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Post by misconduct was wrong on Sept 25, 2015 23:22:01 GMT -5
I wonder.... If worst(best?) case scenario happens and wwe really goes into freefall, do you guys think H would buy NXT and the contracts from Vince and run it independently?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 0:25:18 GMT -5
I wonder.... If worst(best?) case scenario happens and wwe really goes into freefall, do you guys think H would buy NXT and the contracts from Vince and run it independently? Zero chance. More likely the development system and most of the guys there would be gone ASAP since it's a money sink.
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Post by edgehead on Sept 26, 2015 0:30:49 GMT -5
I think lot of people simply feel as if RAW is missable and they can just catch the PPV on the network. So many things use to go down on RAW that I felt like I couldn't miss anything and I didn't want to. Now, you can catch 1 RAW before a PPV and pretty much be caught up.
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Post by Chiral on Sept 26, 2015 0:33:26 GMT -5
Also it's really telling that the house show style booking just does not work for a weekly television program.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 26, 2015 0:39:29 GMT -5
These days, you can read RAW and PPV results on WWE.COM and not miss much.
Individual matches may be good, but in terms of character and storyline development, they make little difference.
Often by the night after a PPV, the reset button has been pressed.
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Post by edgehead on Sept 26, 2015 0:54:46 GMT -5
I also remember when heels were tough guys. Someone needs to tell creative that heel doesn't automatically = must be scared and want to run away from all opponents.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 26, 2015 0:58:33 GMT -5
It's got to the point now where Seth shows fear every time he's booked into a match, as if the mere idea of actually having to wrestle frightens him, despite being a wrestler.
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Post by Perpetual Nirvana on Sept 26, 2015 1:27:47 GMT -5
Reading the dire reaction to Sheamus becoming champion in this thread makes me realise it's about time they got rid of Money in the Bank. More often than not they just use it as an emergency reset button in lieu of an actual push.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 1:29:48 GMT -5
Reading the dire reaction to Sheamus becoming champion in this thread makes me realise it's about time they got rid of Money in the Bank. More often than not they just use it as an emergency reset button in lieu of an actual push. I don't think Money in the Bank is the problem, they just need to always have an idea of what they're going to do with it when it's handed out. They seem to have given it to Sheamus for no reason other than, "Everyone expected Reigns or, before the title match was announced, Ambrose to get it, but we'll show them good!" It made no sense even at the time for him to be the one to win it and now it's just this black cloud hanging over the show of having one boring heel champion right now and basically a guarantee we have another to deal with almost immediately afterward.
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Post by Big Bad Kahuna on Sept 26, 2015 1:58:16 GMT -5
It's got to the point now where Seth shows fear every time he's booked into a match, as if the mere idea of actually having to wrestle frightens him, despite being a wrestler. Seth on last monday's RAW: "Pfffttt, a rematch for his US title tonight? Oh god why? Pfffftttt"
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Post by Dub H on Sept 26, 2015 2:10:34 GMT -5
Reading the dire reaction to Sheamus becoming champion in this thread makes me realise it's about time they got rid of Money in the Bank. More often than not they just use it as an emergency reset button in lieu of an actual push. I don't think Money in the Bank is the problem, they just need to always have an idea of what they're going to do with it when it's handed out. They seem to have given it to Sheamus for no reason other than, "Everyone expected Reigns or, before the title match was announced, Ambrose to get it, but we'll show them good!" It made no sense even at the time for him to be the one to win it and now it's just this black cloud hanging over the show of having one boring heel champion right now and basically a guarantee we have another to deal with almost immediately afterward. Plus,it is sheamus,he is always boring.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 26, 2015 2:11:50 GMT -5
This is why I don't care who the WWE champion is. Whoever it is, they'll either be allied with an evil boss, or fighting against one, and the whole thing will just repeat over and over again. If Vince really wants to shake things up, kill the evil boss role. But he can't. They don't know how to write their shows without one. The longest they went without one was when they had a mute midget booking things via computer. If anything, it was even worse. I am convinced they no longer even know how to book properly. Almost everything is wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2015 2:20:49 GMT -5
I would say overhaul the entire company top to bottom but they have investors and sponsors to anwser to so I expect nothing but the continued short term band aid booking.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Sept 26, 2015 8:29:15 GMT -5
It's got to the point now where Seth shows fear every time he's booked into a match, as if the mere idea of actually having to wrestle frightens him, despite being a wrestler. It's stupid that a guy who possibly (kayfabe) ended Sting's career even after a gruelling match and post-match attack would even be so scared like Seth is.
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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Sept 26, 2015 9:00:34 GMT -5
I don't think it can be stated enough that WWE needs an over top babyface. The Reigns rejection really threw them for a loop I think. Despite obvious signs that he was a year away from being a serious main eventer they threw him into that spot at the Rumble, and it bombed horribly. We're finally seeing the effects of CM Punk quitting and Daniel Bryan being hurt all the time. And that isn't even getting into Cena's generally stale act. The thing is they've had the opportunity for those babyfaces and they don't take them. Ziggler was made after Survivor Series and then dumped on right through the Rumble until now half his then-backers hate him. Ambrose would have been accepted but no. Cesaro was gaining huge momentum over the summer and they're either desperate to bury that or are trying to Daniel Bryan him without actually giving enough of a bone for people to believe it might change. Kevin Owens got Cena'd into the midcard. A few years earlier Ryback was hot and got kept under the glass ceiling, turned heel, and Cena'd. Bray Wyatt was a top heel who was also getting enough of a reaction that he could possibly have been turned and made an anti-hero figure, he got Cena'd. Every time a guy can get to the top, if it's not the one they want they kill it or hold off. Also, Ziggler ain't the future, he's 35. If he was gonna get the ball he should have got it after Survivor Series. Now he's firmly midcard, top end of midcard but still. It'd take a good 6 months to get him up to that level again, by which time he's nearly 36 and been around for a LONG time, how long's he got shelf-life wise then? A year? 2? Ziggler is unfortunately a never-was. And a lot of others look like they'll be the same. Cesaro's coming up to 35, they gotta pull the trigger soon if they want anybody who will last more than 2 years tops (and I know Rock & Austin did 2-3 yrs, but WWE seem to want longer than that these days, or theyd have gone all in on Punk in '11, and gone all in on Bryan sooner).
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Post by cabbageboy on Sept 26, 2015 9:21:50 GMT -5
I'm not really sure Ziggler is a "build the company around him" level babyface. Cesaro much the same way. Excellent wrestler but not anyone I'd build the company around or push as a #1 babyface. Doesn't mean he should be buried either though. Ambrose is a different story. I think he had the potential to be a bigger deal anti hero babyface, but WWE just won't pull the trigger. It's like they're in denial about this Reigns thing. At this point I might even be interested in a different kind of heel champion. Let's say they push Bray Wyatt to the top. At least he isn't the same tedious corporate Authority heel. I like Kevin Owens but he's hardly top babyface material. He might be a good heel champ though.
Some of this could be chalked up to NXT. I said a few months ago that while everyone was pimping NXT I saw no one on that show that felt like a serious top guy on the main roster. NXT pushed guys like Neville and Bo Dallas but does anyone think those guys are remotely serious draws on the main roster? I like Sami Zayn, but he's not likely to be a top star in WWE. Therein lies what will be the ultimate failure of NXT, namely to do what it's supposed to do and create a series of new stars for the main roster. NXT can succeed in signing indie darlings or in being an alternative to WWE, but at the end of the day the name of the game is to make the main roster and succeed, and frankly NXT doesn't really focus on that.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 26, 2015 15:03:49 GMT -5
They only protect two or three guys. No wonder anyone else can't build momentum.
Last week on RAW. Instead of using dedicated jobbers to put over Big Show, they sacrificed Cesaro, a guy who himself should be protected.
In days past, Big Show would have beaten Black Bart, Pistol Pez Whatley and Buddy Rose. Three on one. He would have knocked them all out within five minutes. All three guys would have laid in the ring unconscious while he talked shit about Brock.
Elsewhere on the show, Cesaro would have beaten Jim Powers. No one's image would have been hurt.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Sept 26, 2015 16:31:23 GMT -5
If they don't change soon, I'm going to fly to Greenwich purely for the express purpose of throwing up on Vince's head.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 26, 2015 17:21:55 GMT -5
These days, you can read RAW and PPV results on WWE.COM and not miss much. I stopped watching whole episodes after Punk left, and only caught a couple of minutes here and there up til the Shield broke up. After that, anything I've watched is just the highlights on their Youtube channel or on their website.
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Post by thirteen3 on Sept 26, 2015 17:48:07 GMT -5
Someone brought up (might have been Russo of all people) that the chicken shit heel is the worst character in all wrestling. Why is he even in the wrestling business if he's so afraid of defending his title? It's so stupid.
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