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Post by Starshine on Oct 21, 2015 23:09:55 GMT -5
I not sure there's ever been a more selfish wrestler in WWE history. Everything around him is designed to make him look good usually at everyone else expense, his dumbass wife is exactly the same too.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Oct 21, 2015 23:10:26 GMT -5
Isn't that the original plan for everything now a days?
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Oct 21, 2015 23:13:31 GMT -5
imagine the reactions on here if it happened? People were angry enough when he needlessly pedigreed Kendrick and London and turned them into jobbers in an instant.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Oct 21, 2015 23:22:09 GMT -5
You know things aren't good when Vince McMahon is the voice of reason in a situation.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 21, 2015 23:46:05 GMT -5
imagine the reactions on here if it happened? People were angry enough when he needlessly pedigreed Kendrick and London and turned them into jobbers in an instant. I'm just trying to figure out how the hell people like Austin and Undertaker got away with doing this kind of "Arrive, hit finisher, leave" thing all the time in the Attitude Era, yet Triple H doesn't. Did nobody give a damn because they were just so over? Or does it tie back into the politics thing like every Triple H-related topic does eventually?
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Post by Neo: "The One" who CLAPS on Oct 21, 2015 23:50:10 GMT -5
imagine the reactions on here if it happened? People were angry enough when he needlessly pedigreed Kendrick and London and turned them into jobbers in an instant. I'm just trying to figure out how the hell people like Austin and Undertaker got away with doing this kind of "Arrive, hit finisher, leave" thing all the time in the Attitude Era, yet Triple H doesn't. Did nobody give a damn because they were just so over? Or does it tie back into the politics thing like every Triple H-related topic does eventually? I think it's more because while Austin and Taker usually just attacked those guys, HHH pedigreed London and Kendrick after they had helped him. This incident looked like more of an ego trip than what Austin and Taker did.
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Post by metylerca on Oct 21, 2015 23:58:08 GMT -5
imagine the reactions on here if it happened? People were angry enough when he needlessly pedigreed Kendrick and London and turned them into jobbers in an instant. I'm just trying to figure out how the hell people like Austin and Undertaker got away with doing this kind of "Arrive, hit finisher, leave" thing all the time in the Attitude Era, yet Triple H doesn't. Did nobody give a damn because they were just so over? Or does it tie back into the politics thing like every Triple H-related topic does eventually? I'll cosign, mainly because I find truth in it. It's not hard to point to instances where HHH looked bad as proof of him being a complete dipshit, that's true. But there have been so many worse instances of burial in the history of wrestling, even within the past 20 years, that clinging to HHH nutshotting Barrett, nailing Londrick with Pedigrees and heeling it up against Booker T seems to project more than just the act of calling something unfair. At some point, I lost track of what came first, HHH hate, or HHH doing shitty things, or if one amplified the other. Austin would hit 5 Stunners a week, it'd seem. Kane would come out even then and lay out job guys in red lighting. It might just have been me, but it felt like every mid card guy back then was fed to Undertaker at some point to look weak. I don't even blame Hunter for his position these days, as he was built up as Jesus incarnate because of who he was as a McMahon at a certain point. From that point forward, he just wasn't getting shuffled to the mid card ever again, regardless of his internet ratings. That said, we at least have a scenario for Punk in 2011 that was WORSE than what they ended up going with.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Oct 22, 2015 0:18:03 GMT -5
That said, we at least have a scenario for Punk in 2011 that was WORSE than what they ended up going with. To be fair, I think we'd probably need more context than just the "LOLPEDIGREE" presented. For all we know, it could have led to the best storyline ever, the worst storyline ever or anything in between. (There WAS more context given, wasn't there? Haven't had a chance to hear the clip yet since I'm at work)
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 22, 2015 0:22:23 GMT -5
Say what you want about Vince and he is out of touch. But one thing he understood was how to make his character look bad. He built himself up as the ultimate asshole heel boss, however, when it came time for him to get a taste of his own medicine he never hesitated to humiliate his character.
That's something Hunter and Steph don't understand. They haven't nor will they grasp the act of appearing weak. One segment or one pay per view they'll be depicted as weak, then in the next segment or Raw, they're presented as this badass heel who never loses and everyone should fear them. Vince at least presented himself as pissing in his pants, being beat up in a hospital, having his head shoved into Big Show's ass, stunned numerous times, and the list goes on. Vince had no shame in making his character look bad or weak.
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Post by freeze Austin on Oct 22, 2015 0:44:33 GMT -5
imagine the reactions on here if it happened? People were angry enough when he needlessly pedigreed Kendrick and London and turned them into jobbers in an instant. I'm just trying to figure out how the hell people like Austin and Undertaker got away with doing this kind of "Arrive, hit finisher, leave" thing all the time in the Attitude Era, yet Triple H doesn't. Did nobody give a damn because they were just so over? Or does it tie back into the politics thing like every Triple H-related topic does eventually? You're comparing Triple H to the most iconic Vince/WWE created badass character and the most iconic performer created badass character in wrestling history.
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Post by Starshine on Oct 22, 2015 0:47:02 GMT -5
That said, we at least have a scenario for Punk in 2011 that was WORSE than what they ended up going with. To be fair, I think we'd probably need more context than just the "LOLPEDIGREE" presented. For all we know, it could have led to the best storyline ever, the worst storyline ever or anything in between. (There WAS more context given, wasn't there? Haven't had a chance to hear the clip yet since I'm at work) No it's more than fair. We got the feud with Punk and Trips. It still killed Punk dead, just not as quickly.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 22, 2015 2:01:58 GMT -5
You know how fans, today, resent being told who to react to? The hand-picked "Guy"? Cena, Sheamus, Reigns, etc?
HHH pioneered that. He tried to make himself seem like he's up there with Austin, Rock, Hogan, and Taker. He's not. He wasn't. He's Mankind-level. He's Kane-level. At BEST, he's Daniel Bryan level. Maybe CM Punk level.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Oct 22, 2015 6:07:25 GMT -5
You know how fans, today, resent being told who to react to? The hand-picked "Guy"? Cena, Sheamus, Reigns, etc? HHH pioneered that. He tried to make himself seem like he's up there with Austin, Rock, Hogan, and Taker. He's not. He wasn't. He's Mankind-level. He's Kane-level. At BEST, he's Daniel Bryan level. Maybe CM Punk level. For some reason, people like to imagine that he clawed his way up to the top after a massive depush that would have killed lesser careers when the truth is putting the world title on him was always the plan. He came into the WWF and immediately began a winning streak to establish him, eventually spending time putting over guys on his level like Henry Godwin, the fact HoG was anywhere near the midcard was more of a sign of how how desperate the WWF was for talent at the time, rather than indicating a depush for Triple H, people confuse it with one as he didn't spend much time putting others over for the rest of his career. They then gave him a succession of shiny things to try and get him over, hot valets, the IC title, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, the New Age Outlaws then had Mick Foley working his backside off to make him look like a beast. The worst thing that happened to Hunter was not winning the King of the Ring and having to wait his turn for a main event spot behind much more over talent like Austin, Vince and Rock, that poor, poor soul. Hunter was every bit as hand picked as Sheamus and Reigns, the difference is that the WWF were in such dire straights they had no option to listen to the fans and bump other talent ahead of him in the pecking order so his promotion to main event status stalled until he could ride their coattails. When the giants whose shoulders he stood upon had all left, he made damn sure that no-one got to where he is until he was left with no choice.
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Post by MrElijah on Oct 22, 2015 7:14:55 GMT -5
What is this guy's deal? Has there ever been someone more out to blatantly bury people than Triple H? Vince during The Invasion perhaps. Mil Mascaras?
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Post by JCBaggee on Oct 22, 2015 8:52:51 GMT -5
I imagine this would have basically been the Bryan vs The Authority storyline, but with Punk and Trips.
And without the catalyst Bryan had (Punk leaving, causing the jaded fans to become more vocal) it just ends with Triple H vs Orton at Wrestlemania.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Oct 22, 2015 9:49:16 GMT -5
Say what you want about Vince and he is out of touch. But one thing he understood was how to make his character look bad. He built himself up as the ultimate asshole heel boss, however, when it came time for him to get a taste of his own medicine he never hesitated to humiliate his character. That's something Hunter and Steph don't understand. They haven't nor will they grasp the act of appearing weak. One segment or one pay per view they'll be depicted as weak, then in the next segment or Raw, they're presented as this badass heel who never loses and everyone should fear them. Vince at least presented himself as pissing in his pants, being beat up in a hospital, having his head shoved into Big Show's ass, stunned numerous times, and the list goes on. Vince had no shame in making his character look bad or weak. And as I said, Hunter, I'm sure got that from his heroes Flair and the Horsemen. Dusty never definitely trounced them. Ditto for Luger. Sting fended them off, but with the help of Robocop, a fictional movie character.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 22, 2015 15:03:43 GMT -5
And there are STILL people that insist that he doesn't have an ego problem.
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Post by andrew8798 on Oct 22, 2015 15:07:30 GMT -5
That's why people say be careful what you wish for
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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 22, 2015 15:15:52 GMT -5
HHH is fine behind the scenes.
As an on-screen performer, he's terrible, because as has already been correctly pointed out, both HHH and his equally insecure wife don't grasp the concept of allowing faces to prevail.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 22, 2015 15:21:26 GMT -5
You know how fans, today, resent being told who to react to? The hand-picked "Guy"? Cena, Sheamus, Reigns, etc? HHH pioneered that. He tried to make himself seem like he's up there with Austin, Rock, Hogan, and Taker. He's not. He wasn't. He's Mankind-level. He's Kane-level. At BEST, he's Daniel Bryan level. Maybe CM Punk level. I wouldn't even call him Mankind level. Foley was more popular in the Attitude Era than Triple H ever has been.
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