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Post by Hit Girl on Oct 22, 2015 15:26:19 GMT -5
HHH is the biggest mark wrestling has ever known. Stephanie is second biggest.
These two idiots genuinely think they have to be the toughest, smartest people in the company at all times, no matter how detrimental it is to booking.
Compare that to Vince who was willing to do anything to allow himself to look like a villain getting comeuppance. This is a billionaire willing to piss his pants in the middle of the ring to show how frightened he was.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 22, 2015 15:38:16 GMT -5
And there are STILL people that insist that he doesn't have an ego problem. I don't personally think HHH has an ego problem since I not only don't know him on any level, but there's so much hyperbole and gossip regarding him that I wouldn't know what's even mildly true from what's pure bullshit. Sure, you can point to HHH's continued involvement in storylines or previous occasions where he's done things that seem egotistical, but nobody really knows the reasoning behind those decisions aside from HHH, Vince, and probably Stephanie. I'm not saying that it would surprise me to know that HHH has an ego since most people in wrestling probably do, but in all honesty, why does that even matter? As for the idea itself, it kinda sounds like they were going for a "SummerSlam 2013 heel turn" kind of thing, which actually would've made HHH/Punk make more sense if HHH was the heel in the whole thing.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Oct 22, 2015 15:49:27 GMT -5
And there are STILL people that insist that he doesn't have an ego problem. I don't personally think HHH has an ego problem since I not only don't know him on any level, but there's so much hyperbole and gossip regarding him that I wouldn't know what's even mildly true from what's pure bullshit. Sure, you can point to HHH's continued involvement in storylines or previous occasions where he's done things that seem egotistical, but nobody really knows the reasoning behind those decisions aside from HHH, Vince, and probably Stephanie. I'm not saying that it would surprise me to know that HHH has an ego since most people in wrestling probably do, but in all honesty, why does that even matter? As for the idea itself, it kinda sounds like they were going for a "SummerSlam 2013 heel turn" kind of thing, which actually would've made HHH/Punk make more sense if HHH was the heel in the whole thing. Here's the thing though. You have had a lot of wrestlers who had successful careers speak openly about how insecure, manipulative, and in general how no one save for Shawn, Batista, and a host of his other friends along with WWE revisionist history don't have anything good to say about him. Bret, Bam Bam(RIP), Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Jeff Hardy, Punk, Road Warriors, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, and many others. So at some point you'd have to think "Maybe there is some truth to this?" Most of the people who have had issues with him had great careers in the business. I'd really like to know what Taker thinks about him.
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Post by Big Poppa Pumpkin on Oct 22, 2015 15:57:56 GMT -5
Trips may be an egomaniac but saying he was barely Kane/Mankind level is just as revisionist as saying 'HHH was as big a star as The Rock and Austin!'. The truth, I think, is somewhere in between.
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Post by xCompackx on Oct 22, 2015 16:01:41 GMT -5
I don't personally think HHH has an ego problem since I not only don't know him on any level, but there's so much hyperbole and gossip regarding him that I wouldn't know what's even mildly true from what's pure bullshit. Sure, you can point to HHH's continued involvement in storylines or previous occasions where he's done things that seem egotistical, but nobody really knows the reasoning behind those decisions aside from HHH, Vince, and probably Stephanie. I'm not saying that it would surprise me to know that HHH has an ego since most people in wrestling probably do, but in all honesty, why does that even matter? As for the idea itself, it kinda sounds like they were going for a "SummerSlam 2013 heel turn" kind of thing, which actually would've made HHH/Punk make more sense if HHH was the heel in the whole thing. Here's the thing though. You have had a lot of wrestlers who had successful careers speak openly about how insecure, manipulative, and in general how no one save for Shawn, Batista, and a host of his other friends along with WWE revisionist history don't have anything good to say about him. Bret, Bam Bam(RIP), Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Jeff Hardy, Punk, Road Warriors, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, and many others. So at some point you'd have to think "Maybe there is some truth to this?" Most of the people who have had issues with him had great careers in the business. I'd really like to know what Taker thinks about him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that HHH is a popular or likable guy and I'm sure that plenty of guys have had problems with him over the years. I'm just saying that there's no concrete proof that HHH is actively trying to "bury" anyone and also, he's had a hand in bringing a lot of these guys back to WWE.
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Post by The Beast Disincarnate on Oct 22, 2015 18:16:34 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that HHH is a popular or likable guy and I'm sure that plenty of guys have had problems with him over the years. I'm just saying that there's no concrete proof that HHH is actively trying to "bury" anyone and also, he's had a hand in bringing a lot of these guys back to WWE. But do you have a reinforced steel concrete proof that Hunter DID NOT actively try to bury people? No? HA!
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Post by mizerable on Oct 22, 2015 20:25:45 GMT -5
Trips may be an egomaniac but saying he was barely Kane/Mankind level is just as revisionist as saying 'HHH was as big a star as The Rock and Austin!'. The truth, I think, is somewhere in between. If you're counting post Invasion, you may be correct. However at the core of their most watched, this is how I would rank the 6 guys who I consider the most influential for WWF from 1997 to 2001. Austin Rock Undertaker Foley Kane Triple H I don't generally rank guys like Michaels, Jericho or Angle since they were mostly not there during the core of the 'Wars.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 20:31:52 GMT -5
Trips may be an egomaniac but saying he was barely Kane/Mankind level is just as revisionist as saying 'HHH was as big a star as The Rock and Austin!'. The truth, I think, is somewhere in between. This is how I would list the Attitude Era guys in terms of popularity from a casual's perspective: Steve Austin, The Rock The Undertaker, Mankind Kane, Triple H, Big Show, Chyna Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Road Dogg
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 21:00:53 GMT -5
Trips may be an egomaniac but saying he was barely Kane/Mankind level is just as revisionist as saying 'HHH was as big a star as The Rock and Austin!'. The truth, I think, is somewhere in between. If you're counting post Invasion, you may be correct. However at the core of their most watched, this is how I would rank the 6 guys who I consider the most influential for WWF from 1997 to 2001. Austin Rock Undertaker Foley Kane Triple H I don't generally rank guys like Michaels, Jericho or Angle since they were mostly not there during the core of the 'Wars. Triple H and Kane is a toss-up, but he was definitely below Mick Foley. Though I'm sure he'd never, ever admit that, even to himself.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 22, 2015 21:30:53 GMT -5
Here's the thing though. You have had a lot of wrestlers who had successful careers speak openly about how insecure, manipulative, and in general how no one save for Shawn, Batista, and a host of his other friends along with WWE revisionist history don't have anything good to say about him. Bret, Bam Bam(RIP), Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Jeff Hardy, Punk, Road Warriors, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, and many others. So at some point you'd have to think "Maybe there is some truth to this?" Most of the people who have had issues with him had great careers in the business. I'd really like to know what Taker thinks about him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that HHH is a popular or likable guy and I'm sure that plenty of guys have had problems with him over the years. I'm just saying that there's no concrete proof that HHH is actively trying to "bury" anyone and also, he's had a hand in bringing a lot of these guys back to WWE. The thing is, at what point do you stop looking the other way for the guy? I'm not saying every story about him is true, but when there's a whole laundry list of dirt on the guy, as well as the way he presents himself both on and off screen, I think it's more than okay to consider him insecure. If I was a fan of the guy I could plainly sense it. We can only say "but what REAL proof do you have??" for so long here.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Oct 22, 2015 21:35:21 GMT -5
Trips may be an egomaniac but saying he was barely Kane/Mankind level is just as revisionist as saying 'HHH was as big a star as The Rock and Austin!'. The truth, I think, is somewhere in between. This is how I would list the Attitude Era guys in terms of popularity from a casual's perspective: Steve Austin, The Rock The Undertaker, Mankind Kane, Triple H, Big Show, Chyna Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Road Dogg Off topic, but it's so weird that a guy in Road Dogg's position(upper mid-carder at best) could be considered in the list with the rest of those guys, but yeah, he absolutely fits in there. His reactions were off the charts back then. Just shows how far the prestige of teh mid-card has fallen.
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Post by mizerable on Oct 22, 2015 22:55:04 GMT -5
Trips may be an egomaniac but saying he was barely Kane/Mankind level is just as revisionist as saying 'HHH was as big a star as The Rock and Austin!'. The truth, I think, is somewhere in between. This is how I would list the Attitude Era guys in terms of popularity from a casual's perspective: Steve Austin, The Rock The Undertaker, Mankind Kane, Triple H, Big Show, Chyna Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Road Dogg I'm a huge Angle fan, but by no means was he getting amazing reactions until probably 2001. In the long run, Angle was getting far bigger reactions consistently in the following years, but it was long after the departure of guys like Austin and Rock.
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Post by J is Justice on Oct 23, 2015 0:30:45 GMT -5
This is how I would list the Attitude Era guys in terms of popularity from a casual's perspective: Steve Austin, The Rock The Undertaker, Mankind Kane, Triple H, Big Show, Chyna Chris Jericho, Kurt Angle, Road Dogg Off topic, but it's so weird that a guy in Road Dogg's position(upper mid-carder at best) could be considered in the list with the rest of those guys, but yeah, he absolutely fits in there. His reactions were off the charts back then. Just shows how far the prestige of teh mid-card has fallen. I'd have Godfather on there, personally.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Oct 23, 2015 1:21:59 GMT -5
Here's the thing though. You have had a lot of wrestlers who had successful careers speak openly about how insecure, manipulative, and in general how no one save for Shawn, Batista, and a host of his other friends along with WWE revisionist history don't have anything good to say about him. Bret, Bam Bam(RIP), Rob Van Dam, Booker T, Jeff Hardy, Punk, Road Warriors, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, and many others. So at some point you'd have to think "Maybe there is some truth to this?" Most of the people who have had issues with him had great careers in the business. I'd really like to know what Taker thinks about him. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say that HHH is a popular or likable guy and I'm sure that plenty of guys have had problems with him over the years. I'm just saying that there's no concrete proof that HHH is actively trying to "bury" anyone and also, he's had a hand in bringing a lot of these guys back to WWE. Sometimes what you see on television is all the concrete proof you need. He's made so many guys who were white-hot over look bad, and it didn't start happening until after he was with Stephanie. It's not coincidental.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Oct 23, 2015 2:30:05 GMT -5
HHH's extended program with the Undertaker is what pretty much cemented my dislike of the character and anybody with a hand in writing for him.
He was put on the shelf by Sheamus a few months earlier and made his return by upstaging the Undertaker. It was as if to say "Wow. If the crowd is hot for the Undertaker, just imagine how much hotter they'll get when MY music hits." Which is ludicrous to begin with, but moreso when you figure that, for that to make sense, HHH must have been backstage for a bunch of shows and only chose to come back when he saw Taker pass him backstage.
The guy who put HHH on the shelf, Sheamus, got dispatched in some random segment. Not even a match.
HHH lost the match to the Undertaker, but in a way that saw him leave the ring under his own power, while Taker had to be carried out. He gave a promo afterward saying, basically that "Taker got the victory, but I really won. And besides, it's no big deal. Taker's beaten me before. Hell, Taker's beaten me at Wrestlemania before. So, hey, what're you gonna do. But if you want another shot, Taker, I'll be waiting."
John Cena doesn't brush off losses that easily, and it's one of the things fans hate MOST about him.
For the rematch, they played it up like Taker was losing his mind trying to get HHH to agree to a rematch (HHH, if you'll recall, LOST the match. Usually the winner of a match doesn't try to get redemption of the loser) and, in the course of the match, HHH tried to outright murder the Undertaker with a sledgehammer. Taker showed HHH respect a few minutes later.
You'll recognize a similar thing happened with Sting a few years later, only with the LOSER respecting the victor.
Contrast that to CM Punk, whose loss to the Undertaker broke him so much that Cap'n Pipe Bomb couldn't even get the words out and left the company for awhile to get his head back on straight.
He poured ice water on CM Punk the SECOND it looked like Punk may wind up being the next break-out star the company needed for so long. And did so in a way that got himself and his friends some nice PPV checks. And it looked like he was on the verge of doing the same to Daniel Bryan.
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