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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Nov 18, 2016 14:53:12 GMT -5
I get that WAR is a debated stat, but logically, wouldn't the player who added the most wins to their team be the most valuable?
The guy being top 2 or 1 in MVP votes in his first 5 years is insane.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2016 15:05:58 GMT -5
What are the odds that by the end of his career, Trout is thought of as the greatest ball player of all time
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Post by "Evil Brood" Jackson Vanik on Nov 18, 2016 15:14:14 GMT -5
I do not think it is very logical to associate the number of wins a team has with a player's value. Even if you disagree with how WAR is calculated - the concept of it makes sense here. We should think of value as how good would the team be if you substituted the player in question with an average player. Looking at the total wins does not tell you much about the individual player. So yes - the Angels did much worse than the Red Sox. And I love Mookie and hoped he would win - but it is very justifiable to say that the Angels won more games due to Trout than the Red Sox won due to Mookie which I think is the true measure of value.
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Post by deltarich on Nov 18, 2016 16:14:33 GMT -5
He's the most valuable player. The rest of the team is immaterial. There is nobody on Trout's level in MLB. He should have five MVPs at this point. Mookie Betts beat Trout in most statistical categories and the ones he didn't, he was right below him. And again, he did so while being a monster part of the reason the Sox made the playoffs. By that criteria, he's the MVP because we're talking *valuable* not "best" What statistical categories are you picking and choosing from because I can list as many/more that Trout beat Betts in. Don't forget about park effects, either. Betts benefited greatly from his park Red Sox scored 878 runs and Betts scored 122 of them Angels scored just 717 runs and Trout accounted for 123 of them Dude brought way more value overall as a hitter than Betts did in total. Both were excellently rated base runners. Betts was a better defender than Trout, but did so at a less valuable defensive position
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Post by deltarich on Nov 18, 2016 16:23:35 GMT -5
What are the odds that by the end of his career, Trout is thought of as the greatest ball player of all time Not very high IMO. Numbers were more ridiculous back when the game was in its infancy but it's still hard to see anybody surpassing the dominance that Ruth displayed during his era. Bonds was the only one to come closest to that, and well, we know how the latter part of his career is remembered
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Post by andrew8798 on Nov 19, 2016 21:51:52 GMT -5
According to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, for the Padres to trade Wil Myers they would have to be "blown away" by an offer.
According to MLB.com's Bryan Hoch, the Yankees "maintain serious interest" in re-signing free agent reliever Aroldis Chapman.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2016 23:03:22 GMT -5
According to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, for the Padres to trade Wil Myers they would have to be "blown away" by an offer. According to MLB.com's Bryan Hoch, the Yankees "maintain serious interest" in re-signing free agent reliever Aroldis Chapman. Just wait until May when the Pads are already 12 games back and Wil is 0-6 with an ERA over 8. By then, they'll take a hot dog salesman and a janitor for Myers.
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Post by S-Chrome on Nov 20, 2016 10:39:22 GMT -5
According to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, for the Padres to trade Wil Myers they would have to be "blown away" by an offer. According to MLB.com's Bryan Hoch, the Yankees "maintain serious interest" in re-signing free agent reliever Aroldis Chapman. Just wait until May when the Pads are already 12 games back and Wil is 0-6 with an ERA over 8. By then, they'll take a hot dog salesman and a janitor for Myers. Myers is a 1B/OF.
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Post by BRV on Nov 20, 2016 11:56:58 GMT -5
Honestly, MVP is basically "Best Player in Baseball" anymore. I feel like that's the direction we're trending in, that the MVP award will just be automatically handed to whoever finishes with the highest WAR, and that's not a good thing. I liked how there used to be some variations on the definition of "valuable," between whether it meant "best overall player" or "player most important to his team's success." But now, we're just settling on "Oh, well he has a WAR over 10, while the guy behind him had a WAR of 9.2, so he's the MVP," without looking at anything beyond that. Just wait until May when the Pads are already 12 games back and Wil is 0-6 with an ERA over 8. By then, they'll take a hot dog salesman and a janitor for Myers. Myers is a 1B/OF. Yeah, but have you seen the Padres' roster? Myers is probably their second or third best pitching option, too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2016 13:39:41 GMT -5
Just wait until May when the Pads are already 12 games back and Wil is 0-6 with an ERA over 8. By then, they'll take a hot dog salesman and a janitor for Myers. Myers is a 1B/OF. LOL oops, could have sworn he pitched. Like that matters to SD.
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Post by sfvega on Nov 21, 2016 7:23:38 GMT -5
According to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, for the Padres to trade Wil Myers they would have to be "blown away" by an offer. According to MLB.com's Bryan Hoch, the Yankees "maintain serious interest" in re-signing free agent reliever Aroldis Chapman. If I'm a team with a loaded farm system, why not blow them away? He's not a FA until 2020, and you know the Pads aren't looking like contenders anytime soon. Especially if I'm a team with a hole at 1B like Philly, Houston (though I wouldn't give up on Reed just yet), or Texas. Myers had a huge year last year in the more habitable but still not great Petco. And he was a top prospect. He passes the eye test.
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Post by Renslayer on Nov 22, 2016 23:31:27 GMT -5
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Nov 23, 2016 12:46:02 GMT -5
RIP Ralph Branca
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 23, 2016 12:46:55 GMT -5
I get that WAR is a debated stat, but logically, wouldn't the player who added the most wins to their team be the most valuable? The guy being top 2 or 1 in MVP votes in his first 5 years is insane. Yeah, WAR is useful but is susceptible to wild swings on a year-by-year basis (it's a better cumulative stat for a career or a multi-year period). Plus there's fWAR, an improvement which takes it even further by doing a better job adjusting for positional differences and park factors and Trout is a beast in that, as well, sitting at a ridiculous 9.4 while Betts is at 7.8, comparable with Josh Donaldson and Corey Seager. Trout is simply on another planet compared to every other player in baseball for about the last decade. EDIT: If the owners try a lockout, I'm probably going to cancel my ticket plan for whenever they re-open. EDIT again: Branca gone? Aw man.
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Post by Duke Cameron on Nov 23, 2016 23:12:27 GMT -5
DBacks acquire Taijuan Walker and Ketel Marte from the Mariners for Jean Segura, Mitch Haniger and Zac Curtis.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Nov 28, 2016 13:00:22 GMT -5
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Post by domrep on Nov 28, 2016 14:16:53 GMT -5
Kinda weird that the Nats are in on Sale...the last thing we need is more pitching and we'd have to part with Trea Turner? The hell with that...
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Post by Perd on Nov 29, 2016 14:21:21 GMT -5
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 29, 2016 15:08:58 GMT -5
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Nov 29, 2016 16:31:07 GMT -5
Four years and $110M is excellent value for the Mets.
I'm surprised Cespedes didn't command more.
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