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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Nov 22, 2015 23:28:19 GMT -5
They literally did the same thing like when Bryan beat Cena. HHH out with the new winner, confetti, opportunistic heel strikes and gains HHH's approval.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 23:30:46 GMT -5
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. They tried to get him sympathy, complain that they try to Daniel Bryan him. Roman wins a hard fought battle, complain that they had to make him look strong. Well, I mean, if you want to get sympathy, should have had Ambrose turn on him. Having him get beaten by a jobber no one responds to in a virtually identical way to how the Authority thing started was never going to go over well.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Nov 22, 2015 23:34:25 GMT -5
Damned if you do, damned if you don't. They tried to get him sympathy, complain that they try to Daniel Bryan him. Roman wins a hard fought battle, complain that they had to make him look strong. Well, I mean, if you want to get sympathy, should have had Ambrose turn on him. Having him get beaten by a jobber no one responds to in a virtually identical way to how the Authority thing started was never going to go over well. But, if someone who the crowd prefers over the other, turns heel on that person, do you really expect them to get sympathy? No. It'd be like Rock/Austin from WM X-7. Crowd firmly behind Austin, but Austin turns heel, but the crowd gives 0 f***s because they like Austin too much. They should've treated Sheamus like more of a threat leading up to the cash in.
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Post by CuJ0 Will Keep Dancing on Nov 22, 2015 23:34:27 GMT -5
I keep bringing it up but I will again. Roman is closer to Batista because he is a serviceable face. People initially like just for the fact that he wins a lot and is a big handsome smashy guy. But soon you realize both have zero relatable qualities and once Roman goes heel he will shine just like Batista did. Although we will have to endure months maybe years of mundane "big dawg" Roman Reigns bullshit before that may even be an option.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 22, 2015 23:36:13 GMT -5
Roman Reigns - Huge guy with pretty much rockstar good looks. Part of a wrestling family with arguably MORE legacy than the McMahons. By all accounts, been made to look "really, really strong".
Daniel Bryan - Scrawny guy frequently compared to a mountain goat. No prior legacy. Fantastic Indy wrestler for 10 years before signing with WWE, pulled up entirely by fan popularity.
Do they SERIOUSLY think these are even comparable?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2015 23:39:02 GMT -5
Sad thing about Roman's entire singles career is if he turned heel this time last year then he'd probably be one of the most popular guys in the company. All of these fabricated angles they're doing, just isn't working out for him.
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Post by RIHT on Nov 22, 2015 23:44:26 GMT -5
It worked with Bryan because it capped off an amazing and unpredictable show, Bryan naturally works in the "chaser" role, and people desperately wanted HHH and Orton to turn for years. Plus, even if Orton didn't cash in that night, Bryan winning was an amazing finish on its own. Reigns vs. Ambrose felt like they skipped the first 10 minutes of the match, and we got the predictable Reigns vs. Authority schpeel, along with Sheamus cashing in and winning the title after he got shunned for squealing "LET'S GET JIGGY WITH IT!" earlier in the show.
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Post by Perd on Nov 22, 2015 23:44:57 GMT -5
They're simply waiting for, or trying to manufacture, a moment that's never going to come. There'snever going to be this moment where an entire arena erupts in joy at Roman's annointment. The fan that knows (at least somewhat) what's happening behind the scenes, is never going to forget tha Roman is the chosen one. And WWE exacerbated the problem by being ham-handed every step of the way. And as long as there someone they like better, they're gong to boo him. It's a bed they made, they should just close their eyes and sleep in it.
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Post by willywonka666 on Nov 22, 2015 23:47:13 GMT -5
I'm no booker, but I'd just follow the fans-or at least take their natural reactions and feelings into account
I hate him, and maybe it would have been too soon, but I would have nominated Owens to have won tonight
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Post by El Cokehead del Knife Fight on Nov 23, 2015 0:09:08 GMT -5
Seriously, rewatch the hype video for Bryan vs Trips. I still get goosebumps because it was a story that came together perfectly.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 23, 2015 0:12:09 GMT -5
Now people are going to start saying Roman turning won't work. And that's wrong. That's not an opinion, it's a fact based on the evidence of WWE history.
If Roman turned heel, he'd get over as a babyface upon his turn back. It worked for Savage, Michaels, Rock, Austin, Cena, Punk and Bryan. Don't try and tell me it wouldn't work for Roman, because that's delusional.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:14:12 GMT -5
Roman turning makes so much sense and it would work but the problem is Vince just doesn't want to do it. Watch, in the history books or Roman's future documentary when this portion comes into play the company will act like they knew it would happen. If that's the case they're just idiots.
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Nov 23, 2015 0:40:10 GMT -5
It was booking suicide when they did it with Bryan. Why would they do this again and with someone the fans are not connected with? Nothing at WWE booking makes any sense anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 0:48:01 GMT -5
The heel turn would have worked so well at the end of the Roman/Ambrose match too.
Ambrose wouldn't need to floor him with a finisher, just suddenly beat him with a small package or something. Then Roman starts to congratulate Ambrose but he finally snaps after getting so close to the title one too many times.
This leads to him giving Ambrose a really serious beating. Have him start beating an unconscious Ambrose with a chair until a bunch of people come out and have to pull him off, then take Ambrose away on a stretcher. It would be a very believable heel turn that might actually get a heel some boos for once.
Best of all it'd be something different, something not completely obvious. You'd be interested to see what was going to happen next.
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Post by StormanReigns on Nov 23, 2015 0:50:22 GMT -5
Considering the fact a bunch of people are agreeing with me... am I really?
I'm only stating what I saw and the parallels to it. And to me, it's almost an exact clone without any of the emotion and I'll stick to that.
Alright. Whatever works for you It is the exact same finish, almost to a tee. They even gave him the pyro first JUST like D-BRY. Any time something repeats itself in wrestling, it is almost never by accident.
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Post by StormanReigns on Nov 23, 2015 0:57:36 GMT -5
Roman Reigns - Huge guy with pretty much rockstar good looks. Part of a wrestling family with arguably MORE legacy than the McMahons. By all accounts, been made to look "really, really strong". Daniel Bryan - Scrawny guy frequently compared to a mountain goat. No prior legacy. Fantastic Indy wrestler for 10 years before signing with WWE, pulled up entirely by fan popularity. Do they SERIOUSLY think these are even comparable? NO ONE IS COMPARING THEM AS WRESTLERS. They are comparing the story line. The very structured story line. 1. He wins the WWE title in the main event 2. He gets pyro and confetti 3. He celebrates 4. Triple H shakes his hand 5. Someone cashes in after the pyro and confetti after are finished. 6. Guy who cashes in wins 7. Guy then shakes Triple H's hand and hugs him 8. PPV goes off the air as the former champion looks deviated, with commentators being dead silent Yup, not comparable at all. Those are just 8 giant coincidences, and totally not the same story structure.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Nov 23, 2015 1:20:44 GMT -5
Roman Reigns - Huge guy with pretty much rockstar good looks. Part of a wrestling family with arguably MORE legacy than the McMahons. By all accounts, been made to look "really, really strong". Daniel Bryan - Scrawny guy frequently compared to a mountain goat. No prior legacy. Fantastic Indy wrestler for 10 years before signing with WWE, pulled up entirely by fan popularity. Do they SERIOUSLY think these are even comparable? NO ONE IS COMPARING THEM AS WRESTLERS. They are comparing the story line. The very structured story line. 1. He wins the WWE title in the main event 2. He gets pyro and confetti 3. He celebrates 4. Triple H shakes his hand 5. Someone cashes in after the pyro and confetti after are finished. 6. Guy who cashes in wins 7. Guy then shakes Triple H's hand and hugs him 8. PPV goes off the air as the former champion looks deviated, with commentators being dead silent Yup, not comparable at all. Those are just 8 giant coincidences, and totally not the same story structure. Wrong point. My point was how different they are, and how different the crowd reacts from a chosen one and an underdog in the exact same situation
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Post by Mid-Carder on Nov 23, 2015 1:47:45 GMT -5
Once again, WWE fails to understand both why people loved Bryan and why Roman isn't connecting like they want. But yeah, continue to force it, that's worked well in the past.
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Post by spagett on Nov 23, 2015 5:48:45 GMT -5
Maybe when this attempt to get Reigns over as a face doesn't work they can try other historical booking plans?
Maybe have Reigns pass out in the Sharpshooter at Mania covered in blood?
Or maybe he could stop Jake the Snake hitting a diva with a chair backstage?
They've got like 50 years of stuff to choose from!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 5:54:15 GMT -5
Maybe when this attempt to get Reigns over as a face doesn't work they can try other historical booking plans? Maybe have Reigns pass out in the Sharpshooter at Mania covered in blood? Or maybe he could stop Jake the Snake hitting a diva with a chair backstage? They've got like 50 years of stuff to choose from!! Honestly with how committed they've been to this forced push, I wouldn't be surprised if the next month worth of Raws consists of... Week 1 - Start of the show Big Cass debuts and rips his crucifix off, end of the show Reigns slams him. Week 2 - Reigns has a hard-fought match with Triple H where he keeps being screwed over until Austin comes out and helps him turn the tide and win. Week 3 - Reigns beats Owens in a matter of seconds to win the Intercontinental title. Week 4 - Reigns spends the whole night watching Sheamus from the rafters while holding a baseball bat.
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