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Post by brody on Mar 24, 2016 10:43:16 GMT -5
Felt sorry for some of the jurors that had been there so long going crazy, only to have others delay things further. Next week is the Fuhrman tapes. It all ends for the Prosecution. So the final episode will be an epilogue with the verdict next week? The last ep is flat out called "The verdict" I believe Next week is the Fuhrman mess
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Post by StuntGranny® on Mar 24, 2016 11:02:57 GMT -5
This show has somehow made me hate Johnny Cochran more than OJ.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 24, 2016 19:23:51 GMT -5
The fact this murder case happened just a few years after the LA riots gave Johnnie Cochran all he needed to play to the black jurors and get the not guilty verdict. There was so much hostility and scepticism towards the LAPD back then, that nothing short of videotape of OJ actually killing the victims would have resulted in a conviction. Once those Furhman tapes came out, it was easy for Cochran to just tell the jury "see? same old LAPD...can you trust them?" and that was it.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 24, 2016 23:48:58 GMT -5
Cochran might be a bit of a jerk at times, but I find Vance's portrayal of him charming and fun to watch even at his worst. It's Marcia Clark I hate in this show.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 25, 2016 0:27:09 GMT -5
If Marcia Clark comes across as unlikable, that's a good sign, because she was that way in real life.
She should have spent most of her arguments debunking the frame up theory, simplifying the DNA evidence, and emphasising OJ's wifebeating, but she didn't bother. She would often forget dates and times. She was hideously unprepared. Nicole Brown's sister once said she visited Marcia Clark in her office and Clark had pictures of Nicole's slashed throat laying all over the place, without any consideration for how her sister might be traumatised by seeing them.
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Post by salz4life on Mar 25, 2016 17:48:06 GMT -5
Sarah Paulsen is playing her SO WELL!!! She is brilliant in this.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Mar 29, 2016 22:06:56 GMT -5
Good 'ol Mark Fuhrman.
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Post by Perd on Mar 29, 2016 22:14:52 GMT -5
That was probably the best episode yet. Just a fantastic piece of television.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 23:26:57 GMT -5
Actual footage of the prosecution team's strategy
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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 29, 2016 23:35:08 GMT -5
I was ticked they ended on Clark getting full custody of her children. Nothing show with her husband suggested that he didn't deserve joint custody. Now maybe there's more to her divorce, maybe her husband was shady as all heck but as far as this show's interpretation is concerned I'm not on her side. Other than the tabloids mocking her appearance (which was total horsecrap) I have no sympathy for her.
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Post by Society of the Spectacle on Mar 30, 2016 3:09:05 GMT -5
I had no intention of watching this, but my girlfriend roped me in, and I have been pleasantly surprised.
Vance and Paulsen should get heavy consideration during award time. Sterling Brown and Laine have been solid too. I know Cuba, Schwimmer, and Travolta aren't as lauded for their performances, but I really do enjoy them just as much (especially Travolta with his "I constantly smell flatulence" facial expressions) just because of how hammy it all is. I don't think it's a thoroughly accurate portrayal of some of the events, as I've heard that a lot of the meetings portrayed in the jail simply didn't happen like that....and yet it doesn't matter, it's captivating television.
Paulsen's portrayal of Clark is very nuanced in the fact that she's at turns arrogant and sympathetic ( I can't imagine trying to be a mother while also being a prosecutor on the case of the century), and Paulsen shows her strengths just as much as her flaws. You get the feeling that Clark really wanted to take OJ down (maybe for her womanhood, maybe for the credibility of her department, for the family of the deceased), but just lost it in the pressure cooker. She clearly has a healthy ego, but the fact she made it through that trial with all that scrutiny is pretty admirable as well. I can only imagine how stressful it is to be a high profile lawyer.
I think Ito's portrayal is a little unsung, but I do find it bewildering that a judge would be allowed to say some of the things he said thus far.I remember as a kid him being made fun of quite a bit on the late night circuit— I remember the dancing Itos—but the series paints an interesting picture of him.
The series as a whole does have those half-way cringey moments: OJ's football metaphors, the Kardashian kid inclusions, the "hey remember the 90's?" moments, etc, but also balances it with great storytelling. I mean we all know what happened with OJ trying on the glove, but that whole sequence was brilliant and really made you feel the prosecution's dread when they saw their big grandstand moment crumble before their eyes. I think the way they handle the race element is a little too meta for its own good at times, with the way that Shapiro's initial declaration to the New Yorker reporter that the defense case would be focused on race, "because this is about race" is the same way that the show itself is about race. For example, the way that the jurors argue over watching Martin or Seinfeld, or the frequent allusions to the Rodney King beating/riots and the cop from Simi Valley, or even the portrayal of Darden's suspicions about his selection for the case being tied to his skin color....Again, I don't know if these racial connections are as slick as the show makes it seem, but again, the storyline and its twists and turns is just so goddamn compelling that you just don't care.
Finally, I like how so far the producers have taken great care to resist taking a side, guilty or innocent. Each side has had their strong arguments and their trainwrecks, just like an actual court case. And truthfully, for the purpose of the story, it doesn't even matter if OJ did or did not do it, the focus is solely on the circus this whole case was, and how the ending we already know in advance....played out.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 30, 2016 16:18:34 GMT -5
I don't think I've heard a better description of Travolta's Robert Shapiro than "constantly smells flatulence facial expression".
If the last couple of weeks have been all about Sarah Paulson and Courtney B. Vance, this week was all Sterling K. Brown. His performances in the elevator scene and in the courtroom going back and forth with Ito and Cochran were anywhere as Emmy Award-worthy as any of Paulson and Vance's. You could really feel the weight of the case bearing down on him, his regret about the glove thing, and his indignation at nobody listening to him about Fuhrman.
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Post by BRV on Mar 30, 2016 19:50:36 GMT -5
What I find most fascinating in the show is how it portrays the Dream Team.
You have Robert Kardashian, a lifelong friend of O.J. Simpson, so conflicted at the fact that it appears for all the world that the man who likely murdered a family friend is going to walk away clean and innocent. It's been a great bit of acting by David Schwimmer, in how torn he looks whenever he's talking to Simpson or even discussing Simpson, trying to balance this hero and friend with a man who may have ruthlessly killed two people.
You have Robert Shapiro, who came into the case gung-ho about Simpson being found not guilty but is so perturbed at the way his power has been stripped from him that all he cares about now is looking better than Johnnie Cochran in the public eye.
And then you have Johnnie Cochran, the definition of the sleazy, slimy criminal defense attorney. Courtney B. Vance has played Cochran immaculately, bringing back all of the reasons you despised him back in the 1990s. He doesn't care if Simpson killed Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman, hell, he doesn't care who did, all he cares about is getting a win for his court record and another notch in his belt as a celebrity attorney. The way Vance is portraying him, you almost feel like Cochran was the exact same way about his war against the Los Angeles Police Department and his battle to defend the rights of African Americans, that he truly doesn't care about race relations or police brutality, all he cares about is coming out of it the winner, even if it means setting the whole city of Los Angeles ablaze.
It's been fascinating television and I'm actually disappointed the series ends next week.
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Post by Renslayer on Mar 30, 2016 20:17:59 GMT -5
The show really hit his stride over the past month. I hate that it ends next week.
Also, poor, poor Darden.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Mar 30, 2016 20:27:27 GMT -5
Every week it becomes more and more obvious that the prosecution were complete idiots and OJ's lawyers (Much like OJ himself) were/are human garbage.
This show is really, really good. I too hate to see it end.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 30, 2016 20:33:08 GMT -5
Kardashian being a complete sycophant, Robert Shapiro a major douche, and R. Lee Emery aside I don't see Cochran or the others as evil or human garbage. Watching this I firmly believe Cochran or at least as the show's intereptation believed O.J. was innocent.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Mar 30, 2016 20:49:00 GMT -5
I was ticked they ended on Clark getting full custody of her children. Nothing show with her husband suggested that he didn't deserve joint custody. Now maybe there's more to her divorce, maybe her husband was shady as all heck but as far as this show's interpretation is concerned I'm not on her side. Other than the tabloids mocking her appearance (which was total horsecrap) I have no sympathy for her. Generally speaking, courts lean heavily towards the mother in custody cases.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Mar 30, 2016 20:59:43 GMT -5
Kardashian being a complete sycophant, Robert Shapiro a major douche, and R. Lee Emery aside I don't see Cochran or the others as evil or human garbage. Watching this I firmly believe Cochran or at least as the show's intereptation believed O.J. was innocent. Like someone else mentioned, I don't think Cochran gave a f*** about the victims or whether or not OJ was guilty. Johnnie Cochran was a fame whore. He played the race card in a time where tension was already at a boiling point. If you add in the fact that he (allegedly) abused his first wife it all points to one thing: Johnnie Cochran was a disgusting person. He was the ring leader in a shit circus.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Mar 30, 2016 21:26:35 GMT -5
Alleged, but never proven. If the interpretation of this show of Cockran is accurate, he wanted to genuinely expose the LAPD's racism. That scene with his wife in their bedroom, if it truly played out that way, made that very clear. Not to mention how he interacted with O.J. I didn't get the sense from when he decided to take the case onward that he felt he was guilty. He was out to defend whom he thought was an innocent man.
I'm sure Cochran was a flawed man, but had the LAPD not had cops like Furhman there would be no platform for Cochran to stand. He was a defense attorney out to do his job. I don't believe he should be vilified for that. Furhman on the other hand was definitely a scumbag and deserved to be vilified.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Mar 30, 2016 21:31:03 GMT -5
Kardashian being a complete sycophant, Robert Shapiro a major douche, and R. Lee Emery aside I don't see Cochran or the others as evil or human garbage. Watching this I firmly believe Cochran or at least as the show's intereptation believed O.J. was innocent. I would pay good money to see R Lee Ermry try a case.
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