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Post by Unocal 76 on Feb 21, 2016 19:12:42 GMT -5
Didn't McLaren use to be GOOD at Formula One?
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 22, 2016 1:41:52 GMT -5
To be fair, the new engine/aero rules have thrown everyone in a loop outside the Silver Arrows.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 23, 2016 15:42:26 GMT -5
Ty Dillon will be in the 14 at Atlanta, then Vickers returns for Vegas.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Feb 24, 2016 9:08:33 GMT -5
Huge manufacturing switch in NASCAR as Stewart-Haas Racing will move to Ford next season.
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Post by cool on Feb 24, 2016 10:00:50 GMT -5
Huge manufacturing switch in NASCAR as Stewart-Haas Racing will move to Ford next season. They better align with Penske because Roush ain't doing shit.
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Post by Burst on Feb 24, 2016 11:40:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know when exactly Roush completely fell off the map, but they've been pretty much completely irrelevant since Edwards and Kenseth bailed. Biffle is pretty much the last vestige of old Roush, but he's always been too "good but not great" that he'll probably be at Roush until he retires, because I can't see him getting offers from other teams.
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Post by Clover Star on Feb 24, 2016 11:46:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know when exactly Roush completely fell off the map, but they've been pretty much completely irrelevant since Edwards and Kenseth bailed. Biffle is pretty much the last vestige of old Roush, but he's always been too "good but not great" that he'll probably be at Roush until he retires, because I can't see him getting offers from other teams. I'd say when John Henry bought half the team and they became Roush-Fenway.
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Post by Burst on Feb 24, 2016 12:24:15 GMT -5
That was in 2007, and I want to remember them being competitive for a few years after that. I'd say the wheels didn't really come off until around 2012-ish.
Honestly, Hendrick, Penske, and RCR are really the exceptions to the rule in terms of teams that have stayed competitive more or less their entire lifetimes. I'm curious how Penske will fare when Tim Cindric takes over completely (as I think he already does most of the day-to-day).
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 24, 2016 13:06:15 GMT -5
I'd say the decline started slowly following the 2010 plane crash.
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Post by cool on Feb 24, 2016 15:42:36 GMT -5
I wonder whos going to be HMS's new affiliate team, Ganassi perhaps?
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Post by Burst on Feb 24, 2016 16:37:04 GMT -5
I wonder whos going to be HMS's new affiliate team, Ganassi perhaps? It's hard to say, because I totally would've pegged Ganassi as "team most likely to change to Ford" mainly due to them spearheading the Ford GT program in IMSA and WEC. Though that's tricky since then they would probably have to change to Honda in Indycar and they just changed to Chevy over there a few years ago.
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Post by karl100589 on Feb 24, 2016 17:07:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know when exactly Roush completely fell off the map, but they've been pretty much completely irrelevant since Edwards and Kenseth bailed. Biffle is pretty much the last vestige of old Roush, but he's always been too "good but not great" that he'll probably be at Roush until he retires, because I can't see him getting offers from other teams. Roush's mistake is that while it's had great drivers coming through the junior series in the past few years (Bayne, Stenhouse, Bubba Wallace etc) there is nobody in the team to give them the necessary guidance at cup level. Biffle has never struck me as the 'wise veteran' type that is able to guide a team, whereas Kenseth and especially Carl would have taken the youngsters under their wing a lot more. It reminds me of when Andretti Autosport ditched the likes of Franchitti and Herta in Indycar, only to be left with Kanaan and three youngsters who had no idea how to set up a car.
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Post by Burst on Feb 24, 2016 17:14:43 GMT -5
Roush's mistake is that while it's had great drivers coming through the junior series in the past few years (Bayne, Stenhouse, Bubba Wallace etc) there is nobody in the team to give them the necessary guidance at cup level. Biffle has never struck me as the 'wise veteran' type that is able to guide a team, whereas Kenseth and especially Carl would have taken the youngsters under their wing a lot more. It reminds me of when Andretti Autosport ditched the likes of Franchitti and Herta in Indycar, only to be left with Kanaan and three youngsters who had no idea how to set up a car. That actually makes a ton of sense. The guys that have come up have done great at the Nationwide level (which I think is finally starting to get reasonably competitive again) so they've clearly got talent, but they've nearly all looked hopelessly lost at the Cup stage. I figure Jack Roush himself has probably even less involvement than he did before (I'm not even sure if he still goes to the races) but there's clearly a lack of leadership going on. Biffle has always struck me as just kind of there, to be honest. He's probably one of the most generic yet inexplicably long-tenured drivers of his generation.
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Post by Father Dougal McGuire on Feb 24, 2016 21:07:10 GMT -5
Yeah, after the 2001, I think, Biffle vs Harvick Busch championship contest, Biffle has just leveled off. Not saying he is a bad driver, just a meh driver.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Feb 25, 2016 19:45:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I don't know when exactly Roush completely fell off the map, but they've been pretty much completely irrelevant since Edwards and Kenseth bailed. Biffle is pretty much the last vestige of old Roush, but he's always been too "good but not great" that he'll probably be at Roush until he retires, because I can't see him getting offers from other teams. I think Roush-Fenway's issues are simple. The issue is Jack Roush's stubbornness to accept change and new ideas. Penske has tried to help Roush-Fenway but Roush isn't willing to accept their help. Unless the accepts new ideas, I don't see Roush improving Roush made some personnel changes this past offseason, including hiring Hendrick's former aero guy. We'll see if that helps. Roush's issues are not under the hood because Penske is running the same engines they are and are winning with them. Long-term, Roush does have somebody lined up to take over for him when he decides to retire. That person is Doug Yates, who's father Robert was a very successful car owner and engine builder in NASCAR. Doug Yates is very involved in the engine program for all of the Ford teams.
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Post by FHgrad99 on Feb 25, 2016 19:50:59 GMT -5
Huge manufacturing switch in NASCAR as Stewart-Haas Racing will move to Ford next season. I was shocked when I heard about that yesterday. I don't think anybody saw that coming. From what I've read, there are two reasons why Stewart-Hass is switching. First is that they wanted more financial support from Chevrolet, which they refused to give them. That is also why Martin Truex Jr. is now driving a Toyota because Furniture Row asked for more money from Chevrolet after winning Pocono last year and Chevrolet turned them down. The second reason is that Stewart-Haas and Hendrick Motorsports weren't seeing eye-to-eye on chassis construction for the cars. Stewart-Haas is going to build their own chassis next year.
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Post by Burst on Feb 25, 2016 19:58:30 GMT -5
I do remember the glory days of RYR and appreciate it a lot more now looking back than I did at the time. That's another team that fell off very quickly when they did. Pretty much as soon as Dale Jarrett left and then Ricky Rudd the year after, Yates was done. And if I recall, looking back, they made arguably the same mistake Roush is making in the sense of having their team be near-exclusively young talent with no guidance or veteran leadership.
Granted, Yates also fell off during what was probably the worst time period to be a NASCAR rookie. There's definitely a "lost generation" of NASCAR rookies even moreso than there's a lost generation of WWE guys.
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on Feb 28, 2016 13:08:28 GMT -5
DRIVERS START YOUR ENGINES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by VRM: LET'S GO BLUESHIRTS!! on Feb 28, 2016 13:18:23 GMT -5
BOOGITY BOOGITY BOOGITY!!!! LET'S GO RACING BOYS!!!!!
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Post by andrew8798 on Feb 28, 2016 16:34:58 GMT -5
And JJ is your winner
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