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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 9:08:14 GMT -5
One thing I DO give the company credit for is knowing that a top babyface who's a silent, bad-ass monster just isn't sustainable for very long. There's no character hook for stories, the heels get underdog sympathy, and what do you do when he inevitably has to lose? Now, Reigns the smarmy, sleazy ladies-man who's still a good guy at heart? THAT'S playing to the dude's strengths. Anyway, to answer the original question: Yes, dude's got Chosen Hoss stink on him, gotta wash it off and start over. So true. Making him a silent-badass killer will eventually get extremely boring, especially if he continues to be booked so strong. It's not the answer in terms of making him a top face.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 22, 2016 10:20:20 GMT -5
He should be booked like 94 & 96 diesel
Except he's booked like 95 diesel
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 10:24:40 GMT -5
He should be booked like 94 & 96 diesel Except he's booked like 95 diesel Honestly the funny thing is, besides a lot of obvious Diesel parallels, Reigns probably is someone who would benefit from having a WCW equivalent around. In an environment more like that where he could play to his strengths, much like with Nash he could be huge. Though granted, Nash is smart and gets the business. Based on what we've heard from and about Reigns... He doesn't.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 22, 2016 10:28:27 GMT -5
He should be booked like 94 & 96 diesel Except he's booked like 95 diesel Honestly the funny thing is, besides a lot of obvious Diesel parallels, Reigns probably is someone who would benefit from having a WCW equivalent around. In an environment more like that where he could play to his strengths, much like with Nash he could be huge. Though granted, Nash is smart and gets the business. Based on what we've heard from and about Reigns... He doesn't. Roman's there to do what he's told and get paid what his contract says he deserves. If he were smarter, he'd be pushing to be booked better so when his contract comes up, he has something to stand on when asking for more money.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 10:29:54 GMT -5
Honestly the funny thing is, besides a lot of obvious Diesel parallels, Reigns probably is someone who would benefit from having a WCW equivalent around. In an environment more like that where he could play to his strengths, much like with Nash he could be huge. Though granted, Nash is smart and gets the business. Based on what we've heard from and about Reigns... He doesn't. Roman's there to do what he's told and get paid what his contract says he deserves. If he were smarter, he'd be pushing to be booked better so when his contract comes up, he has something to stand on when asking for more money. Judging by that thing about him insisting to walk out under his own power at the Rumble, I'm inclined to think he doesn't recognize there's a problem.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 22, 2016 10:31:05 GMT -5
To add something newish. Wrestlers talk about how the great workers just don't focus on their spots, it's the stuff between the spots. The way they move the speed that they get off the mat, when they play or don't play to the crowd. Etc. Reigns does none of that as far as I can see. The stuff between spots is just like wasted time.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 22, 2016 10:31:51 GMT -5
Roman's there to do what he's told and get paid what his contract says he deserves. If he were smarter, he'd be pushing to be booked better so when his contract comes up, he has something to stand on when asking for more money. Judging by that thing about him insisting to walk out under his own power at the Rumble, I'm inclined to think he doesn't recognize there's a problem. I, didn't know he did that... Is he an idiot?
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Feb 22, 2016 10:33:50 GMT -5
To add something newish. Wrestlers talk about how the great workers just don't focus on their spots, it's the stuff between the spots. The way they move the speed that they get off the mat, when they play or don't play to the crowd. Etc. Reigns does none of that as far as I can see. The stuff between spots is just like wasted time. "RO-MAN'S SLEEPING!" *CLAP CLAP CLAPCLAPCLAP*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 10:36:55 GMT -5
To add something newish. Wrestlers talk about how the great workers just don't focus on their spots, it's the stuff between the spots. The way they move the speed that they get off the mat, when they play or don't play to the crowd. Etc. Reigns does none of that as far as I can see. The stuff between spots is just like wasted time. Doesn't help he doesn't sell at all. Like, sure, when he's taking moves, but the second it's his turn to be on offense, he's at 100%. See when Cesaro spent their whole match working over his arm then Reigns went right back to using it for Superman punching, or last night when he got put in a Kimura and beaten with a chair and yet was right as rain the second he got up from it.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Feb 22, 2016 10:37:53 GMT -5
To add something newish. Wrestlers talk about how the great workers just don't focus on their spots, it's the stuff between the spots. The way they move the speed that they get off the mat, when they play or don't play to the crowd. Etc. Reigns does none of that as far as I can see. The stuff between spots is just like wasted time. That probably comes down to a lack of psychology on his part. Look at the horrendous finish from last night. No selling multiple chair shots and beating Ambrose clean. It didn't make Roman look strong, it just ruined the suspension of disbelief and pissed the fans in the arena off.
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Post by Rican on Feb 22, 2016 10:38:07 GMT -5
I think the roundabout way they went about getting here is what soured people on Reigns after some goodwill was built up. When he finally won it was like "ok, that's over with, let's see how he does now." Him having to defend the title in the Rumble, Triple H winning, and now him having to OVERCOME DA ODDZ yet again is more annoying than the Reigns push itself, IMO.
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Post by KAOS on Feb 22, 2016 10:39:00 GMT -5
its cool to hate
the next big thing after him will be hated too
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Post by Rican on Feb 22, 2016 10:39:32 GMT -5
I think last year after Mania they should have did the Cena thing with him , and what I mean by that is give him a mid-card title (IC, US, or heck even both) and just have him run through the mid-card Goldberg style for most of the year and then maybe by the time the Rumble hit we would have a different story in terms of this overness. Him being the one to beat Russev at Mania for the US title last year would have been SO much better than everything else they did.
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Post by Jiren on Feb 22, 2016 10:57:37 GMT -5
I think last year after Mania they should have did the Cena thing with him , and what I mean by that is give him a mid-card title (IC, US, or heck even both) and just have him run through the mid-card Goldberg style for most of the year and then maybe by the time the Rumble hit we would have a different story in terms of this overness. Him being the one to beat Russev at Mania for the US title last year would have been SO much better than everything else they did. He needed a midcard title run as a learning experience The poor guy has been chucked into the deep end without first learning how swim properly
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 22, 2016 11:03:49 GMT -5
To add something newish. Wrestlers talk about how the great workers just don't focus on their spots, it's the stuff between the spots. The way they move the speed that they get off the mat, when they play or don't play to the crowd. Etc. Reigns does none of that as far as I can see. The stuff between spots is just like wasted time. That probably comes down to a lack of psychology on his part. Look at the horrendous finish from last night. No selling multiple chair shots and beating Ambrose clean. It didn't make Roman look strong, it just ruined the suspension of disbelief and pissed the fans in the arena off. Right it was just "time" for Roman to win. So chairshot,chairshot,nothing,SPEAR! It's not even Hogan style babyface no selling. It's just not...selling.
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Post by Dr. Bolty, Disaster Enby on Feb 22, 2016 11:04:06 GMT -5
IMO Reigns' biggest fault is that no one knows who Roman Reigns is. Seriously, what's his character? Samoan guy? Yup, this right here. The Rock was a nouveau riche athlete. Stone Cold Steve Austin was a proudly blue collar hellraiser. Daniel Bryan was a small and homely guy with a big heart and great talent. Hulk Hogan was a patriotic powerhouse with indomitable spirit. Bret Hart was an understated expert with good morals. Roman is...a look, not a character. He's an attractive package with nothing in it. There isn't any hook, or any particular motivation. There's no ethos, no guiding principle, no social connection. He's just a good looking guy with a moveset.
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Post by Milkman Norm on Feb 22, 2016 11:13:11 GMT -5
Here's the thing. He's not terrible. But he can't sell or do the little things well enough to be vulnerable and not pathetic. He's got a good voice , a strong voice for promos. But it's clear that his dialog isn't natural for him and comes of as he's being controlled by a puppeteer. He's got a good look but he's too jacked to play the underdog role and not jacked enough to play the superman role. It's like he's good but he falls like .5% outside of what would make him a superstar on every metric.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Feb 22, 2016 11:32:25 GMT -5
Instead of having the fans want to love him with a heel turn or a slower build the WWE wants the fans to love him. Its retarding his progress and I don't get it. Someone on Reddit put it perfectly - it's like the WWE is playing on hard mode for no reason. You have to wonder what effect this has on the psyche of Reigns. He seems like a good guy, but the fans don't want him in his current form.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2016 11:36:39 GMT -5
Instead of having the fans want to love him with a heel turn or a slower build the WWE wants the fans to love him. Its retarding his progress and I don't get it. Someone on Reddit put it perfectly - it's like the WWE is playing on hard mode for no reason. You have to wonder what effect this has on the psyche of Reigns. He seems like a good guy, but the fans don't want him in his current form. If I were to guess, they've probably convinced him, "You're doing great, everything's doing great, it's just a handful of Internet nerds who don't know what they want, you're doing great."
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Feb 22, 2016 11:46:48 GMT -5
As much as I dislike Reigns in the ring, I think he's being personally blamed for a lot of things that aren't his fault. I don't think the wrestlers themselves get to decide their own finishing spots for main event PPV matches, especially in a triple-threat where ad-libbing an important moment can end up clunky and awkward. And the other stuff... Remember when Steve Austin turned heel, and all of a sudden, he started selling? He was really good at it and it improved his matches, but it looked so weird. It's a WWE thing, not a Reigns thing.
I sympathize with the awkward position the guy's in, especially having to play a character who's always confident and so can't react to boos. It'd be unprofessional to not do what Vince wants him to do, so I'll praise him all day for it, personally, even while I think Vince is an idiot and don't want this on my TV.
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