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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Mar 12, 2016 23:11:22 GMT -5
Don't worry this isn't some newz article. I just had a bit of a debate on twitter with a guy (and I'm not trying to mock him here, we're all entitled to our opinion, however out there it may be) and he's convinced that Reigns' push to the top of WWE has been deliberately mishandled in order to cut his legs out from under him. Triple H is supposed to be the mastermind behind this conspiracy to destroy Roman's chances of being the top guy and somehow tonight's match was deliberately designed to harm Roman by keeping Hunter face-like and deliberately making sure Ambrose remains more popular than Reigns.
The point of this thread is I have legitimately never come across this theory before, is this a common idea floating around that I've just missed or is this just one person's massive conspiracy?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:13:28 GMT -5
Roman flopping makes Triple H look like he doesn't know what he's doing because he's the one who picked him as the next top guy. What's going on now is a genuine attempt to make this work, at least within what little he's being allowed to do under the crushing weight of Vince's foot.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 12, 2016 23:14:48 GMT -5
To anyone who honestly believes this, I just ask what benefit would be gained from a guy intentionally tanking his own main event match?
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 12, 2016 23:16:15 GMT -5
If they hadn't gone back to "hilarious" Roman after he beat the shit out of Hunter, none of this would be necessary. Vince wants Roman to be his white meat babyface and everyone will learn to love it so Vince can get off to people cheering his new Hogan.
That all said, booking Hunter the way they are isn't only not helping Roman, it's hurting him more. If Hunter is unwilling to be a coward, put someone in there who isn't Sheamus who will.
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Post by BorneAgain on Mar 12, 2016 23:16:29 GMT -5
What's tragically amusing is we have basically two possibilities here:
A: That at major executive in a multi-million dollar corporation is purposely trying tor make one of biggest public faces of the company look terrible.
B: That the creative division and the very top executive at multi-million dollar corporation are so incredibly incompetent at highlighting one the company's biggest public faces and getting them even token support from the fans, that the possibility of internal sabotage is actually a legitimate question.
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Post by "Mr Wonderdick" Dick Dastardly on Mar 12, 2016 23:17:18 GMT -5
Roman flopping makes Triple H look like he doesn't know what he's doing because he's the one who picked him as the next top guy. What's going on now is a genuine attempt to make this work, at least within what little he's being allowed to do under the crushing weight of Vince's foot. Triple H also wants to turn Roman heel. So, if Roman is booed against Triple H, he can go to Vince and say "See? He needs to turn heel if I can't even get him cheered!" Not saying this is what is happening, but if this is some kind of C-O-N...SPIRACY, then that is a logical setup.
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Post by AdamAFL was sooooo wrong on Mar 12, 2016 23:17:24 GMT -5
To anyone who honestly believes this, I just ask what benefit would be gained from a guy intentionally tanking his own main event match? That was my general point. The answer seemed to be that in Hunter's eyes it's for the greater good because he wants the company basically built in his image with only guys he personally handpicks allowed to be on top.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 12, 2016 23:19:19 GMT -5
To anyone who honestly believes this, I just ask what benefit would be gained from a guy intentionally tanking his own main event match? That was my general point. The answer seemed to be that in Hunter's eyes it's for the greater good because he wants the company basically built in his image with only guys he personally handpicks allowed to be on top. To be fair, Hunter picks the right guys. He's just not allowed to book them the way he wants to.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 12, 2016 23:20:44 GMT -5
To anyone who honestly believes this, I just ask what benefit would be gained from a guy intentionally tanking his own main event match? That was my general point. The answer seemed to be that in Hunter's eyes it's for the greater good because he wants the company basically built in his image with only guys he personally handpicks allowed to be on top. By most accounts though, Reigns is Vince's guy. Or at least, the way he's being booked is completely on Vince.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:21:49 GMT -5
If they hadn't gone back to "hilarious" Roman after he beat the shit out of Hunter, none of this would be necessary. Vince wants Roman to be his white meat babyface and everyone will learn to love it so Vince can get off to people cheering his new Hogan. That all said, booking Hunter the way they are isn't only not helping Roman, it's hurting him more. If Hunter is unwilling to be a coward, put someone in there who isn't Sheamus who will. I'd put the blame WAY more on the stupid One vs. All thing than on the attitude change. That sure as shit hasn't helped, but that right there was basically the ultimate in, "This is John Cena 2.0."
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 12, 2016 23:22:47 GMT -5
HHH isn't above tanking his own main event in order to bury someone. See Jericho, Chris (2002). Or Orton, Randy (2009). It's easy to get away with this when you are basically bulletproof and your opponent isn't. I might even add the Batista matches in 2005 to that list if not for the stellar HIAC that finally blew it off. The WM and Backlash matches were blah.
Here is a bit of cold, hard reality: HHH can't really carry anyone and doesn't especially enjoy making anyone look good. At WM I doubt he'll be able to get anything decent out of Reigns and either it will be because he doesn't know how to or doesn't want to.
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Post by Dub H on Mar 12, 2016 23:22:53 GMT -5
IT'S A C-O-N...SPIRACY!
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Post by Starshine on Mar 12, 2016 23:22:58 GMT -5
To anyone who honestly believes this, I just ask what benefit would be gained from a guy intentionally tanking his own main event match? That was my general point. The answer seemed to be that in Hunter's eyes it's for the greater good because he wants the company basically built in his image with only guys he personally handpicks allowed to be on top. In addition to our stance, it makes him look worse when he's the veteran who can't help the face get over. If there's also intentional sabotage involved, it makes him look vindictive, petty, and untrustworthy. There's literally no gain to be made by Trips in his current position. If he plays things straight he's more likely to improve his influence over the product. We know he's politically savy in the world of wrestling, otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he's in. So for him to suddenly sabotage one guy from getting over, it would completely go against everything he should have learned.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:27:12 GMT -5
I think the beatdown segment on Reigns was selfish and poorly thought out, if not deliberately malicious, but otherwise I think this angle is a genuine attempt by Trips to "make" Reigns. In a vacuum the angle isn't terrible, and would probably be seen in a much better light if Reigns were in better standing with the audiences at large.
If you want an example of Triple H actively sabotaging someone, look at Curtis Axel in 2013 (to use a less obvious example than the oft-cited Punk, et al.).
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Post by Joe Neglia on Mar 12, 2016 23:27:38 GMT -5
That was my general point. The answer seemed to be that in Hunter's eyes it's for the greater good because he wants the company basically built in his image with only guys he personally handpicks allowed to be on top. By most accounts though, Reigns is Vince's guy. Or at least, the way he's being booked is completely on Vince. And on the other hand, Roman is NXT, HHH's baby. Granted he was only officially with NXT for all of two weeks before getting called up (as the FCW-NXT changeover had just happened), but if HHH wants NXT to look good, he wants Roman to look good too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:31:51 GMT -5
If they hadn't gone back to "hilarious" Roman after he beat the shit out of Hunter, none of this would be necessary. Vince wants Roman to be his white meat babyface and everyone will learn to love it so Vince can get off to people cheering his new Hogan. That all said, booking Hunter the way they are isn't only not helping Roman, it's hurting him more. If Hunter is unwilling to be a coward, put someone in there who isn't Sheamus who will. I disagree about Hunter being a coward to put Roman over. That's part of the problem; a hero is only as good as the villains he faces. If you're going to make a guy your next big thing, the man he goes over at his coronation night should be somebody the crowd takes dead seriously.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Mar 12, 2016 23:38:41 GMT -5
If they hadn't gone back to "hilarious" Roman after he beat the shit out of Hunter, none of this would be necessary. Vince wants Roman to be his white meat babyface and everyone will learn to love it so Vince can get off to people cheering his new Hogan. That all said, booking Hunter the way they are isn't only not helping Roman, it's hurting him more. If Hunter is unwilling to be a coward, put someone in there who isn't Sheamus who will. I'd put the blame WAY more on the stupid One vs. All thing than on the attitude change. That sure as shit hasn't helped, but that right there was basically the ultimate in, "This is John Cena 2.0." All of it played into this is Vince's favorite trope thing. He looks like he lives in a gym, they'll write him as a wise crackin' good ol' boy who all the ladies love. Just wait until he gets into his first "America is the best country!" feud, then he'll be a Hogan/Rock/HHH/Cena chimera.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 23:51:27 GMT -5
Triple H was the guy who even told Vince that Reigns was the next "Guy" in the first place so I'm not buying this shit anyone's selling when they say there's some conspiracy.
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Post by 111111 on Mar 13, 2016 2:23:15 GMT -5
If they hadn't gone back to "hilarious" Roman after he beat the shit out of Hunter, none of this would be necessary. Vince wants Roman to be his white meat babyface and everyone will learn to love it so Vince can get off to people cheering his new Hogan. That all said, booking Hunter the way they are isn't only not helping Roman, it's hurting him more. If Hunter is unwilling to be a coward, put someone in there who isn't Sheamus who will. I disagree about Hunter being a coward to put Roman over. That's part of the problem; a hero is only as good as the villains he faces. If you're going to make a guy your next big thing, the man he goes over at his coronation night should be somebody the crowd takes dead seriously. That episode of Raw where Triple H was wrestling Axel and Vince kept stopping the match was hilarious though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 2:28:32 GMT -5
Newz has indicated that HHH recommended Reigns as the post Cena face of the company at a time when Vince was admiring Big E and considering him for the role.
This would have been about 3/4 years ago so maybe something has happened in the meantime to sour HHH on Reigns.
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