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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 13, 2016 12:09:57 GMT -5
I'd sooner believe he's trying to sabotage his babyface push so he can justify turning him heel. He has to know turning him heel would save his career
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Post by Starshine on Mar 13, 2016 18:40:05 GMT -5
So the guy who fought hardest to get his ass handed to him by Reigns a few months ago is now intentionally trying to tank him? Seriously? Also I'd bet if you keep both beat downs the same and switch Ambrose and Reigns around, Reigns still gets booed. The problem is Reigns, not Triple H. We saw this exact same thing last year when Reigns was feuding with Lesnar. What's the common denominator here, because it isn't Triple H. Maybe it's more likely that some people just don't want to admit that Reigns isn't that over. If you buy into a story relayed by a Klique member as the truth, sure. People here and around the Net want to act like Roman was never over. Like he has to be carried in every match. All his promos suck. Don't blame the creative genius who wrote the shit promos or booked him like a goof. Blame Roman for it all. When Roman was winning people back over, some here refuse to admit it was happening. "It don't count because this crowd is casual fans. His opponent did all of the work." People act like the notion of someone tanking a match/feud is unreal. What is unreal is being naive about that it can happen. Guess it is only true if the victim is someone they like. Thanks for the straw man argument, when I said nothing like that at all. That's the problem with some of the Reigns Conspiracy theorists going around, they all jump to conclusions without actually thinking about what's being argued. Being over for fleeting moments does not prove a guy is over on a main event level. There's countless examples of certain guys being popular for a moment then losing the crowd just as quickly. What makes Roman Reigns different from those guys that we have to go to the extent of "political hits" to try and justify the fallacy that the guy is something special compared to anyone else in the company? If he was that over he'd still be popular today. Look at Daniel Bryan, he had some of the worst booking ever leading into his Mania match, which would be closer to an example of a politically motivated burial than Reigns. Yet, he was always over. That's the difference, Bryan was over on a huge level, Reigns isn't. It's that simple. He can hover around the uppercard like a Randy Orton and be fine. But this idea that Triple H is to blame for all of Reigns problems is missing the glaring issue that the problem is Roman Reigns. This is the SECOND time we've gone through the exact same scenario. At what point do we just accept that he's not the right guy to be in that position? That's not a slight against him, it's just the facts at hand. Not everyone has the personality, skills, and charisma to carry WWE. He's just one example of many. There's no political hit. There's no conspiracy. He's just the victim of being pushed too hard by his boss.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 18:46:49 GMT -5
I don't believe in that HHH is doing a political hit on Reigns since he was the one who put Reigns into The Shield and not Chris Hero when Punk suggested the early pitch of the Shield and he lobbied to Vince to have Reigns win the 2015 Rumble and to get his ass beaten down by him at TLC 2015.
I just honestly think HHH is a piss poor booking himself and for some reason thinks he's doing the right thing of getting Reigns over. Like I'd imagine in HHH'S mind he's making Reigns the ultimate underdog and thinks he's putting Reigns over as the baddest of badasses by defeating The Asskicker clean at Mania.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 13, 2016 20:34:29 GMT -5
If you buy into a story relayed by a Klique member as the truth, sure. People here and around the Net want to act like Roman was never over. Like he has to be carried in every match. All his promos suck. Don't blame the creative genius who wrote the shit promos or booked him like a goof. Blame Roman for it all. When Roman was winning people back over, some here refuse to admit it was happening. "It don't count because this crowd is casual fans. His opponent did all of the work." People act like the notion of someone tanking a match/feud is unreal. What is unreal is being naive about that it can happen. Guess it is only true if the victim is someone they like. Thanks for the straw man argument, when I said nothing like that at all. That's the problem with some of the Reigns Conspiracy theorists going around, they all jump to conclusions without actually thinking about what's being argued. Being over for fleeting moments does not prove a guy is over on a main event level. There's countless examples of certain guys being popular for a moment then losing the crowd just as quickly. What makes Roman Reigns different from those guys that we have to go to the extent of "political hits" to try and justify the fallacy that the guy is something special compared to anyone else in the company? If he was that over he'd still be popular today. Look at Daniel Bryan, he had some of the worst booking ever leading into his Mania match, which would be closer to an example of a politically motivated burial than Reigns. Yet, he was always over. That's the difference, Bryan was over on a huge level, Reigns isn't. It's that simple. He can hover around the uppercard like a Randy Orton and be fine. But this idea that Triple H is to blame for all of Reigns problems is missing the glaring issue that the problem is Roman Reigns. This is the SECOND time we've gone through the exact same scenario. At what point do we just accept that he's not the right guy to be in that position? That's not a slight against him, it's just the facts at hand. Not everyone has the personality, skills, and charisma to carry WWE. He's just one example of many. There's no political hit. There's no conspiracy. He's just the victim of being pushed too hard by his boss. Roman was over longer than fleeting moments. He was the one in the Shield getting the loudest pops. He was popular post Shield breakup. He lost some momentum while out injured but still had a big fanbase. The tide didn't start turning until he got made into Cena Jr and WWE went Poochie with him. Winning the Rumble made him hated. Especially with Daniel Bryan getting eliminated early and LocalMania running wild. When he drop the jokey face stuff and be himself, the crowd loves that. Giving him the Cena Odds stacking doesn't. Bryan was a once in a lifetime person. He survived shit that killed other wrestlers's momentum. He's not the norm. Unless you're him, Austin or the Rock; you're not getting total crowd support which folks are now using as a gauge of deserves a push. Even very popular Ambrose is not getting reaction like Bryan did. Does that mean he needs to wait his turn? Because at that rate, no one but Cena is the Man. Which we experience for over a decade. Zack Ryder dared to work on his own getting over and he got his legs cut off from him hardcore. Hell, the Miz's world title run was doomed with semi-retired Jerry Lawler being his equal and being a bystander between the bromance of Cena and the Rock. I'll be the first to admit Roman got pushed for his current spot too soon. But people need to admit he step up but only to get step down with shitty booking and character changes. Not even talented veterans can survive that.
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Post by King Devitt on Mar 13, 2016 20:36:18 GMT -5
Roman flopping makes Triple H look like he doesn't know what he's doing because he's the one who picked him as the next top guy. What's going on now is a genuine attempt to make this work, at least within what little he's being allowed to do under the crushing weight of Vince's foot. HHH doesn't exactly have a track record for creating superstars. (Roman, Rollins, Sheamus etc) ALL FLOPS . Thats why I don't understand this mentality everyone has that HHH is the right successor to Vince. Unless you have drawing superstars, you're product is going to suffer. HHH hasn't shown anywhere he can do that Blaming HHH for those flops is like blaming Roman for not getting over. Both instances point back to the actual culprit, Vince. HHH can say "Roman is the next guy, we gotta go with him" or "Rollins should be the workhorse champion" but even then it's all just suggestions. If HHH had to fight to get Roman to beat him up late last year, that is telling at how much power he really has. Not much when it comes to Vince. Pull, yes. Legit power, no. He had to fight to help Roman get over using a common sense approach. Then Vince took right back over and ruined it. yet. again. He has no more control over how they're booked then Roman does in how he's booked. So yes, if HHH were actually booking Roman and Rollins I guarantee you they would be 100 percent better off. Especially Roman who would be heel right now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 20:57:46 GMT -5
Thanks for the straw man argument, when I said nothing like that at all. That's the problem with some of the Reigns Conspiracy theorists going around, they all jump to conclusions without actually thinking about what's being argued. Being over for fleeting moments does not prove a guy is over on a main event level. There's countless examples of certain guys being popular for a moment then losing the crowd just as quickly. What makes Roman Reigns different from those guys that we have to go to the extent of "political hits" to try and justify the fallacy that the guy is something special compared to anyone else in the company? If he was that over he'd still be popular today. Look at Daniel Bryan, he had some of the worst booking ever leading into his Mania match, which would be closer to an example of a politically motivated burial than Reigns. Yet, he was always over. That's the difference, Bryan was over on a huge level, Reigns isn't. It's that simple. He can hover around the uppercard like a Randy Orton and be fine. But this idea that Triple H is to blame for all of Reigns problems is missing the glaring issue that the problem is Roman Reigns. This is the SECOND time we've gone through the exact same scenario. At what point do we just accept that he's not the right guy to be in that position? That's not a slight against him, it's just the facts at hand. Not everyone has the personality, skills, and charisma to carry WWE. He's just one example of many. There's no political hit. There's no conspiracy. He's just the victim of being pushed too hard by his boss. Roman was over longer than fleeting moments. He was the one in the Shield getting the loudest pops. He was popular post Shield breakup. He lost some momentum while out injured but still had a big fanbase. The tide didn't start turning until he got made into Cena Jr and WWE went Poochie with him. Winning the Rumble made him hated. Especially with Daniel Bryan getting eliminated early and LocalMania running wild. When he drop the jokey face stuff and be himself, the crowd loves that. Giving him the Cena Odds stacking doesn't. Bryan was a once in a lifetime person. He survived shit that killed other wrestlers's momentum. He's not the norm. Unless you're him, Austin or the Rock; you're not getting total crowd support which folks are now using as a gauge of deserves a push. Even very popular Ambrose is not getting reaction like Bryan did. Does that mean he needs to wait his turn? Because at that rate, no one but Cena is the Man. Which we experience for over a decade. Zack Ryder dared to work on his own getting over and he got his legs cut off from him hardcore. Hell, the Miz's world title run was doomed with semi-retired Jerry Lawler being his equal and being a bystander between the bromance of Cena and the Rock. I'll be the first to admit Roman got pushed for his current spot too soon. But people need to admit he step up but only to get step down with shitty booking and character changes. Not even talented veterans can survive that. We ALL KNOW how shitty creative is when it comes to handling characters and booking to someone's strengths, yet somehow Reigns is the problem here? To me it's that simple. The expectation that someone should only get a main event push if they transcend all of the bullshit thrust on them is unrealistic.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 13, 2016 22:03:25 GMT -5
Thanks for the straw man argument, when I said nothing like that at all. That's the problem with some of the Reigns Conspiracy theorists going around, they all jump to conclusions without actually thinking about what's being argued. Being over for fleeting moments does not prove a guy is over on a main event level. There's countless examples of certain guys being popular for a moment then losing the crowd just as quickly. What makes Roman Reigns different from those guys that we have to go to the extent of "political hits" to try and justify the fallacy that the guy is something special compared to anyone else in the company? If he was that over he'd still be popular today. Look at Daniel Bryan, he had some of the worst booking ever leading into his Mania match, which would be closer to an example of a politically motivated burial than Reigns. Yet, he was always over. That's the difference, Bryan was over on a huge level, Reigns isn't. It's that simple. He can hover around the uppercard like a Randy Orton and be fine. But this idea that Triple H is to blame for all of Reigns problems is missing the glaring issue that the problem is Roman Reigns. This is the SECOND time we've gone through the exact same scenario. At what point do we just accept that he's not the right guy to be in that position? That's not a slight against him, it's just the facts at hand. Not everyone has the personality, skills, and charisma to carry WWE. He's just one example of many. There's no political hit. There's no conspiracy. He's just the victim of being pushed too hard by his boss. Roman was over longer than fleeting moments. He was the one in the Shield getting the loudest pops. He was popular post Shield breakup. He lost some momentum while out injured but still had a big fanbase. The tide didn't start turning until he got made into Cena Jr and WWE went Poochie with him. Winning the Rumble made him hated. Especially with Daniel Bryan getting eliminated early and LocalMania running wild. When he drop the jokey face stuff and be himself, the crowd loves that. Giving him the Cena Odds stacking doesn't. Bryan was a once in a lifetime person. He survived shit that killed other wrestlers's momentum. He's not the norm. Unless you're him, Austin or the Rock; you're not getting total crowd support which folks are now using as a gauge of deserves a push. Even very popular Ambrose is not getting reaction like Bryan did. Does that mean he needs to wait his turn? Because at that rate, no one but Cena is the Man. Which we experience for over a decade. Zack Ryder dared to work on his own getting over and he got his legs cut off from him hardcore. Hell, the Miz's world title run was doomed with semi-retired Jerry Lawler being his equal and being a bystander between the bromance of Cena and the Rock. I'll be the first to admit Roman got pushed for his current spot too soon. But people need to admit he step up but only to get step down with shitty booking and character changes. Not even talented veterans can survive that. Ambrose is in a much stronger position to argue he should be main eventing. At least he gets consistent cheers. Also on the topic of Ambrose he's another guy who's been booked to shit in the past. He got squashed by Wyatt, has looked like a total dork multiple times, and has also had his character cut off at the knees. Yet, the guy still gets cheers. Reigns seems to get a combination of indifference and outright booing a lot of the time. You stated he was over post the break up of the Shield, but they all were. It created three fresh characters with potential for new and exciting opportunities. Yet here we are two years later and one of the three is being hidden by WWE in fear of him getting booed. Speaking of that, if we're arguing that there is some sort of con being run by Trips to damage Roman Reigns, then doesn't that also imply that Vince McMahon would have to be on it as well? So we argue that it was Triple H going out in street clothes (as if that really matters, but I digress), beating down Reigns to an inch of his life, bloodying him up, and posing over his mauled carcass. Ok, fine. At face value it might look like the guy going into business for himself. But let's not forget that Vince McMahon is a control freak. It has been addressed many times by multiple sources. If Vince wanted Triple H in a suit, he would have damn well made him wear a suit. If Vince didn't want blood, there would have been no way in hell he would have allowed it. If he didn't want his heel champion to decimate his face challenger, again it wouldn't have happened. Hell the crotch chop taunt wasn't removed from the YouTube clip of the beat down, and you know how crazy WWE can get over some of the most insignificant things making air that bug Vince. The fact he was taken completely off TV after this is a Vince decision. I know he's had surgery, but there's no reason they couldn't have had a video promo or anything to promote him. If there's any conspiracy against Roman Reigns, blaming Triple H makes no sense, because he's not the guy who runs this thing. You can argue all you like about how bad his booking has been, and you'd have a point. But at the same time he's not the only one who suffers that shit. He's getting booed out of the building, and he's supposed to be our big hero. As much as you'd like to blame booking you have to also admit that there is a problem with Reigns. He's not close to being as over to where he should be at the position he's in. And the craziest thing is we saw this exact same thing last year. They've learned nothing since then. He's a broken package that needs to be retooled, because the fans aren't buying the current version. It's not a personal grudge against the man. It has nothing to do with Daniel Bryan. It's not about Triple H trying to bury the guy. It's about a guy who as he's currently presented, is not cutting it.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 13, 2016 22:09:45 GMT -5
So he's Brutus?
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Post by benstudd on Mar 13, 2016 22:24:58 GMT -5
To anyone who honestly believes this, I just ask what benefit would be gained from a guy intentionally tanking his own main event match? To make himself look good? It's not like this has not happened before with Trips. But I'm not so sure that this is what is happening here.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 13, 2016 22:34:30 GMT -5
To anyone who honestly believes this, I just ask what benefit would be gained from a guy intentionally tanking his own main event match? To make himself look good? It's not like this has not happened before with Trips. But I'm not so sure that this is what is happening here. But he's not a full time active guy anymore. The only reason he has the belt right now is to drop it at Mania. There's no benefit to Trips making his challenger look bad, because he's not going to be a long term champion regardless.
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Post by benstudd on Mar 13, 2016 22:40:45 GMT -5
To make himself look good? It's not like this has not happened before with Trips. But I'm not so sure that this is what is happening here. But he's not a full time active guy anymore. The only reason he has the belt right now is to drop it at Mania. There's no benefit to Trips making his challenger look bad, because he's not going to be a long term champion regardless. You would be surprised how long some people love the limelight and want to keep being the guy. Even if they are not regulars. Hogan kept ruining TNA shows cause he was the commish but he kept having his hands in every pies. And the shows were set up in a way that Hogan kept being the guy without wrestling and it would kill the heat of everybody. But he was still on Top, though. Dixie Carter is still owner of TNA to this day cause she wants it to be her own playground. Her father probably bought it for that. Maybe HHH wants to run the show but it's more fun when you are on the show.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 13, 2016 23:39:10 GMT -5
But he's not a full time active guy anymore. The only reason he has the belt right now is to drop it at Mania. There's no benefit to Trips making his challenger look bad, because he's not going to be a long term champion regardless. You would be surprised how long some people love the limelight and want to keep being the guy. Even if they are not regulars. Hogan kept ruining TNA shows cause he was the commish but he kept having his hands in every pies. And the shows were set up in a way that Hogan kept being the guy without wrestling and it would kill the heat of everybody. But he was still on Top, though. Dixie Carter is still owner of TNA to this day cause she wants it to be her own playground. Her father probably bought it for that. Maybe HHH wants to run the show but it's more fun when you are on the show. But Trips already gets that by being the figurehead of the Authority which is probably a bigger role than being even champion gets right now. He may literally hold the belt now, but when Sheamus, Orton, and Rollins were champs, he was still the top heel in the company.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 0:28:43 GMT -5
To anyone who honestly believes this, I just ask what benefit would be gained from a guy intentionally tanking his own main event match? To make himself look good? It's not like this has not happened before with Trips. But I'm not so sure that this is what is happening here. Keep in mind this is the same Triple H who at Mania last year basically let Sting make him look completely washed up and only won via a manpower advantage and a fluke hit then later in the night sold for a woman half his size, and who at the SummerSlam before that sold like a pinball for Brie Bella.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 14, 2016 0:53:28 GMT -5
Whenever he's not in the World Title picture the crowd seems to love him. For a while, he and Ambrose were tied for the most popular babyfaces not named John Cena or Daniel Bryan. I made an analogy a while back about us just wanting to be friends with Roman but he keeps trying to bang. It continues to hold true. Once in a while we might get a little drunk and think about it, but in the end, I think people want him in the upper-midcard friend-zone. I want him as that guy my other friends only like because he can let us use his employee discount.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 2:07:01 GMT -5
Surely if true Vince would see through this 'burying' plot and put a stop to it.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Mar 14, 2016 4:06:16 GMT -5
Roman was over longer than fleeting moments. He was the one in the Shield getting the loudest pops. He was popular post Shield breakup. He lost some momentum while out injured but still had a big fanbase. The tide didn't start turning until he got made into Cena Jr and WWE went Poochie with him. Winning the Rumble made him hated. Especially with Daniel Bryan getting eliminated early and LocalMania running wild. When he drop the jokey face stuff and be himself, the crowd loves that. Giving him the Cena Odds stacking doesn't. Bryan was a once in a lifetime person. He survived shit that killed other wrestlers's momentum. He's not the norm. Unless you're him, Austin or the Rock; you're not getting total crowd support which folks are now using as a gauge of deserves a push. Even very popular Ambrose is not getting reaction like Bryan did. Does that mean he needs to wait his turn? Because at that rate, no one but Cena is the Man. Which we experience for over a decade. Zack Ryder dared to work on his own getting over and he got his legs cut off from him hardcore. Hell, the Miz's world title run was doomed with semi-retired Jerry Lawler being his equal and being a bystander between the bromance of Cena and the Rock. I'll be the first to admit Roman got pushed for his current spot too soon. But people need to admit he step up but only to get step down with shitty booking and character changes. Not even talented veterans can survive that. Ambrose is in a much stronger position to argue he should be main eventing. At least he gets consistent cheers. Also on the topic of Ambrose he's another guy who's been booked to shit in the past. He got squashed by Wyatt, has looked like a total dork multiple times, and has also had his character cut off at the knees. Yet, the guy still gets cheers. Reigns seems to get a combination of indifference and outright booing a lot of the time. You stated he was over post the break up of the Shield, but they all were. It created three fresh characters with potential for new and exciting opportunities. Yet here we are two years later and one of the three is being hidden by WWE in fear of him getting booed. Speaking of that, if we're arguing that there is some sort of con being run by Trips to damage Roman Reigns, then doesn't that also imply that Vince McMahon would have to be on it as well? So we argue that it was Triple H going out in street clothes (as if that really matters, but I digress), beating down Reigns to an inch of his life, bloodying him up, and posing over his mauled carcass. Ok, fine. At face value it might look like the guy going into business for himself. But let's not forget that Vince McMahon is a control freak. It has been addressed many times by multiple sources. If Vince wanted Triple H in a suit, he would have damn well made him wear a suit. If Vince didn't want blood, there would have been no way in hell he would have allowed it. If he didn't want his heel champion to decimate his face challenger, again it wouldn't have happened. Hell the crotch chop taunt wasn't removed from the YouTube clip of the beat down, and you know how crazy WWE can get over some of the most insignificant things making air that bug Vince. The fact he was taken completely off TV after this is a Vince decision. I know he's had surgery, but there's no reason they couldn't have had a video promo or anything to promote him. If there's any conspiracy against Roman Reigns, blaming Triple H makes no sense, because he's not the guy who runs this thing. You can argue all you like about how bad his booking has been, and you'd have a point. But at the same time he's not the only one who suffers that shit. He's getting booed out of the building, and he's supposed to be our big hero. As much as you'd like to blame booking you have to also admit that there is a problem with Reigns. He's not close to being as over to where he should be at the position he's in. And the craziest thing is we saw this exact same thing last year. They've learned nothing since then. He's a broken package that needs to be retooled, because the fans aren't buying the current version. It's not a personal grudge against the man. It has nothing to do with Daniel Bryan. It's not about Triple H trying to bury the guy. It's about a guy who as he's currently presented, is not cutting it. Ambrose didn't get squashed by Bray Wyatt. At one point it was more Ambrose getting the shine and wins that Bray but WWE remembered that they had plans for Bray and gave him a victory in their feud. And even that was because Bray had to put him down with everything in his arsenal to make that happen in the blowoff match. Ambrose's goofiness is kept to a minimum. If he had to do nursery rhymes and scripted monologues that bordered being asinine, he will lose fandom. Hell, do everything they done to Reigns to Dean and watch him fail the same. People act like Triple H is powerless against Vince. Like because some NXT folks aren't being pushed in the forefront upon their debut, he has no hand. He can make suggestions to Vince and hard sell that it is good for the angle. "If I bloody up Roman, it will make people want to see Reigns get revenge. Trust me it will get him over." Hunter arrived for his assault dressed for war. He did the same thing when he returned to fight Brock. If he wore his suit when brawled with Lesnar, the impact would not been the same. Vince may be a control freak and a puppet master but even the ruler can be played like a fiddle by someone with more foresight and intelligence. You don't win wars by full out assault. You win by calculated moves. Also Roman is not universally hated as people keep stating. He been cheered in places that suppose to be smark strongholds just as he been booed in neutral areas. Just like a lot of people on the roster who get all that along with indifference in the mix. A heel turn won't solve the issue because the fans who hate him will start back cheering him and therefore kill the reason to make him turn: to capitalize on the boos. What will work is taking it back to the basics and what brought him to the dance. No long promos. No Cena material. Just being the quiet asskicker who destroyed all in his path. Funny when he does that, he get big cheers. Then the next time he shows up, he's doing the Bugs Bunny act. For plenty other people, we use the it's creative that failed them or damn those McMahons. But for Roman, it's all on him. John Cena had the benefit of taking his lumps and learning on the job. Roman doesn't because Cena did the same thing previously.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Mar 14, 2016 4:38:39 GMT -5
"This doesn't prove I buried him"
"It's a video will, it shows you burying him"
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 14, 2016 5:07:29 GMT -5
I'd put the blame WAY more on the stupid One vs. All thing than on the attitude change. That sure as shit hasn't helped, but that right there was basically the ultimate in, "This is John Cena 2.0." Shit, that kind of took it a step FURTHER. "One vs. All"? Well the fans would be included in "All". Well, my problem with the whole One Vs. All thing is that Roman has been linked to Dean Ambrose since day one, and then they made new t-shirts right around the time he started palling around with his Uso boys. Roman must be the most social loner I've ever heard of.
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Post by spagett on Mar 14, 2016 6:38:53 GMT -5
Triple H wasn't even trying to get booed in that beatdown of Reigns a few weeks back. He came out in a leather jacket and jeans, his version of the red and yellow, was crotch chopping etc. It was total babyface. It was total Triple H, he almost never misses an opportunity to make himself look cool.
I'm at the point though where I don't care, it's obvious Reigns isn't the guy. We've had 2 years of them desperately trying every cheat and trick in the book to get him over, Get Rock to endorse him, let him keep the Shield theme and look, align the super over Ambrose as his best friend so hopefully his overness will rub off on Roman, hell even use stupid car sounds to drown out the boos his name gets when we announce the FastLane main event on Raw.
So I think Triple h was being political in the way he was portrayed during that segment but hell I don't blame him. If the rumours are true, that he recognises the superpush Reigns has received is a failure and he needs to turn heel, he's already more perceptive than Vince.
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Post by Starshine on Mar 14, 2016 17:17:58 GMT -5
Ambrose is in a much stronger position to argue he should be main eventing. At least he gets consistent cheers. Also on the topic of Ambrose he's another guy who's been booked to shit in the past. He got squashed by Wyatt, has looked like a total dork multiple times, and has also had his character cut off at the knees. Yet, the guy still gets cheers. Reigns seems to get a combination of indifference and outright booing a lot of the time. You stated he was over post the break up of the Shield, but they all were. It created three fresh characters with potential for new and exciting opportunities. Yet here we are two years later and one of the three is being hidden by WWE in fear of him getting booed. Speaking of that, if we're arguing that there is some sort of con being run by Trips to damage Roman Reigns, then doesn't that also imply that Vince McMahon would have to be on it as well? So we argue that it was Triple H going out in street clothes (as if that really matters, but I digress), beating down Reigns to an inch of his life, bloodying him up, and posing over his mauled carcass. Ok, fine. At face value it might look like the guy going into business for himself. But let's not forget that Vince McMahon is a control freak. It has been addressed many times by multiple sources. If Vince wanted Triple H in a suit, he would have damn well made him wear a suit. If Vince didn't want blood, there would have been no way in hell he would have allowed it. If he didn't want his heel champion to decimate his face challenger, again it wouldn't have happened. Hell the crotch chop taunt wasn't removed from the YouTube clip of the beat down, and you know how crazy WWE can get over some of the most insignificant things making air that bug Vince. The fact he was taken completely off TV after this is a Vince decision. I know he's had surgery, but there's no reason they couldn't have had a video promo or anything to promote him. If there's any conspiracy against Roman Reigns, blaming Triple H makes no sense, because he's not the guy who runs this thing. You can argue all you like about how bad his booking has been, and you'd have a point. But at the same time he's not the only one who suffers that shit. He's getting booed out of the building, and he's supposed to be our big hero. As much as you'd like to blame booking you have to also admit that there is a problem with Reigns. He's not close to being as over to where he should be at the position he's in. And the craziest thing is we saw this exact same thing last year. They've learned nothing since then. He's a broken package that needs to be retooled, because the fans aren't buying the current version. It's not a personal grudge against the man. It has nothing to do with Daniel Bryan. It's not about Triple H trying to bury the guy. It's about a guy who as he's currently presented, is not cutting it. Ambrose didn't get squashed by Bray Wyatt. At one point it was more Ambrose getting the shine and wins that Bray but WWE remembered that they had plans for Bray and gave him a victory in their feud. And even that was because Bray had to put him down with everything in his arsenal to make that happen in the blowoff match. Ambrose's goofiness is kept to a minimum. If he had to do nursery rhymes and scripted monologues that bordered being asinine, he will lose fandom. Hell, do everything they done to Reigns to Dean and watch him fail the same. People act like Triple H is powerless against Vince. Like because some NXT folks aren't being pushed in the forefront upon their debut, he has no hand. He can make suggestions to Vince and hard sell that it is good for the angle. "If I bloody up Roman, it will make people want to see Reigns get revenge. Trust me it will get him over." Hunter arrived for his assault dressed for war. He did the same thing when he returned to fight Brock. If he wore his suit when brawled with Lesnar, the impact would not been the same. Vince may be a control freak and a puppet master but even the ruler can be played like a fiddle by someone with more foresight and intelligence. You don't win wars by full out assault. You win by calculated moves. Also Roman is not universally hated as people keep stating. He been cheered in places that suppose to be smark strongholds just as he been booed in neutral areas. Just like a lot of people on the roster who get all that along with indifference in the mix. A heel turn won't solve the issue because the fans who hate him will start back cheering him and therefore kill the reason to make him turn: to capitalize on the boos. What will work is taking it back to the basics and what brought him to the dance. No long promos. No Cena material. Just being the quiet asskicker who destroyed all in his path. Funny when he does that, he get big cheers. Then the next time he shows up, he's doing the Bugs Bunny act. For plenty other people, we use the it's creative that failed them or damn those McMahons. But for Roman, it's all on him. John Cena had the benefit of taking his lumps and learning on the job. Roman doesn't because Cena did the same thing previously. I can't believe I've spent so much thought and energy arguing about Roman Reigns of all people. I concede. I don't care anymore. This is a waste of time.
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