Triple H Conspiring To Bury Roman?

[The Dark Order Inferno]

Triple H is the one who pushed for Roman to main event ahead of Vince's first choice, Big E, so no. Big E will likely benefit greatly from the delay, he's had the time he needs to form a connection with the audience and when they're ready to pull the trigger, he will both look and act the part with full crowd support while Roman will be stuck at the Orton level for the rest of his career, over at times, but always the B-C guy with the taint of management's choice no matter what they do with him.

[________ has left the building]

The Political Hit is real. Just that most don't want to admit to it. Why would Hunter sabotage Roman Reigns? Because it plays into the bigger picture. If the hand chosen pick of Vince fails to catch on, he'll listen more closely to Trip's suggestions. Especially with the court of public opinion siding with HHH mainly because of NXT and WWE not totally winning the hearts & minds of fans.

Look at the difference between Hunter's beatdown on Ambrose and Reigns. Forget the Make Roman Strong meme, Ambrose is the best booked and protected wrestler not named Brock Lesnar in WWE. When Hunter beat him down, it was after Dean had a hard fought battle with him getting jumped by a gang of folks. Then Trips came in to pick the bones. He also wore his suit, not his ultimate asskicker gear. Roman got the odds stacked against him. But that got stripped away fairly quickly with the League sent to the back. Hunter makes his grand entrance dressed for war. Sheamus disappears and Trips procede to murking Roman. And not just bashing his brain out and leaving him bloody. All while the crowd cheers like he is the biggest face in the building. Hunter plays to the crowd and gave Roman a pedigree on the steel steps with a crotch chop to put a cherry on top. And where is Roman? No response outside of an instagram post. Quiet as hell with Ambrose as his stand in. No one is complaining about that.

Before anyone claims it's HHHate, understand this. Wrestling is still carny not matter how shiny the outside and pretty the package. Being driven and ruthless means success. Just because Hunter says he is against the carny mentality does not mean it is going away. Bill Demott kept his job in developmental for quite awhile even after his brutish tactics got made public. He only lost his job because it was best for business. Roman got no control over his booking or destiny. He is not John Cena. Creative and the front office holds his fate. Just a pawn in the game of life.

[Starshine]

Mar 13, 2016 7:32:03 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

The Political Hit is real. Just that most don't want to admit to it. Why would Hunter sabotage Roman Reigns? Because it plays into the bigger picture. If the hand chosen pick of Vince fails to catch on, he'll listen more closely to Trip's suggestions. Especially with the court of public opinion siding with HHH mainly because of NXT and WWE not totally winning the hearts & minds of fans.

Look at the difference between Hunter's beatdown on Ambrose and Reigns. Forget the Make Roman Strong meme, Ambrose is the best booked and protected wrestler not named Brock Lesnar in WWE. When Hunter beat him down, it was after Dean had a hard fought battle with him getting jumped by a gang of folks. Then Trips came in to pick the bones. He also wore his suit, not his ultimate asskicker gear. Roman got the odds stacked against him. But that got stripped away fairly quickly with the League sent to the back. Hunter makes his grand entrance dressed for war. Sheamus disappears and Trips procede to murking Roman. And not just bashing his brain out and leaving him bloody. All while the crowd cheers like he is the biggest face in the building. Hunter plays to the crowd and gave Roman a pedigree on the steel steps with a crotch chop to put a cherry on top. And where is Roman? No response outside of an instagram post. Quiet as hell with Ambrose as his stand in. No one is complaining about that.

Before anyone claims it's HHHate, understand this. Wrestling is still carny not matter how shiny the outside and pretty the package. Being driven and ruthless means success. Just because Hunter says he is against the carny mentality does not mean it is going away. Bill Demott kept his job in developmental for quite awhile even after his brutish tactics got made public. He only lost his job because it was best for business. Roman got no control over his booking or destiny. He is not John Cena. Creative and the front office holds his fate. Just a pawn in the game of life.

So the guy who fought hardest to get his ass handed to him by Reigns a few months ago is now intentionally trying to tank him? Seriously?

Also I'd bet if you keep both beat downs the same and switch Ambrose and Reigns around, Reigns still gets booed. The problem is Reigns, not Triple H. We saw this exact same thing last year when Reigns was feuding with Lesnar. What's the common denominator here, because it isn't Triple H.

Maybe it's more likely that some people just don't want to admit that Reigns isn't that over.

[________ has left the building]

Mar 13, 2016 8:11:10 GMT -5 Starshine said:

Mar 13, 2016 7:32:03 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

The Political Hit is real. Just that most don't want to admit to it. Why would Hunter sabotage Roman Reigns? Because it plays into the bigger picture. If the hand chosen pick of Vince fails to catch on, he'll listen more closely to Trip's suggestions. Especially with the court of public opinion siding with HHH mainly because of NXT and WWE not totally winning the hearts & minds of fans.

Look at the difference between Hunter's beatdown on Ambrose and Reigns. Forget the Make Roman Strong meme, Ambrose is the best booked and protected wrestler not named Brock Lesnar in WWE. When Hunter beat him down, it was after Dean had a hard fought battle with him getting jumped by a gang of folks. Then Trips came in to pick the bones. He also wore his suit, not his ultimate asskicker gear. Roman got the odds stacked against him. But that got stripped away fairly quickly with the League sent to the back. Hunter makes his grand entrance dressed for war. Sheamus disappears and Trips procede to murking Roman. And not just bashing his brain out and leaving him bloody. All while the crowd cheers like he is the biggest face in the building. Hunter plays to the crowd and gave Roman a pedigree on the steel steps with a crotch chop to put a cherry on top. And where is Roman? No response outside of an instagram post. Quiet as hell with Ambrose as his stand in. No one is complaining about that.

Before anyone claims it's HHHate, understand this. Wrestling is still carny not matter how shiny the outside and pretty the package. Being driven and ruthless means success. Just because Hunter says he is against the carny mentality does not mean it is going away. Bill Demott kept his job in developmental for quite awhile even after his brutish tactics got made public. He only lost his job because it was best for business. Roman got no control over his booking or destiny. He is not John Cena. Creative and the front office holds his fate. Just a pawn in the game of life.

So the guy who fought hardest to get his ass handed to him by Reigns a few months ago is now intentionally trying to tank him? Seriously?

Also I'd bet if you keep both beat downs the same and switch Ambrose and Reigns around, Reigns still gets booed. The problem is Reigns, not Triple H. We saw this exact same thing last year when Reigns was feuding with Lesnar. What's the common denominator here, because it isn't Triple H.

Maybe it's more likely that some people just don't want to admit that Reigns isn't that over.

If you buy into a story relayed by a Klique member as the truth, sure. People here and around the Net want to act like Roman was never over. Like he has to be carried in every match. All his promos suck. Don't blame the creative genius who wrote the shit promos or booked him like a goof. Blame Roman for it all. When Roman was winning people back over, some here refuse to admit it was happening. "It don't count because this crowd is casual fans. His opponent did all of the work." People act like the notion of someone tanking a match/feud is unreal. What is unreal is being naive about that it can happen. Guess it is only true if the victim is someone they like.

[Magic knows Black Lives Matter]

The way I see it is he did the exact same shit with John Cena in 2006. People can point to NXT and all this other stuff that they want but at the end of the day, it's still HHH. I have no reason to think he wouldn't do the same thing in 2016 here with Roman Reigns. You don't beat the shit out of someone in a fair fight and then crotch chop them (something that's gonna be a babyface reaction no matter what) if you are legitimately trying to get someone over as a mega babyface. Unless you're a goddamn idiot, of course, but HHH clearly isn't that.

The Cerebral Assassin, kids. It's not just a gimmick. He's smart enough that he's turned the IWC perception of him around by playing to what they want and now he can get away with stuff like this virtually scot-free while relying on the "it's all Vince!!!" excuse.

[EvenBaldobombHasAJob]

I sincerely doubt Triple H is intentionally burying a guy he himself hand-picked, it's more a combo of Trips trying to be a "cool heel" at the same time and Roman just not being good enough.

[thecrusherwi]

Mar 13, 2016 8:43:54 GMT -5 Magic knows Black Lives Matter said:

The way I see it is he did the exact same shit with John Cena in 2006. People can point to NXT and all this other stuff that they want but at the end of the day, it's still HHH. I have no reason to think he wouldn't do the same thing in 2016 here with Roman Reigns. You don't beat the shit out of someone in a fair fight and then crotch chop them (something that's gonna be a babyface reaction no matter what) if you are legitimately trying to get someone over as a mega babyface. Unless you're a goddamn idiot, of course, but HHH clearly isn't that.

The Cerebral Assassin, kids. It's not just a gimmick. He's smart enough that he's turned the IWC perception of him around by playing to what they want and now he can get away with stuff like this virtually scot-free while relying on the "it's all Vince!!!" excuse.

The 2006 Cena feud is there for me to. It will always make me look at Triple H's stated intentions with skepticism. If we would do that in 2006 when he was still a full time talent trying to prove his potential as management, what will he do in 2016 when he's entrenched and bulletproof as one of the 3-5 most powerful people in the company? This is probably how Triple H goes through a midlife crisis. Seeing him with the belt in recent weeks, he's carrying himself like the 40 year old ex-star high school quarterback wearing his letterman jacket and carrying around the game ball from State.

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If Triple H is intentionally burying Roman Reigns, I think Roman is being pushed too hard for what he brings to the table so I'm not really bothered. Triple H has never stopped being a snake in my eyes so it's not surprising to me. If he's not intentionally doing it, he's just usual dopey cool-heel Triple H, what else is new? There's hearsay both ways about Vince loving Roman and Triple H saying Roman over Big E, so that's a wash.

I really don't care about this, is what I'm getting at. Not trying to shit on the thread or anything. I just find it kind of remarkable how little I care about the people involved, being that it's between 2 important heir-apparents.

My enjoyment of WWE, for the most part, doesn't tend to come from the main event scene. There was that period of CM Punk holding the title and making the main event the best part of the show again, but that has passed. But since I started watching again in 2008, I mostly tolerated the main event picture and watched for the other stuff. And there's more content than ever now outside of the main event scene, so its impact on the show is lessened.

WrestleMania is probably going to be really good, the Raw after will probably be even better. Reigns vs. Triple H *mimes jerking off motion* whatever. It's wrestler I don't care about that much vs. the guy who's always been a drag. NXT is cool but it doesn't change what I think about Triple H.

[xCompackx]

Mar 13, 2016 8:25:01 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

Mar 13, 2016 8:11:10 GMT -5 Starshine said:

So the guy who fought hardest to get his ass handed to him by Reigns a few months ago is now intentionally trying to tank him? Seriously?

Also I'd bet if you keep both beat downs the same and switch Ambrose and Reigns around, Reigns still gets booed. The problem is Reigns, not Triple H. We saw this exact same thing last year when Reigns was feuding with Lesnar. What's the common denominator here, because it isn't Triple H.

Maybe it's more likely that some people just don't want to admit that Reigns isn't that over.

If you buy into a story relayed by a Klique member as the truth, sure. People here and around the Net want to act like Roman was never over. Like he has to be carried in every match. All his promos suck. Don't blame the creative genius who wrote the shit promos or booked him like a goof. Blame Roman for it all. When Roman was winning people back over, some here refuse to admit it was happening. "It don't count because this crowd is casual fans. His opponent did all of the work." People act like the notion of someone tanking a match/feud is unreal. What is unreal is being naive about that it can happen. Guess it is only true if the victim is someone they like.

I like Roman Reigns as a talent and I love what he accomplished as part of The Shield, but I have to ask this question: Was Roman Reigns ever that over as a singles guy? Not saying he hasn't had good matches and I'm not saying that all of his promos have been awful, but I can't remember a specific time where the crowd was solidly behind him.

[Indiana Miz]

Mar 13, 2016 9:40:32 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Mar 13, 2016 8:25:01 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

If you buy into a story relayed by a Klique member as the truth, sure. People here and around the Net want to act like Roman was never over. Like he has to be carried in every match. All his promos suck. Don't blame the creative genius who wrote the shit promos or booked him like a goof. Blame Roman for it all. When Roman was winning people back over, some here refuse to admit it was happening. "It don't count because this crowd is casual fans. His opponent did all of the work." People act like the notion of someone tanking a match/feud is unreal. What is unreal is being naive about that it can happen. Guess it is only true if the victim is someone they like.

I like Roman Reigns as a talent and I love what he accomplished as part of The Shield, but I have to ask this question: Was Roman Reigns ever that over as a singles guy? Not saying he hasn't had good matches and I'm not saying that all of his promos have been awful, but I can't remember a specific time where the crowd was solidly behind him.

Whenever he's not in the World Title picture the crowd seems to love him. For a while, he and Ambrose were tied for the most popular babyfaces not named John Cena or Daniel Bryan.

[kingoftheindies]

Mar 13, 2016 9:40:32 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

Mar 13, 2016 8:25:01 GMT -5 ________ has left the building said:

If you buy into a story relayed by a Klique member as the truth, sure. People here and around the Net want to act like Roman was never over. Like he has to be carried in every match. All his promos suck. Don't blame the creative genius who wrote the shit promos or booked him like a goof. Blame Roman for it all. When Roman was winning people back over, some here refuse to admit it was happening. "It don't count because this crowd is casual fans. His opponent did all of the work." People act like the notion of someone tanking a match/feud is unreal. What is unreal is being naive about that it can happen. Guess it is only true if the victim is someone they like.

I like Roman Reigns as a talent and I love what he accomplished as part of The Shield, but I have to ask this question: Was Roman Reigns ever that over as a singles guy? Not saying he hasn't had good matches and I'm not saying that all of his promos have been awful, but I can't remember a specific time where the crowd was solidly behind him.

He was over post Shield breakup until his injury, then when he came back WWE changed how he acted and the crowd soured. Then he started to regain his mojo during the Wyatt feud, and even had support during his feud with Sheamus, but again they ruined it with the Rumble build up and then Fastlane.

[darkjourney]

Mar 12, 2016 23:13:28 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Roman flopping makes Triple H look like he doesn't know what he's doing because he's the one who picked him as the next top guy. What's going on now is a genuine attempt to make this work, at least within what little he's being allowed to do under the crushing weight of Vince's foot.

HHH doesn't exactly have a track record for creating superstars. (Roman, Rollins, Sheamus etc) ALL FLOPS .

Thats why I don't understand this mentality everyone has that HHH is the right successor to Vince. Unless you have drawing superstars, you're product is going to suffer. HHH hasn't shown anywhere he can do that

[r.]

Mar 13, 2016 10:06:45 GMT -5 darkjourney said:

Mar 12, 2016 23:13:28 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Roman flopping makes Triple H look like he doesn't know what he's doing because he's the one who picked him as the next top guy. What's going on now is a genuine attempt to make this work, at least within what little he's being allowed to do under the crushing weight of Vince's foot.

HHH doesn't exactly have a track record for creating superstars. (Roman, Rollins, Sheamus etc) ALL FLOPS .

Thats why I don't understand this mentality everyone has that HHH is the right successor to Vince. Unless you have drawing superstars, you're product is going to suffer. HHH hasn't shown anywhere he can do that

Rollins was a flop, You sure you're watching the same product?

Also who is etc? Is it a wrestler or implied filler of more names that don't actually exist.

[darkjourney]

Mar 13, 2016 10:33:25 GMT -5 r. said:

Mar 13, 2016 10:06:45 GMT -5 darkjourney said:

HHH doesn't exactly have a track record for creating superstars. (Roman, Rollins, Sheamus etc) ALL FLOPS .

Thats why I don't understand this mentality everyone has that HHH is the right successor to Vince. Unless you have drawing superstars, you're product is going to suffer. HHH hasn't shown anywhere he can do that

Rollins was a flop, You sure you're watching the same product?

Also who is etc? Is it a wrestler or implied filler of more names that don't actually exist.

Yep Rollins was a flop as a drawing main eventer. Look at the numbers. Granted, their booking of the guy was pathetic but they also may have done irreparable damage to him.

Under Rollins as world champ they lost like 500,000 viewers between him and Reigns.

They should have pushed Ambrose over both Reigns/Rollins. A lot of people said that from that start and its looking to be true. Of course, booking wise they are ruining Ambrose as well now. Just like they did with Rollins

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Mar 13, 2016 9:51:32 GMT -5 Indiana Miz said:

Mar 13, 2016 9:40:32 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

I like Roman Reigns as a talent and I love what he accomplished as part of The Shield, but I have to ask this question: Was Roman Reigns ever that over as a singles guy? Not saying he hasn't had good matches and I'm not saying that all of his promos have been awful, but I can't remember a specific time where the crowd was solidly behind him.

Whenever he's not in the World Title picture the crowd seems to love him. For a while, he and Ambrose were tied for the most popular babyfaces not named John Cena or Daniel Bryan.

I made an analogy a while back about us just wanting to be friends with Roman but he keeps trying to bang. It continues to hold true. Once in a while we might get a little drunk and think about it, but in the end, I think people want him in the upper-midcard friend-zone.

[r.]

Mar 13, 2016 10:35:36 GMT -5 darkjourney said:

Mar 13, 2016 10:33:25 GMT -5 r. said:

Rollins was a flop, You sure you're watching the same product?

Also who is etc? Is it a wrestler or implied filler of more names that don't actually exist.

Yep Rollins was a flop as a drawing main eventer. Look at the numbers. Granted, their booking of the guy was pathetic but they also may have done irreparable damage to him.

Under Rollins as world champ they lost like 500,000 viewers between him and Reigns.

They should have pushed Ambrose over both Reigns/Rollins. A lot of people said that from that start and its looking to be true. Of course, booking wise they are ruining Ambrose as well now. Just like they did with Rollins

I'd like a source for those numbers.(No snark I'm genuinely curious) He was a pretty over heel and when he comes back he'll likely get a babyface pop though I suspect he will remain heel.

I agree with you on Ambrose.

[Tiger Millionaire]

Outside of Daniel Bryan, who in this Authority storyline, which has been going on for years, has ended up looking better? Very few, and that is debatable if they wouldn't have done better without it. It's a blackhole that sucks anything in it. Ambrose's saving grace has been he has feuded with Owens, Wyatt, and not just been stuck in this loop.

[Allie Kitsune]

Mar 12, 2016 23:21:49 GMT -5 Lizuka #BLM said:

Mar 12, 2016 23:16:15 GMT -5 TWERKIN' MAGGLE said:

If they hadn't gone back to "hilarious" Roman after he beat the shit out of Hunter, none of this would be necessary. Vince wants Roman to be his white meat babyface and everyone will learn to love it so Vince can get off to people cheering his new Hogan.

That all said, booking Hunter the way they are isn't only not helping Roman, it's hurting him more. If Hunter is unwilling to be a coward, put someone in there who isn't Sheamus who will.

I'd put the blame WAY more on the stupid One vs. All thing than on the attitude change. That sure as shit hasn't helped, but that right there was basically the ultimate in, "This is John Cena 2.0."

Shit, that kind of took it a step FURTHER.

"One vs. All"?

Well the fans would be included in "All".

[thelonewolf527]

Triple H was the one who wanted Roman to beat Lesnar last year when Vince wanted The Rock, so I'll say "no."

[The Ichi]

See, I don't believe this and I do think come Mania he'll do the right thing and lose. HOWEVER, I also think that he sees the poor response Reigns is getting and just can't help himself into doing stuff like the suspiciously face-like beatdown on Reigns just to get some smark points. He acted in a similar way against Cena 10 years ago.