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Post by HMARK Center on Mar 29, 2016 7:43:22 GMT -5
I just can't stand how scummy it is to take an idea from someone who's now dead, twist it to fit your own shady agenda, and then act like it's what the person wanted when he's not around to say otherwise. Not at all saying that Connor shouldn't have received an award; I thought that was absolutely fantastic that they honored him in that fashion. But the way they're going about promoting it is terrible. The general concept is fine for what it is, and if his family is OK enough with it to allow WWE to use his name and likeness for it, then I can't question that part of it... Their only fault really is claiming that it was what Warrior was mentioning in his speech, because that's a straight out lie, unfortunately. A lot of the bad feeling still stems from that tweet last year from Stephanie saying how "philanthropy is the new PR" or whatever; it makes it tough to look at WWE doing anything positive and take it as altruistic, because, well, their head of branding just said it wasn't for altruistic reasons. A lot of people got on Justin Roberts for what he wrote about his experiences with Connor, but it all fits into the way things have played out. Granted, such skepticism about their motives could be applied to any large scale corporate entity that does any sort of highly visible charity work, but again, Steph's tweet probably left a really bad taste in a lot of folks' mouths.
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Post by Push R Truth on Mar 29, 2016 7:52:54 GMT -5
In my opinion, if the crowd boos Joan off the stage we deserve nothing but Roman Reigns and Eva Marie face runs for a decade.
I just find it hard to sit back and say "I'm going to boo this cancer survivor that is trying to drum up support" unless Joan goes out there and cuts a scathing heel promo that pisses the world off.
Although if she cuts an 80's style coke fueled promo against Cancer it might be the actual Greatest Thing in the History of our Sport.
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Post by Hanzo on Mar 29, 2016 8:07:00 GMT -5
\ Just like the unimpressed Ric Flair pic years back, this pic never fails to crack me up.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 29, 2016 8:09:59 GMT -5
His wife has went on record and said she was fine with the Warrior award and thinks that Warrior would be fine with it too. They really should stop trying to state that it was what Warrior was talking about in his speech because that is a lie that is easily disproved... but the man's family who know him way better than any one of us are fine with it. I just find it hard to sit back and say "I'm going to boo this cancer survivor that is trying to drum up support" unless Joan goes out there and cuts a scathing heel promo that pisses the world off. Although if she cuts an 80's style coke fueled promo against Cancer it might be the actual Greatest Thing in the History of our Sport. Seriously, she got a mammogram live on television as a piece to show how important it is for women to get one... It was especially important for her because again it turned out she had cancer. Kinda proving the point that even if you feel fine and look healthy... get one anyone as it can and will save your life.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Mar 29, 2016 8:18:08 GMT -5
let me get this right, a cancer survivor who is/was a minor celebrity took up 5/10 minutes of wwe programming in total?
and people are bitching about it?
this section of the board baffles me sometimes.
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Post by paywindah on Mar 29, 2016 8:25:58 GMT -5
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Post by Stu on Mar 29, 2016 8:44:40 GMT -5
There are at least five people in this thread who I'd boo before Joan Lunden. The mentality of our members really pisses me off sometimes. let me get this right, a cancer survivor who is/was a minor celebrity took up 5/10 minutes of wwe programming in total? and people are bitching about it? We should add that she took 5/10 minutes of a three-hour show that people bitch about being 60 minutes too long. A 5/10-minute segment is less than five percent of the entire damn show (not including an overrun)
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Post by CeilingFan on Mar 29, 2016 8:48:31 GMT -5
Joan Lunden is going to come out during the main event and look like she's going to help Reigns and then kick him in the balls and form a new nWo with Triple H
New Boom Period!
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Post by King Boo on Mar 29, 2016 8:50:53 GMT -5
I'd say I can't believe some people are actually pissed at this, but that'd be disingenuous.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 29, 2016 9:01:31 GMT -5
Goes completely against Warrior's whole point of honoring people in the industry who work behind the curtain. Nothing new I guess Connor the crusher didn't work behind the curtain either, no one was complaining last year. I kinda did. It's one of those things that if you speak up, it's going to make you sound like you're against what WWE did, which I'm not. It's more about twisting and manipulating someone else's words to fit what I see as not much more than a PR move. I think there's better ways to give these people commemoration, without using the HOF platform.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 9:04:00 GMT -5
I'm all about honoring cancer victims and survivors, it's using this to promote Susan G. Komen and their shady dealings that makes this feel funny to me.
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Post by Stu on Mar 29, 2016 9:10:06 GMT -5
Connor the crusher didn't work behind the curtain either, no one was complaining last year. I kinda did. It's one of those things that if you speak up, it's going to make you sound like you're against what WWE did, which I'm not. It's more about twisting and manipulating someone else's words to fit what I see as not much more than a PR move. I think there's better ways to give these people commemoration, without using the HOF platform. That's all well and good. But my gripe is with people who think it's right to boo a legitimate cancer survivor simply because they don't think she should be on stage at all.
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 9:10:15 GMT -5
Only on this board would people have a problem with a cancer survivor getting airtime and an award that honestly doesn't hold any merit. Also that comment about people watching RAW as worse off than people battling cancer was disgusting.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 9:15:37 GMT -5
In my opinion, if the crowd boos Joan off the stage we deserve nothing but Roman Reigns and Eva Marie face runs for a decade. I just find it hard to sit back and say "I'm going to boo this cancer survivor that is trying to drum up support" unless Joan goes out there and cuts a scathing heel promo that pisses the world off. Although if she cuts an 80's style coke fueled promo against Cancer it might be the actual Greatest Thing in the History of our Sport. Of course not, don't boo the people. Just file away under "WWE's full of it". Damn, I'm gonna need another filing cabinet.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Mar 29, 2016 9:16:41 GMT -5
What some people have said in this thread is no worse than what WWE has actually done, which is twisting a dead man's words around so they can get good PR from cancer patients.
Yeah, Dana Warrior said it was fine and yeah maybe WWE does this out of the kindness of their heart, but I don't buy it. WWE has already publicly backed the idea that philanthropy is just to further their own brand, so I have no reason to trust their intentions are honest.
They're ignoring their own hard working underappreciated staff (Jimmy Miranda for example, who worked for WWE for years and died at aged 39) and they get zero recognition, in favour of a celebrity who will get them mentioned in articles and news stories.
Don't get me wrong, I completely disagree the idea of booing this Joan Lunden woman. She's done nothing wrong. But let's not act like this is some amazing beautiful tribute that's happening and not just WWE acting like scumbags yet again.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 29, 2016 9:34:58 GMT -5
Its ALL about honoring those who are struggling so said the Warrior so says Michael Cole. Not to sound heartless but I wouldn't be surprised to see Joan Londen get What chants during her speech. Is it wrong for me to hope for this to happen? Yes.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 29, 2016 9:35:15 GMT -5
I'd say I can't believe some people are actually pissed at this, but that'd be disingenuous. In case you're including my comment in this, I just want to be clear: I have no problem at all with Joan Lunden receiving an award; I think it's great! My complaint is only that they're trying to deceive us into thinking the Warrior Award was originally meant to be this. If Warrior's family is cool with it, great, but that's all I was saying.
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Post by MrElijah on Mar 29, 2016 9:39:33 GMT -5
In my opinion, if the crowd boos Joan off the stage we deserve nothing but Roman Reigns and Eva Marie face runs for a decade. I just find it hard to sit back and say "I'm going to boo this cancer survivor that is trying to drum up support" unless Joan goes out there and cuts a scathing heel promo that pisses the world off. Although if she cuts an 80's style coke fueled promo against Cancer it might be the actual Greatest Thing in the History of our Sport. Damn it now I want Bret, Jim Duggan(Guys who battled Cancer) and the Spirt of Roddy Piper cut the most insane promo(which would break all FCC regulations) ever against Cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 9:53:21 GMT -5
Only on this board would people have a problem with a cancer survivor getting airtime and an award that honestly doesn't hold any merit. Also that comment about people watching RAW as worse off than people battling cancer was disgusting. This is a pet peeve of mine...over-simplifying an issue and going for pure emotional appeals, like "how COULD you feel this way?" Because I'm able to step back, use reason, and examine motives, rather than get swept up in feels and cast guilt on others who don't feel the same. I'm not against them getting airtime or an award or recognition, and the Hall of Fame ceremony isn't really on my must-watch list anyway. But it does bother me that they twisted what Warrior said in order to give their PR-driven award more juice, and since Warrior's dead they can just do that and not be called on it. If they wanted to do something like this, they could've easily done so without stamping Warrior's name on it. That would at least remove one layer of bullshit from the scenario. And yes it bothered me last year too, but I didn't want to get bombarded by "CONNOR THE CRUSHER THOUGH" posts. And even that whole thing is dubious, seeing as Justin Roberts was the one to reach out to Connor first and it was just about Connor getting to meet his favorite wrestlers and go to WrestleMania, but WWE manipulated the story and turned it into business. They exploit cancer and peoples' emotions for PR. And what further drives me up a wall is that this is viewed as acceptable, even worthy of praise, by people so caught up in the "it's about cancer, thus it is above any and all reproach" view. I'll just stop, but this is the sort of thing that makes me hate supporting this company, MUCH more than any booking decision. Of course, most giant corporations operate the same way, so to not support such bullshit I'd need to be off the grid completely.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Mar 29, 2016 9:57:59 GMT -5
I have no problem with naming the award after Warrior even if it's not what he asked for. I have no problem with Joan London (and if people boo her, they have graduated to a whole new level of shitbag). My problem is how this is so transparently about the publicity and not about cancer awareness or celebrating cancer survivors.
My problem with this stuff goes way beyond WWE though. The NFL is an even worse example. They have a fan base primarily made of middle aged men who would be well off having prostate cancer awareness drilled into their brains for a month, but the NFL, and the WWE, would rather jump on the beyond-crowded (but more well recognized) breast cancer awareness bandwagon because the goal is not to raise awareness; its to get credit for being a caring company, sell a shit ton of pink merchandise (very little of which goes to charity - and most of it that does goes to Komen), and to try and grow their female fanbase.
It's marketing. Nothing more.
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