lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:42:11 GMT -5
I don't give a shit keep going. It's not gonna change my mind or my views. I obviously can separate Vince's crazy psyochotic ass from the rest of the company Until he retires or kicks it, Vince's crazy ass IS the company, along with feminist icon Steph and backstage politics asshole Trips. The only one with great PR here is Shane, and he's not actually part of the company management anymore. It'll be in better hands once Vince is gone. Whether or not you agree with Hunter and Steph's style they've given the WWE better PR in years than crazy ass Vince. And whether or not they have good motives, you have to admit they're repaired bridges that were thought to have been burnt a long time ago. And they're PR with anti-bullying and cancer awareness has been superb, they've at least made wrestling fans to a lot of casuals who watched with me from their charity work
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2016 13:43:43 GMT -5
The woman survived the WCW Power Plant and cancer, this is the least she deserves. On a serious note, you don't have to agree with the Warrior Award or how it is being used, I understand that thought and there is a lot to it I agree with but if you want to be one of those stains that "What" or "Boo"s her, sell your ticket then take the profit and head to Six Flags or the Dallas World Aquarium. Go have fun and do something that that doesn't reinforce the belief that wrestling fans are Neanderthals and jackasses. If you have to be at the Hall, pull out the phone and play a game on silent (you and the phone). This isn't WWE weekly tv, there are no heels in this situation except the ones in the crowd who cannot figure that out. Indeed. As a great man once said, over and over: "Don't hate the player. Hate the game." ps save the drama for your mama
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lucas_lee
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 13:47:15 GMT -5
The woman survived the WCW Power Plant and cancer, this is the least she deserves. On a serious note, you don't have to agree with the Warrior Award or how it is being used, I understand that thought and there is a lot to it I agree with but if you want to be one of those stains that "What" or "Boo"s her, sell your ticket then take the profit and head to Six Flags or the Dallas World Aquarium. Go have fun and do something that that doesn't reinforce the belief that wrestling fans are Neanderthals and jackasses. If you have to be at the Hall, pull out the phone and play a game on silent (you and the phone). This isn't WWE weekly tv, there are no heels in this situation except the ones in the crowd who cannot figure that out. I agree with this so much and for people saying that booing can be justified, it pretty much proves my point and this guys point.
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Post by SkullTrauma on Mar 29, 2016 13:58:21 GMT -5
Go have fun and do something that that doesn't reinforce the belief that wrestling fans are Neanderthals and jackasses. you're kidding yourself if you think most of us aren't.
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Mar 29, 2016 14:03:45 GMT -5
I doubt she will be booed or heckled anyway, at least not by any sizeable amount of people. You always get one or two dickheads but that's life.
The fans at Raw on Monday (who were pretty lively themselves) all seemed to give her video a nice applause after it was played.
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Post by Andy Martin on Mar 29, 2016 14:09:39 GMT -5
Go have fun and do something that that doesn't reinforce the belief that wrestling fans are Neanderthals and jackasses. you're kidding yourself if you think most of us aren't. Yeah, there are A LOOOOOOT of idiots out there, unfortunately.
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Post by Ganon83 on Mar 29, 2016 14:58:36 GMT -5
The hall of fame as a whole is meant as a way to get press for Wrestlemania. This class is pretty lackluster sans Sting, Hansen, and the Freebirds, so any press is good press. I'm just happy this lady gets a few minutes to discuss surviving cancer. I'm pretty sure the fans will behave and not boo her. But maybe I'm setting my moral bar too high for wrestling fans, because time and time again I'm disappointed at how classless we can be sometimes Year in and year out the HOF crowd is the worst. Every five minutes they chant "you still got it", "one more match", "what?", or they just crap all over a speech. I have no faith in them at this point
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metylerca
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Post by metylerca on Mar 29, 2016 15:10:06 GMT -5
5/10 minutes on a WWE hall of fame show. She's not taking minutes away from an Alex Riley NXT squash. She's accepting an award, has been on WWE programming before and given the parameters for this Warrior Award, she fits the mold of recipients. "Better used" implies she's taking valuable screentime from someone you like and that really isn't the case here. Saying RAW viewers have it bad or worse to a friggin cancer patient is the worst type of thing a wrestling fan can do with a straight face. Implying she doesn't earn her spot because she's not on television regularly misses the point. This award isn't a halo over WWE's head, it's marketing, I get that. But it's still 5/10 minutes on an internet broadcast that has no time limit because it's on the internet. The opposing viewpoint to this is wrong by simply opposing in this case. There is no defense. First, don't invoke Alex Riley's name in a thread that has nothing to do with him to try to "invalidate" my argument. Second If people are going to boo/"WHAT!" her, then WWE deserves some flack for putting her in that kind of position. They're exposing her to those kind of people just because they want to exploit her illness in an attempt to get PR points. They could just as easily award her quietly offscreen like they do with some of the Slammys. I merely used the man's name as an example of one person not getting shafted by this clearly PR-induced award. You're our resident Riley fan, so no harm is meant. In regards to audience reaction, I truly doubt the fans would be that classless to boo a cancer survivor. If Roman Reigns walked her on-stage, arm in arm, then I guess there's your out. But if she trots out, says her piece and awaits applause, there is no harm in that. If you're watching live on the Network, you could step out to grab a bite and return to see Jacqueline reminisce about being Chavo Sr. that one time on Smackdown.
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Post by metylerca on Mar 29, 2016 15:13:37 GMT -5
I'm gonna say this every year until they get it right, but Warrior requested the award to be for the behind-the-scenes people, like the technicians that work in Gorilla Position, the seamstresses, and the camera crew. Something WWE apparently doesn't want to ever acknowledge. I get that they want to instead devote it to human interest stories, and I'm not trying to sound like an ogre because I get the point, but it goes against his wishes. That's my main issue with the award. What if..... What if..... There is a Jimmy Miranda Award, except only the people backstage know about it? ![:o](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/shocked.png)
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 29, 2016 15:15:48 GMT -5
In my opinion, if the crowd boos Joan off the stage we deserve nothing but Roman Reigns and Eva Marie face runs for a decade. Whoa, don't associate my dreams with this foolishness.
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Post by Fade on Mar 29, 2016 15:23:38 GMT -5
I'm torn. But it's essentially the WWE PR SJW award.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 29, 2016 15:26:06 GMT -5
I'm torn. But it's essentially the WWE PR SJW award. It would be so funny if they unironically expanded the name to "Social Justice Warrior Award".
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Post by hbkid718 on Mar 29, 2016 15:29:13 GMT -5
Connor last year & Joan Lunden this year define the word Warrior. Therefore, they deserve the Warrior Award. Yes, it's not what Warrior was talking about. But, they've only done 2 of these Awards. Who knows what's going to happen next year. Maybe, they'll go back to Warrior's idea and give to someone behind the scenes. For everything that she has gone through, Ms. Lunden deserves this honor. And, if people boo her when she comes out, they should be kicked out of the building. I get free speech and they bought their ticket, blah, blah, blah, but that would be the most disrespectful thing you can do. I hated it when Maria Menounos got booed when she inducted Bob Backlund. The Hall of Fame should be a respectful event. Maybe they should go back to it being a private event for just the wrestlers, like it was back in the day, instead in front of a rowdy crowd in an arena.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 29, 2016 15:30:39 GMT -5
I'm torn. But it's essentially the WWE PR SJW award. I'm genuinely baffled at what this has to do with 'SJW's. Like, the term's overused online, but this just seems completely out of left field. Cancer victims are SJWs now? Explanation, please?
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Post by Fade on Mar 29, 2016 15:36:53 GMT -5
I'm torn. But it's essentially the WWE PR SJW award. I'm genuinely baffled at what this has to do with 'SJW's. Like, the term's overused online, but this just seems completely out of left field. Cancer victims are SJWs now? Explanation, please? Chill, I never said that. What Im implying is that it triumphs the WWE as an organization that cares about victims or those terribly afflicted in society. And while they do, I'd bet both my left and right arm it stems more from a business vantage view, than an authentic one.
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Post by kendrickisking on Mar 29, 2016 15:41:50 GMT -5
So according to this thread all you have to do to be heroic is be a rich white person who got cancer. You don't have to actually do anything heroic.People in here are acting like this lady is Jackie Robinson or Frederick Douglass. She's not. She's just some lady who got cancer. Who cares if wrestling fans boo her? They aren't booing Lincoln and Hamlin . They're booing a person seventy percent of the American population doesn't recognize. Not Nelson Mandela.
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Post by hbkid718 on Mar 29, 2016 15:50:12 GMT -5
So according to this thread all you have to do to be heroic is be a rich white person who got cancer. You don't have to actually do anything heroic.People in here are acting like this lady is Jackie Robinson or Frederick Douglass. She's not. She's just some lady who got cancer. Who cares if wrestling fans boo her? They aren't booing Lincoln and Hamlin . They're booing a person seventy percent of the American population doesn't recognize. Not Nelson Mandela. It doesn't matter that no one knows who she is. They should still show her respect. She survived Breast Cancer. I know millions of people have done that, including my Mother, but she went through all of her treatments on national TV. So, she should not get booed.
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Post by lws on Mar 29, 2016 15:51:59 GMT -5
i just kinda skimsied through this thread, and i gotta say there's a lot of salient points and a lot of pretty dumb points on both sides. but i'm going to pose a question that i don't think i saw yet, although someone did spark the thought:
what happens when they reach out to some random celebrity who has or had cancer, offer them the warrior award, and then that celebrity publicly refuses the award because warrior was openly and loudly homophobic? or even, the celebrity accepts the award bc its just some award for cancer survivors apparently, and sure, they're a warrior, heck ya, but then a little bit down the line someone goes "hey, did you know that award you won is named after a man who said 'queering don't make the world work?" and they freak out and denounce the award.
or even just, its a celebrity who has cancer but is also kind of cynical, like some late night talk show host or something (i hope none ever even get the flu after this post), who then dedicates a segment or episode of their show to how the whole thing is nice, its cancer research, but also its obviously just some bullshit publicity stunt made by people who openly don't care about actual cancer research.
connor was a dying child and joan has apparently worked with them in the past, but i feel like they could ask the wrong person about this and have it blow up on them.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 29, 2016 15:59:03 GMT -5
I'm torn. But it's essentially the WWE PR SJW award. I'm genuinely baffled at what this has to do with 'SJW's. Like, the term's overused online, but this just seems completely out of left field. Cancer victims are SJWs now? Explanation, please? I don't know about you, but when I see "SJW" used it means time to abandon thread. Because no matter your opinion the sides are starting to form.
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Mar 29, 2016 16:08:16 GMT -5
This took an interesting turn. Must be WrestleMania season. Gonna let you guys cool down for a bit. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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