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Post by Lupin the Third on Mar 29, 2016 10:02:53 GMT -5
There are at least five people in this thread who I'd boo before Joan Lunden. The mentality of our members really pisses me off sometimes. let me get this right, a cancer survivor who is/was a minor celebrity took up 5/10 minutes of wwe programming in total? and people are bitching about it? We should add that she took 5/10 minutes of a three-hour show that people bitch about being 60 minutes too long. A 5/10-minute segment is less than five percent of the entire damn show (not including an overrun) And look at it this way: It was 5-10 minutes less of having to hear Triple H bore us to death or Stephanie McMahon emasculating us to death. Plus, my mom had breast cancer, which was the disease that she succumbed to about 8 years ago. I have no problem with them showing a little bit of awareness to it. Even if they do exploit it.
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Post by James Fabiano on Mar 29, 2016 10:04:38 GMT -5
Its ALL about honoring those who are struggling so said the Warrior so says Michael Cole. Not to sound heartless but I wouldn't be surprised to see Joan Londen get What chants during her speech. I think this is total BS.
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Mar 29, 2016 10:20:53 GMT -5
I would actually be perfectly fine with the "Warrior Award" being given to people like Connor and the like, and the WWE also awarding a "Jimmy Miranda Award" like Warrior wanted for the backstage people. I did feel wrong with Cole flat out lying about what Warrior talked about in his HOF speech, but I'm sure that was Vince and/or Steph telling him to say that.
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Post by Shy Guy on Mar 29, 2016 10:23:07 GMT -5
The first page of this thread makes me so sad
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Post by repomark on Mar 29, 2016 10:27:06 GMT -5
No one should have any issue with her receiving the award, she unquestionably deserves acknowledged.
I would also like to see Warrior's original idea - of backstage people receiving props at the hall of fame - being taken forward as well.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Mar 29, 2016 10:28:04 GMT -5
They should make an award to acknowledge wrestlers with anxiety called The Worrier Award
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Post by Aboutreika18 on Mar 29, 2016 10:29:19 GMT -5
When did all these bellends get on this forum?
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Post by lucas_lee on Mar 29, 2016 10:39:32 GMT -5
Only on this board would people have a problem with a cancer survivor getting airtime and an award that honestly doesn't hold any merit. Also that comment about people watching RAW as worse off than people battling cancer was disgusting. This is a pet peeve of mine...over-simplifying an issue and going for pure emotional appeals, like "how COULD you feel this way?" Because I'm able to step back, use reason, and examine motives, rather than get swept up in feels and cast guilt on others who don't feel the same. I'm not against them getting airtime or an award or recognition, and the Hall of Fame ceremony isn't really on my must-watch list anyway. But it does bother me that they twisted what Warrior said in order to give their PR-driven award more juice, and since Warrior's dead they can just do that and not be called on it. If they wanted to do something like this, they could've easily done so without stamping Warrior's name on it. That would at least remove one layer of bullshit from the scenario. And yes it bothered me last year too, but I didn't want to get bombarded by "CONNOR THE CRUSHER THOUGH" posts. And even that whole thing is dubious, seeing as Justin Roberts was the one to reach out to Connor first and it was just about Connor getting to meet his favorite wrestlers and go to WrestleMania, but WWE manipulated the story and turned it into business. They exploit cancer and peoples' emotions for PR. And what further drives me up a wall is that this is viewed as acceptable, even worthy of praise, by people so caught up in the "it's about cancer, thus it is above any and all reproach" view. I'll just stop, but this is the sort of thing that makes me hate supporting this company, MUCH more than any booking decision. Of course, most giant corporations operate the same way, so to not support such bullshit I'd need to be off the grid completely. Warrior's wife is cool with what the award stands for. I'm guessing we can disregard her too since she doesn't fit the narrative of what the hivemind on this board thinks. It's really harmless, regardless of the motives at least it's promoting something positive. I know a lot people on this board love to wallow and laugh at how much WWE sucks but I can't fault them for this move. Also I lost my best friend, my grandma, and my dad to some forms of different cancers. So more power to WWE for getting a survivor's voice out there. It saddens me that people look for motives instead of applauding this move. This cynicism is why I hate this board in general and why I rarely post
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Post by sonofsharknado on Mar 29, 2016 10:56:17 GMT -5
In my opinion, if the crowd boos Joan off the stage we deserve nothing but Roman Reigns and Eva Marie face runs for a decade. I just find it hard to sit back and say "I'm going to boo this cancer survivor that is trying to drum up support" unless Joan goes out there and cuts a scathing heel promo that pisses the world off. Although if she cuts an 80's style coke fueled promo against Cancer it might be the actual Greatest Thing in the History of our Sport. Damn it now I want Bret, Jim Duggan(Guys who battled Cancer) and the Spirt of Roddy Piper cut the most insane promo(which would break all FCC regulations) ever against Cancer. With Alan Rickman and David Bowie.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Mar 29, 2016 11:09:53 GMT -5
I agree with my fellow posters that this award isn't the original idea Warrior had. However, the fact is the award is given to people who show courage in the face of disease and Dana Warrior supports it. So I just feel this is a poor hill to die on. There are a lot of shitty things the WWE does and we should focus more on those than this.
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Post by jarolink on Mar 29, 2016 11:11:51 GMT -5
As much as I would want the Warrior Award to have it's idealistic format (acknowledging people behind the scenes like Jim Johnson, ring crew, people in the office) I can understand why they went the more PR way. As long as Warriors family and WWE are on the same page I'm fine with it. That being said, for me the problem with this version of the award is, who is worthy of it? Because as much as I don't agree with it I understand inducting Connor. He was a kid, a big fan of wrestling, plus they have been working a lot with the Connor Foundation, a feel good in memoriam of a fan. But this? This is a 100% PR stunt. I mean it's great that she had a long and impressive career, is a good mom and probably a great person in general. But why her? Why not the hundreds or thousands of others? The problem with giving such awards to people who are battling or have beaten a disease is how to "rank" them. For me it reeks of cynicism. We could induct this guy with stage 1 liver cancer, but wait, let's induct this gal who beat stage 4 bone cancer, but lost both her arms in the process. I mean this is turning it into a freak show around human tragedy and it's kinda disgusting when you think about it. I'm aware that it's more of a moral support, never give up and together we'll beat cancer, but in-between the lines it has some really ugly things crawling around.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 29, 2016 11:12:01 GMT -5
I'm amazed you actually bothered to post the image for once instead of your usual "whoarethesepeople.jpg". I wasnt sure if the image was "established" enough to where I could type it in "extension form" and people would get it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Mar 29, 2016 11:12:13 GMT -5
I would actually be perfectly fine with the "Warrior Award" being given to people like Connor and the like, and the WWE also awarding a "Jimmy Miranda Award" like Warrior wanted for the backstage people. I did feel wrong with Cole flat out lying about what Warrior talked about in his HOF speech, but I'm sure that was Vince and/or Steph telling him to say that. My thoughts exactly. There NEEDS to be an award for backstage talent, IMHO with Jim Johnston at the front of the line. I do also think it is ironic that the award named after Warrior has seemed to become a cancer awareness award considering Bret Hart's story about him refusing to meet with a dying child, and as far as I know never did anything related to cancer awareness From Bret's autobiography
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Post by Macho Pichu on Mar 29, 2016 11:20:39 GMT -5
Yeah, it changes what he wanted, but I'm not going to give them any crap over having an award for people battling things like diseases. I'm perfectly fine with them giving awards to people who fight deadly disease. It is slightly dishonest to name it after someone who requested an award for a different type of person, though.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Mar 29, 2016 11:24:39 GMT -5
Yeah, it changes what he wanted, but I'm not going to give them any crap over having an award for people battling things like diseases. I'm perfectly fine with them giving awards to people who fight deadly disease. It is slightly dishonest to name it after someone who requested an award for a different type of person, though. He didn't want that award to be named after him.
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Post by Zombie Mod on Mar 29, 2016 11:24:55 GMT -5
This is a pet peeve of mine...over-simplifying an issue and going for pure emotional appeals, like "how COULD you feel this way?" Because I'm able to step back, use reason, and examine motives, rather than get swept up in feels and cast guilt on others who don't feel the same. I'm not against them getting airtime or an award or recognition, and the Hall of Fame ceremony isn't really on my must-watch list anyway. But it does bother me that they twisted what Warrior said in order to give their PR-driven award more juice, and since Warrior's dead they can just do that and not be called on it. If they wanted to do something like this, they could've easily done so without stamping Warrior's name on it. That would at least remove one layer of bullshit from the scenario. And yes it bothered me last year too, but I didn't want to get bombarded by "CONNOR THE CRUSHER THOUGH" posts. And even that whole thing is dubious, seeing as Justin Roberts was the one to reach out to Connor first and it was just about Connor getting to meet his favorite wrestlers and go to WrestleMania, but WWE manipulated the story and turned it into business. They exploit cancer and peoples' emotions for PR. And what further drives me up a wall is that this is viewed as acceptable, even worthy of praise, by people so caught up in the "it's about cancer, thus it is above any and all reproach" view. I'll just stop, but this is the sort of thing that makes me hate supporting this company, MUCH more than any booking decision. Of course, most giant corporations operate the same way, so to not support such bullshit I'd need to be off the grid completely. Warrior's wife is cool with what the award stands for. I'm guessing we can disregard her too since she doesn't fit the narrative of what the hivemind on this board thinks. It's really harmless, regardless of the motives at least it's promoting something positive. I know a lot people on this board love to wallow and laugh at how much WWE sucks but I can't fault them for this move. Also I lost my best friend, my grandma, and my dad to some forms of different cancers. So more power to WWE for getting a survivor's voice out there. It saddens me that people look for motives instead of applauding this move. This cynicism is why I hate this board in general and why I rarely post I just want to point out there were plenty of opposing views in the thread, this place isn't a hive mind yet. not until we create hypnotoad but we're lacking funding for that.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 29, 2016 11:30:35 GMT -5
let me get this right, a cancer survivor who is/was a minor celebrity took up 5/10 minutes of wwe programming in total? and people are bitching about it? this section of the board baffles me sometimes. People are bitching about a minor celebrity with no connection to WWE whatsoever taking up 5/10 minutes of WWE programming that could've been better used. At least Connor the Crusher was an actual WWE fan that everyone backstage loved.
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Post by Macho Pichu on Mar 29, 2016 11:47:39 GMT -5
I'm perfectly fine with them giving awards to people who fight deadly disease. It is slightly dishonest to name it after someone who requested an award for a different type of person, though. He didn't want that award to be named after him. That's true. He never asked for any award to have his name attached. However, he did request another award and this one was created instead.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 29, 2016 11:54:21 GMT -5
They should make an award to acknowledge wrestlers with anxiety called The Worrier Award Eric Young hire confirmed
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Mar 29, 2016 11:58:14 GMT -5
Poor Warrior, the WWE is twisting his words. See, I agree with you, I think his words should stand for themselves, and people like Connor Michalek and Joan Lunden, people who have shown real bravery, should get an award that isn't a representation of a man who spent much of his adult life being a hateful racist sexist narcissist. It galls me that everyone in the WWE pretends this guy was some type of hero just because he has the misfortune of dying the day after he was inducted into the Hall of Fame before he could have stuck his foot in his mouth 10 more times. I know this may sound harsh, but Warrior was not a good person.
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