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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 12:01:33 GMT -5
In regards Mauro, it's only a matter of time before he gets the main gig because he has stated himself Cole is his biggest backer and supporter. I can see Cole fully going into backstage role within the next 2 years or so. The Main commentary was no where near good which is a shame. I did like the for the love of mankind line but other then that it was a extended edition of raw with annoying commentary. Cole has shown he can be good, JBL has fallen off a cliff and Byron is to vanilla for this role. Here's the thing: Byron is not bad at all. He's no Mauro, but once in awhile he make a good point. Problem is (besides whom he is working with), he talks in such a way that, 1) you don't recognize who it is, and, 2) there's no "bass" to his voice. His inflection is barely above a whisper. If Byron must talk, tell him to 'man up'. What movie was that where somebody told another guy, "If you want to be taken seriously, grab your balls and talk loud"? That's what Byron needs to do. I at least appreciate that with Byron it doesn't feel like he's as complacent as JBL and Michael Cole but I still don't think he's any better than the two of them. He comes off too "professional broadcaster" and when he goes out on a limb and tries to sell the emotion of something it just doesn't feel honest to me. It feels like he's going for soundbytes instead of really feeling it. The thing I loved about JR is that he felt like a guy who always came to work with a faith in humanity and a hope that these shithead wrestlers would get it together and just behave like sportsmen taking part in a sport and every time someone misbehaved that's another day tainted for him. You can hear his elation when two guys wrestle and are adults about it, you can feel his disappointment when wrestlers commit antisocial and destructive behavior as they often do, not a moment goes to waste. Today's commentary team just comes off so hardened by the shit they've seen now that when someone runs in it's called so matter of factly, it's just another day of work. Jim Ross comes to work with a faith in humanity and goes into every show with a clean slate and a belief that these guys can act honorably for the day. If Dean Ambrose hijacks an ambulance, goes to fight Brock Lesnar and Brock Lesnar stands on his throat this is a great failure for wrestling, sure, maybe you can respect the heart of Ambrose for trying but he shouldn't break the law, and this whole situation is animalistic behavior from both parties. With our current commentary team it's DEAN AMBROSE MAKING A STATEMENT. No one feels like real people, it's just tag lines, and a whole lot of deadpan just calling the action like they see it. JR did a good job on putting a human perspective that from our level the antics of these wrestlers are enormous and unique to that world, with JBL/Cole/Byron it just feels so plain.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2016 12:33:34 GMT -5
If you watch it back it actually looks like Cole is READING "For the love of Mankind" off his script. Damn. Taking your word for it, if that isn't a prime example of what's wrong with commentary, nothing is.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 4, 2016 12:40:10 GMT -5
Here's the thing: Byron is not bad at all. He's no Mauro, but once in awhile he make a good point. Problem is (besides whom he is working with), he talks in such a way that, 1) you don't recognize who it is, and, 2) there's no "bass" to his voice. His inflection is barely above a whisper. If Byron must talk, tell him to 'man up'. What movie was that where somebody told another guy, "If you want to be taken seriously, grab your balls and talk loud"? That's what Byron needs to do. I at least appreciate that with Byron it doesn't feel like he's as complacent as JBL and Michael Cole but I still don't think he's any better than the two of them. He comes off too "professional broadcaster" and when he goes out on a limb and tries to sell the emotion of something it just doesn't feel honest to me. It feels like he's going for soundbytes instead of really feeling it. The thing I loved about JR is that he felt like a guy who always came to work with a faith in humanity and a hope that these shithead wrestlers would get it together and just behave like sportsmen taking part in a sport and every time someone misbehaved that's another day tainted for him. You can hear his elation when two guys wrestle and are adults about it, you can feel his disappointment when wrestlers commit antisocial and destructive behavior as they often do, not a moment goes to waste. Today's commentary team just comes off so hardened by the shit they've seen now that when someone runs in it's called so matter of factly, it's just another day of work. Jim Ross comes to work with a faith in humanity and goes into every show with a clean slate and a belief that these guys can act honorably for the day. If Dean Ambrose hijacks an ambulance, goes to fight Brock Lesnar and Brock Lesnar stands on his throat this is a great failure for wrestling, sure, maybe you can respect the heart of Ambrose for trying but he shouldn't break the law, and this whole situation is animalistic behavior from both parties. With our current commentary team it's DEAN AMBROSE MAKING A STATEMENT. No one feels like real people, it's just tag lines, and a whole lot of deadpan just calling the action like they see it. JR did a good job on putting a human perspective that from our level the antics of these wrestlers are enormous and unique to that world, with JBL/Cole/Byron it just feels so plain. Your last point there is a huge one: commentators make the show insofar as they sell to the audience if what they're seeing is truly shocking, important, or noteworthy, or if it's just "eh, whatever, I knew they would do that". Selling something like Dean Ambrose highjacking a freaking ambulance as "making a statement" turns it into something that's just commonplace and expected, when it should be something that makes you go "what the hell, what's wrong this nutbar?" A commentator can take a super simple moment, even just somebody cheating with a steel chair, and turn it into a crime against humanity. These announcers took Flair interfering and influencing the outcome of the first new Women's Title match as a chance to say "Well, congratulations to Charlotte, let's move on", because apparently it's not important.
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Post by MrElijah on Apr 4, 2016 12:48:15 GMT -5
As it was said, previous announcers believed and so the audience believed.
-Gorilla believed any match can main event anywhere in the country -David Crockett, as horrible as he was, believed -Vince, at his hoekiest, believed -Tony Schavoine put it over as must see TV -Bobby Heenan took the piss but would always put over "this is the World Wrestling Federation, Only the best are here!" -JR put his heart in it.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on Apr 4, 2016 12:52:35 GMT -5
If you watch it back it actually looks like Cole is READING "For the love of Mankind" off his script. Damn. Taking your word for it, if that isn't a prime example of what's wrong with commentary, nothing is. I mean I don't know if he actually WAS reading it but as he says it he's looking at the paper in his hand and then puts it to his side and looks at Shane. If it was off the top of his head I don't know why he wouldn't be looking at him. But yeah. I can't imagine JR doing that kinda thing.
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Post by Rave on Apr 4, 2016 23:32:41 GMT -5
I read this earlier, laughed so hard, then promptly stole it for Raw tweeting purposes.
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Post by Ash Kingston on Apr 4, 2016 23:35:45 GMT -5
...sorry, I'm just trying to picture 5+ hours of listening to JBL on commentary, and I can't do it. I just can't freaking do it.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 4, 2016 23:45:55 GMT -5
I loved it when Rock was hyping the crowd showing how 'happy' they all were and when they threw to the crowd behind the announce team JBL, Cole and Saxton are just sitting there looking completely uninterested. Yeah, I mentioned that during the show, that got a chuckle from me.
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on Apr 4, 2016 23:53:56 GMT -5
I don't remember if it was the AJ match or ladder match, but there was a two minute period where all three announcers talked about how a different three or four second interval, "Could be a WrestleMania Moment!" Speaking in catchphrases is lazy and they should all be fined for it. Speaking of, just how many times was the phrase "WrestleMania Moment" mentioned at the show?
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 5, 2016 0:00:52 GMT -5
I actually liked "For the love of Mankind!". That was a pretty clever way of bringing up the Mankind bump without going into their usual Wikipedia-mode.
Otherwise though, they were bad.
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Post by HMARK Center on Apr 5, 2016 5:44:32 GMT -5
Just remembered another moment that nearly made my jaw drop: Shane kicked out of the Last Ride, and the commentators just gave it the most basic treatment in the world.
The 45+ year old non-wrestler just kicked out of Taker's death move, and they couldn't be bothered to even feign more than a slight bit of shock.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 5, 2016 5:57:58 GMT -5
The commentary is one of my least favourite parts of the show.
Cole's indifference and boredam, JBL braying and shouting shit, Saxton doing absolutely nothing.
It's terrible. I'm not even going to suggest bringing back JR because I thought he was bad too.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Apr 5, 2016 6:16:25 GMT -5
It's as though they don't even know why they should be there in the first f***ing place. Like their whole knowledge is, "Just ramble on for a while, throw out a few buzzwords. No one cares"
They put the Royal Rumble 92 on Bobby Heenan's DVD. He doesn't even appear on screen for the f***ing match until the post match interview, which didn't make the DVD.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 5, 2016 8:37:13 GMT -5
Like I've said before, way too much of the commentary team's incompetence gets pinned on Vince instead of the possibility that maybe they just aren't very good at their jobs.
JBL sucks ass. Cole is ok by himself but he also f***ing sucks by himself at times and he's got no business being the lead commentator of anything. Byron, god bless the dude, is useless.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Apr 5, 2016 8:45:20 GMT -5
The sad thing is they had a perfectly good commentator with that guy who did superstars for a while, forgot his name now, he was a fine commentator and seems to have disappeared. Also Regal from what I've heard of his commentary does a good job.
JBL is the worst. He needs to go.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Apr 5, 2016 9:01:41 GMT -5
The sad thing is they had a perfectly good commentator with that guy who did superstars for a while, forgot his name now, he was a fine commentator and seems to have disappeared. Scott Stanford? He's still around as the RAW Pre-Show host on the Network, but I don't think he was ever able to commit to a full-time run because of his sports anchor work in New York, I believe. But he was good. Had almost the same kind of authoritative tone in his voice as Ranallo.
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Post by DjZonk on Apr 5, 2016 9:07:21 GMT -5
Cole reading his lines from a sheet of paper - on camera - after Shane's bump takes it for me.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 5, 2016 9:12:52 GMT -5
The sad thing is they had a perfectly good commentator with that guy who did superstars for a while, forgot his name now, he was a fine commentator and seems to have disappeared. Also Regal from what I've heard of his commentary does a good job. JBL is the worst. He needs to go. Scott Stanford? WWE was never his full time job. He is a sports anchor in New York (and was lead news anchor for a little while as well) which takes up most of his time which is why he still appears in pretaped stuff like NXT's voice overs. The sad thing is they had a perfectly good commentator with that guy who did superstars for a while, forgot his name now, he was a fine commentator and seems to have disappeared. Scott Stanford? He's still around as the RAW Pre-Show host on the Network, but I don't think he was ever able to commit to a full-time run because of his sports anchor work in New York, I believe. But he was good. Had almost the same kind of authoritative tone in his voice as Ranallo. Blah beaten to it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 9:30:25 GMT -5
I haven't watched Smackdown in years, but from the Wrestlemania preshow, Mauro was just crazy good. Blows my mind that he's not on Raw.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Apr 5, 2016 9:31:38 GMT -5
Like I've said before, way too much of the commentary team's incompetence gets pinned on Vince instead of the possibility that maybe they just aren't very good at their jobs. JBL sucks ass. Cole is ok by himself but he also f***ing sucks by himself at times and he's got no business being the lead commentator of anything. Byron, god bless the dude, is useless. I'd dispute this because when these guys are put in situations where Vince isn't in their ear all the time, they dramatically improve. Beast in the East had great commentary, JBL used to be one of the best commentators, and hell, at the Hall of Fame and in his Legends series is good at his job.
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