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Post by wisdomwizard on Apr 30, 2016 16:10:30 GMT -5
I think the more aggravating thing with regards to this movie is that it's yet another example of Hollywood being completely devoid of fresh, new ideas and doing reboots/remakes/re-imaginings of things no one asked for, for no reason other than they're completely devoid of fresh, new ideas. Thing is, for a long while people DID want a Ghostbusters 3. If people stopped clamoring for it, it was likely only because of Harold Ramis' passing.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 30, 2016 16:10:36 GMT -5
I think the more aggravating thing with regards to this movie is that it's yet another example of Hollywood being completely devoid of fresh, new ideas and doing reboots/remakes/re-imaginings of things no one asked for, for no reason other than they're completely devoid of fresh, new ideas. Plus, if they called it Ghostfacers, they could have a catchy theme song. They face the ghosts when the others will not.
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Post by King Boo on Apr 30, 2016 16:15:24 GMT -5
I think the more aggravating thing with regards to this movie is that it's yet another example of Hollywood being completely devoid of fresh, new ideas and doing reboots/remakes/re-imaginings of things no one asked for, for no reason other than they're completely devoid of fresh, new ideas. Thing is, for a long while people DID want a Ghostbusters 3. If people stopped clamoring for it, it was likely only because of Harold Ramis' passing. I'm no Ghostbusters expert or anything, but is this considered akin to a third movie? I'm not looking at it that way, personally. I see it more as one of those re-imaginings. Again, though, me =/= Ghostbusters expert.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 30, 2016 16:17:23 GMT -5
At this point, even if Ramis was alive, Ghostbusters 3 woulda been just sad as hell. It'd have been a little like Dumb and Dumber Too; some old men aping stuff they did way better earlier.
Ghostbusters was one great film, and one pretty good film, and a good animated show with some kickass toys.
That's all that IP has needed to be.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 30, 2016 16:26:03 GMT -5
If they were going to do Ghostbusters III, I'd have done it like this.
You say that Ghostbusters basically shut down after the Vigo incident due to a lack of ghosts. Oscar Barrett is now grown up, has become a scientist like his "uncle" Egon who recently passed away, and is trying to figure out where the ghosts have gone. His best friend is the daughter of Louis and Janine. She's a paranormal investigator who works for a TV channel doing one of those ghost whisperer/haunted location shows, but because of the lack of ghosts, has to pretend hauntings are occurring by frightening gullible TV viewers with various psychological tricks and deceptions. During one of the shows, a real ghost appears and nearly kills everyone. She consults with Oscar and they realise the ghost was summoned by one particular girl on the show. They discover she has been working as a medium, who conducts seances and somehow, has unleashed a spirit. Together they realise that the spirit is Ivo Shandor. The reason ghosts have disappeared is that Shandor's spirit has been absorbing them since the late 1980's to unleash en masse upon New York City at an appointed time, in revenge for the original Ghostbusters preventing Gozer from returning to this world. They decide to form a new Ghostbusters team, and with a fourth male member, a former soldier and war vet (the original backstory for Winston), they develop new and improved proton packs, traps and a containment unit, and eventually confront Shandor, defeat him and save the day, albeit at the cost of unleashing ghosts again, which are however, significantly less dangerous than the super spirit that Shandor was.
The film ends with the team becoming major celebrities and opening Ghostbusters franchises all over the world.
Something like that.
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Post by Jiren on Apr 30, 2016 16:37:48 GMT -5
Funny thing is a all female team has been done, it was in the comic series and it was well received because it was WELL WRITTEN and made sense, had none of the goofy humor the godawful trailer had. This just comes off as doing it for the sake of it (controversy is a hell of a marketing tool), I hope I'm wrong and it was just a case of "duff trailer but good movie". Success or flop either side will be assholes post release. At this point, even if Ramis was alive, Ghostbusters 3 woulda been just sad as hell. It'd have been a little like Dumb and Dumber Too; some old men aping stuff they did way better earlier. Ghostbusters was one great film, and one pretty good film, and a good animated show with some kickass toys. That's all that IP has needed to be. The comics are good too
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Post by knightrider01 on Apr 30, 2016 16:38:57 GMT -5
"Hurr durr I'm a man who only dislikes things because womenz" is exactly how this film is being viraly marketed. Criticism or apathy to this film is met with your kind of post there to the point where it's a flat out gimmick on their behalf. It's become Emperor's New Clothes. "Like this movie or be anti-woman". . Regardless, it's wound up exposing some very ugly and unsettling sentiments people hold. You mean the internet is a shit place where anonymous people are terrible. Who would have thunk it. Seriously when your only defense of a movie is that everyone is sexist something is definitely wrong. I mean Harold Ramis waited 30 years to get to make another Ghostbusters movie and died with it never being done. Then a racist producer at Sony greenlit a vapid, shallow, hallowed out movie to make some money on perhaps the second most beloved 80's movie. In an era where nostalgia is everything that was a dumb idea. They then do everything in their power to play off that nostalgia by reminding you of the original film, yet this is clearly a reboot. Now how do I know it's a shallow, piece of crap. Because 99% of remakes in the last 16 years are exactly that. Now it could be that 1% that is good, but after that trailer I freaking doubt it. But you know what, you're probably right, it's misogyny. That's the only thing it could be. You nailed it.
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Post by knightrider01 on Apr 30, 2016 16:47:21 GMT -5
Trailer looks like an unentertaining film. If Seth Rogen and his boys were the leads instead, it would still look unentertaining. Oh, I personally think the movie looks boring. All I'm saying is there's a chunk of guys out there who don't like strong women, and thus they were never gonna enjoy the movie to begin with, and that's a little sad. It's far from the only reason why people are down on it, but it's there. What the **** are you talking about. Strong women. Are you ******* serious. Do you really think people hate strong women in sci-fi or fantasy films. Or for that matter you think any of these characters are strong women. Ellen Ripley was a strong women. Sarah Connor was a strong women. Xena was a strong women. This has Kristen Wiig getting puked on in 10 seconds, Kate licking a gun like a you know what, and Leslie Jones is going to be unbelievable racist. Yet you think that people hate it because of the women. You know what the only two groups of people bringing this up about their gender are internet trolls and alarmists like you. And seeing how Sony is willing to go on a YouTube video and trim out all the real concerns of the movie to make the idiots look like the only ones hating it, I'm not too sure those are mutually exclusive groups. Yes hate against women exists, no one is denying that. The only one denying anything is you.
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Post by karl100589 on Apr 30, 2016 16:58:44 GMT -5
If they were going to do Ghostbusters III, I'd have done it like this. You say that Ghostbusters basically shut down after the Vigo incident due to a lack of ghosts. Oscar Barrett is now grown up, has become a scientist like his "uncle" Egon who recently passed away, and is trying to figure out where the ghosts have gone. His best friend is the daughter of Louis and Janine. She's a paranormal investigator who works for a TV channel doing one of those ghost whisperer/haunted location shows, but because of the lack of ghosts, has to pretend hauntings are occurring by frightening gullible TV viewers with various psychological tricks and deceptions. During one of the shows, a real ghost appears and nearly kills everyone. She consults with Oscar and they realise the ghost was summoned by one particular girl on the show. They discover she has been working as a medium, who conducts seances and somehow, has unleashed a spirit. Together they realise that the spirit is Ivo Shandor. The reason ghosts have disappeared is that Shandor's spirit has been absorbing them since the late 1980's to unleash en masse upon New York City as an appointed time, in revenge for the original Ghostbusters preventing Gozer from returning to this world. They decide to form a new Ghostbusters team, and with a fourth male member, a former soldier and war vet (the original backstory for Winston), they develop new and improved proton packs, traps and a containment unit, and eventually confront Shandor, defeat him and save the day, albeit at the cost of unleashing ghosts again, which are however, significantly less dangerous than the super spirit that Shandor was. The film ends with the team becoming major celebrities and opening Ghostbusters franchises all over the world. Something like that. I would just do Extreme Ghostbusters but switch Ray to the Egon role.
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Post by Jiren on Apr 30, 2016 17:00:59 GMT -5
Oh, I personally think the movie looks boring. All I'm saying is there's a chunk of guys out there who don't like strong women, and thus they were never gonna enjoy the movie to begin with, and that's a little sad. It's far from the only reason why people are down on it, but it's there. What the **** are you talking about. Strong women. Are you ******* serious. Do you really think people hate strong women in sci-fi or fantasy films. Or for that matter you think any of these characters are strong women. Ellen Ripley was a strong women. Sarah Connor was a strong women. Xena was a strong women. This has Kristen Wiig getting puked on in 10 seconds, Kate licking a gun like a you know what, and Leslie Jones is going to be unbelievable racist. Yet you think that people hate it because of the women. You know what the only two groups of people bringing this up about their gender are internet trolls and alarmists like you. And seeing how Sony is willing to go on a YouTube video and trim out all the real concerns of the movie to make the idiots look like the only ones hating it, I'm not too sure those are mutually exclusive groups. Yes hate against women exists, no one is denying that. The only one denying anything is you. Don't forget "Mad Max: Fury Road", one of the most liked movies of 2015 that had a female Main character (Max was a Co-main character) Sure it had it's "Women Boo/Hiss" detractors but they were so infinitesimal no one gave a shit
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 30, 2016 17:01:23 GMT -5
Oh, I personally think the movie looks boring. All I'm saying is there's a chunk of guys out there who don't like strong women, and thus they were never gonna enjoy the movie to begin with, and that's a little sad. It's far from the only reason why people are down on it, but it's there. What the **** are you talking about. Strong women. Are you ******* serious. Do you really think people hate strong women in sci-fi or fantasy films. Or for that matter you think any of these characters are strong women. Ellen Ripley was a strong women. Sarah Connor was a strong women. Xena was a strong women. This has Kristen Wiig getting puked on in 10 seconds, Kate licking a gun like a you know what, and Leslie Jones is going to be unbelievable racist. Yet you think that people hate it because of the women. You know what the only two groups of people bringing this up about their gender are internet trolls and alarmists like you. And seeing how Sony is willing to go on a YouTube video and trim out all the real concerns of the movie to make the idiots look like the only ones hating it, I'm not too sure those are mutually exclusive groups. Yes hate against women exists, no one is denying that. The only one denying anything is you. Dude, chill out.
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Post by sonofsharknado on Apr 30, 2016 17:02:52 GMT -5
It looks like a shitty, unfunny, generic movie with shitty, unfunny, generic, cliche, and arguably misognystic/racist characters that's using its all-female cast as a shield against all criticism, valid or otherwise.
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Post by knightrider01 on Apr 30, 2016 17:07:25 GMT -5
What the **** are you talking about. Strong women. Are you ******* serious. Do you really think people hate strong women in sci-fi or fantasy films. Or for that matter you think any of these characters are strong women. Ellen Ripley was a strong women. Sarah Connor was a strong women. Xena was a strong women. This has Kristen Wiig getting puked on in 10 seconds, Kate licking a gun like a you know what, and Leslie Jones is going to be unbelievable racist. Yet you think that people hate it because of the women. You know what the only two groups of people bringing this up about their gender are internet trolls and alarmists like you. And seeing how Sony is willing to go on a YouTube video and trim out all the real concerns of the movie to make the idiots look like the only ones hating it, I'm not too sure those are mutually exclusive groups. Yes hate against women exists, no one is denying that. The only one denying anything is you. Don't forget "Mad Max: Fury Road", one of the most liked movies of 2015 that had a female Main character (Max was a Co-main character) Sure it had it's "Women Boo/Hiss" detractors but they were so infinitesimal no one gave a shit Crap you're right. Had a brain fart. Also movie was very colorful. Lots of orange and blue. Also to be fair those trolls were egged on by various articles telling men to go, and I am paraphrasing here a bit, "Go **** yourselves Mad Max belongs to women." I mean that makes them that kid fro My Girl who shoots the bee hive with a water pistol, while being allergic to bees. What happens next is sad but not surprising.
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Post by knightrider01 on Apr 30, 2016 17:08:04 GMT -5
What the **** are you talking about. Strong women. Are you ******* serious. Do you really think people hate strong women in sci-fi or fantasy films. Or for that matter you think any of these characters are strong women. Ellen Ripley was a strong women. Sarah Connor was a strong women. Xena was a strong women. This has Kristen Wiig getting puked on in 10 seconds, Kate licking a gun like a you know what, and Leslie Jones is going to be unbelievable racist. Yet you think that people hate it because of the women. You know what the only two groups of people bringing this up about their gender are internet trolls and alarmists like you. And seeing how Sony is willing to go on a YouTube video and trim out all the real concerns of the movie to make the idiots look like the only ones hating it, I'm not too sure those are mutually exclusive groups. Yes hate against women exists, no one is denying that. The only one denying anything is you. Dude, chill out. Same could be said for you.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Apr 30, 2016 17:10:38 GMT -5
Same could be said for you. Yes let's all chill. Look at the bright side... They're bringing back Ecto Cooler!
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Post by Jiren on Apr 30, 2016 17:12:07 GMT -5
Don't forget "Mad Max: Fury Road", one of the most liked movies of 2015 that had a female Main character (Max was a Co-main character) Sure it had it's "Women Boo/Hiss" detractors but they were so infinitesimal no one gave a shit Crap you're right. Had a brain fart. Also movie was very colorful. Lots of orange and blue. Also to be fair those trolls were egged on by various articles telling men to go, and I am paraphrasing here a bit, "Go **** yourselves Mad Max belongs to women." I mean that makes them that kid fro My Girl who shoots the bee hive with a water pistol, while being allergic to bees. What happens next is sad but not surprising. Yeah agreed, Both sides were dickish there
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Post by Kash Flagg on Apr 30, 2016 17:14:30 GMT -5
Same could be said for you. Honestly, while I might disagree a little with Clash on some things, YOU are taking this way too personally. He's not insulting people and verbally flapping his arms around like you seem to be doing. So yeah, you chill.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Apr 30, 2016 17:15:30 GMT -5
I check back inside this thread and I'm all I think we need to step back and establish our gains: the new Ghostbusters looks bad, there are a small group of people that think it looks bad for sexist reasons, however they do not make up the majority of people who think it looks bad, because there are many other reasons it looks bad. We're all on that same page, right? Ok. Everyone hug it out.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2016 17:20:53 GMT -5
Same could be said for you. Yes let's all chill. Look at the bright side... They're bringing back Ecto Cooler! Sadly that seem to be the only saving grace from this movie so far.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Apr 30, 2016 17:21:23 GMT -5
Funny thing is a all female team has been done, it was in the comic series and it was well received because it was WELL WRITTEN and made sense, had none of the goofy humor the godawful trailer had. This just comes off as doing it for the sake of it (controversy is a hell of a marketing tool), I hope I'm wrong and it was just a case of "duff trailer but good movie". Success or flop either side will be assholes post release. At this point, even if Ramis was alive, Ghostbusters 3 woulda been just sad as hell. It'd have been a little like Dumb and Dumber Too; some old men aping stuff they did way better earlier. Ghostbusters was one great film, and one pretty good film, and a good animated show with some kickass toys. That's all that IP has needed to be. The comics are good too That's fair, I quite liked the video game as well.
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