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Post by Mozenrath on May 1, 2016 3:37:20 GMT -5
Not sure if Vince was the actual mastermind here, but a few years back WWE signed an indy wrestler called "The Last Outlaw", and had him sign over the rights to that ring name. They kept him in developmental for a bit, then shitcanned him and immediately began promoting Undertaker as "The Last Outlaw". They did offer to buy it, but he wanted a job instead. I do kind of wonder if he was satisfied to say he worked for WWF versus having a lump sum for it.
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on May 1, 2016 4:42:33 GMT -5
Ian Rotten showing up, not invited, at the funeral of JC Bailey, then asking Bailey's parents for gas money when he was being asked to leave.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 1, 2016 7:22:12 GMT -5
TNA were able to point at the the Fox Sports show they did and use that as proof they had the infrastructure and experience in place to produce a show with okay production values 52 weeks a year, something no other (non WWE) promotion out there at the time could match and that wouldn't have happened without Dixie. RoH's production values were weak until relatively recently and the product wasn't what Spike wanted, compared to the more WWE-like TNA so it's doubtful they ever would have been considered. Fox Sports Impact happened after Dixie Carter was part of the company. Jag's point still kinda stands. Not to mention that Wrestlers on TNA's roster had to take day jobs, apply for food stamps, and were paid late multiple times kinda proves the "leave wrestling because they aren't making money" point you made earlier. The Fox Sports deal happening after Dixie is kind of my point, without the Carter money that doesn't happen so no Spike deal for TNA or anyone. TNA/Dixie were paying to have the show broadcast if I remember correctly, something no other promotion was in a position to do It's kind of damning that a promotion paying people so little they celebrated their girlfriends getting foodstamps, like Jesse Neil did, is still seen as being better than working indies. That said, there is little chance many of the TNA names remained in wrestling without them, ROH wasn't paying big money either, not enough to retain guys who'd rather be paid a decent wage and be misused by the WWE or TNA than be well booked in a company that pays at RoH's level.
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Post by The Ichi on May 1, 2016 11:53:26 GMT -5
Yeah, Dixie is bad but I doubt she's on the level as, say, Ian Rotten.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on May 1, 2016 13:07:59 GMT -5
Yeah, Dixie is bad but I doubt she's on the level as, say, Ian Rotten. Yeah, Dixie's just incompetent, Rotten is just deplorable.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 1, 2016 13:11:26 GMT -5
Despite popular opinion, TNA existing isn't a scumbag move as no-one else would have stepped in to fill that void. There were actually multiple companies that were stepping in to fill the void for the year or two after WCW and ECW folded. ROH, MLW, XWF, WWA and John Collins' MECW(now THERE is a real scumbag promoter) were all vying for contention alongside TNA in 2001 and 2002 to be the big thing to replace them. Come on, Madison! You can't say something like that and not share some stories!
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on May 1, 2016 13:15:57 GMT -5
The ugly, uncomfortable truth is that you will be very hard-pressed to find wrestling promoters who weren't scumbags on one level or another. From Gagne advertising guys on his shows that had left months prior and that he knew weren't going to be there, to McMahon shoving a camera in Melanie Pillman's face less than 48 hours after her husband was found dead to Lia Maivia (Rock's grandmother) threatening to have a competing promoter's children killed if said promoter didn't give her a cut of his show's earnings (yes, that happened). God only knows how many promoters in the business have sold a show, then skipped town with the money without the show ever happening. Or how many paid workers to do some horrible stuff (injuring workers who were on the promoter's shit list, intimidating competing promotion workers through violence, etc). Houston's Paul Boesch comes to mind as one of the few promoters I've heard nothing bad about. Stu Hart too, I think, but I could be wrong there.
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Post by Burst on May 1, 2016 13:20:21 GMT -5
Not sure if Vince was the actual mastermind here, but a few years back WWE signed an indy wrestler called "The Last Outlaw", and had him sign over the rights to that ring name. They kept him in developmental for a bit, then shitcanned him and immediately began promoting Undertaker as "The Last Outlaw". I think what annoyed me most about that is that I think Undertaker might have used that name for a single PPV, if that. The last five or ten years there's been this bizarre need to come up with new nicknames for wrestlers that already have a bazillion nicknames (okay, mostly Undertaker and Triple H) for Wrestlemania season... that were then immediately forgotten about as soon as WM was over with.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 1, 2016 13:30:07 GMT -5
Who was it that had a drunken, broken down Scott Hall wheeled out in the wheelchair?
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 1, 2016 13:32:17 GMT -5
There were actually multiple companies that were stepping in to fill the void for the year or two after WCW and ECW folded. ROH, MLW, XWF, WWA and John Collins' MECW(now THERE is a real scumbag promoter) were all vying for contention alongside TNA in 2001 and 2002 to be the big thing to replace them. Come on, Madison! You can't say something like that and not share some stories! Basically, his career path in wrestling was very (scarily) similar to what we're seeing with Jarrett's Global. Got a bunch of ex-WCW, ECW and WWF guys, was going to be the next big thing, had big backers, etc. Then they started doing invasion angles where they showed up at indies to "invade" (arriving in limos, etc.) in front of crowds of 30-50 people. Managed to put on all of one or two actual shows themselves before everything cratered because Collins had been lying about the backer money the whole time. When all the checks started bouncing, Collins started blaming Paul Heyman for getting into his accounts and then started having heart attacks. Excuse me, "heart attacks." Oh, and he ended up going to prison over it all. From PWInsider:
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 1, 2016 13:34:52 GMT -5
The ugly, uncomfortable truth is that you will be very hard-pressed to find wrestling promoters who weren't scumbags on one level or another. From Gagne advertising guys on his shows that had left months prior and that he knew weren't going to be there, to McMahon shoving a camera in Melanie Pillman's face less than 48 hours after her husband was found dead to Lia Maivia (Rock's grandmother) threatening to have a competing promoter's children killed if said promoter didn't give her a cut of his show's earnings (yes, that happened). God only knows how many promoters in the business have sold a show, then skipped town with the money without the show ever happening. Or how many paid workers to do some horrible stuff (injuring workers who were on the promoter's shit list, intimidating competing promotion workers through violence, etc). Houston's Paul Boesch comes to mind as one of the few promoters I've heard nothing bad about. Stu Hart too, I think, but I could be wrong there. Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owens are the ones usually named by people as being the most honest promoters. "Most honest" being that they didn't pull some of the crap the others did, but I doubt they were pure angels either.
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Post by KAMALARAMBO: BOOMSHAKALAKA!!! on May 1, 2016 13:39:33 GMT -5
That's pretty messed up. I've heard about them before, but don't think I heard the full story. According to cagematch.net they only had one show their own. It actually looks pretty good (at least on paper). Shame, the whole thing was such a mess and Collins did everything that he did. Anyway, here is the card: www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=820
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Post by Joe Neglia on May 1, 2016 13:49:06 GMT -5
That's pretty messed up. I've heard about them before, but don't think I heard the full story. According to cagematch.net they only had one show their own. It actually looks pretty good (at least on paper). Shame, the whole thing was such a mess and Collins did everything that he did. Anyway, here is the card: www.cagematch.net/?id=1&nr=820The Bagwell/Victory match was supposed to be Bagwell/Corino, but Corino refused to work with Bagwell (I *want* to say they had an altercation, but I may be mistaken), so they threw Jack in there instead after the show started.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 1, 2016 17:05:34 GMT -5
Yeah, Dixie is bad but I doubt she's on the level as, say, Ian Rotten. Yeah, Dixie's just incompetent, Rotten is just deplorable. No, Dixie is like George Bluth. She is indeed incompetent, but still thoroughly corrupt.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 2, 2016 8:53:25 GMT -5
Really, what did PWS get out of trying to exaggerate that story about Sabu's hotel room? (it was since debunked more than once)
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 2, 2016 8:56:19 GMT -5
Yeah, Dixie's just incompetent, Rotten is just deplorable. No, Dixie is like George Bluth. She is indeed incompetent, but still thoroughly corrupt. Yeah, Hanlon's razor doesn't take in to account that someone can be stupid and malicious.
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Post by ________ has left the building on May 2, 2016 9:59:09 GMT -5
The promoter that allowed this to happen.
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Post by Frizzle Fry on May 2, 2016 10:14:03 GMT -5
Rossy Ogawa. He just let act yasukawa be beat like a dog by yoshiko until kimura throw the towel
I don't watch joshi wrestling, but when i read the story and saw the photos
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Post by Mozenrath on May 2, 2016 10:22:08 GMT -5
Houston's Paul Boesch comes to mind as one of the few promoters I've heard nothing bad about. Stu Hart too, I think, but I could be wrong there. Boesch, Sam Muchnick and Don Owens are the ones usually named by people as being the most honest promoters. "Most honest" being that they didn't pull some of the crap the others did, but I doubt they were pure angels either. I don't know enough about it to say definitively, but Tenryu's running of WAR might be up there, too. Seemed like he actually gave a shit about the people he promoted's wellbeing, which puts him ahead of most. Otto Wanz, while this is relatively minor by this thread's standards, apparently would abuse the exchange rate for currency when bringing in guys from overseas, so he'd end up paying you less than you were led to believe you'd get. It's typical carny bullshit, versus a lot of the extreme examples, but it's worth mentioning.
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Post by James Fabiano on May 2, 2016 10:26:34 GMT -5
How about whoever did Heroes of Wrestling?
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