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Post by mizerable on Jun 9, 2016 9:29:42 GMT -5
sorry Bret everyone can't be as perfect as you. According to Bad News Brown, he wasn't. It's silly to get wrapped up over injuries regardless of who it is. They happen unfortunately, even the best workers in the world such as Bret's own brother Owen with Austin, and even that wasn't wreckless. I mean unless you're a very limited worker to begin with, then it's going to happen to the best of people. Being wreckless is on the same level as taking liberties in the ring and completely disregarding the other person's status, which isn't prominent in the WWE anymore. |
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Jun 9, 2016 10:22:01 GMT -5
Slipping on a puddle of sweat in the ring - Freak accident
Kneeing someone in the face while being the aggressor - Sloppy work
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 9, 2016 10:33:26 GMT -5
Again accidents happen, its not like he set out there to injure Cena. Ryvack accidentally hurt Punk and he was labeled sloppy and "dumb as f***". This isn't like a pitcher hitting someone in the ribs with a fastball. That is an accident that happens and is part of the game. A wrestlers whole job is to do stuff WITHOUT hurting someone. Until Seth is injuring people on the same.level Ryback did this doesn't work at all. |
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Post by Brandon Walsh is Insane. on Jun 9, 2016 10:53:20 GMT -5
Here's another transcript of the podcast: BH: I am a really big fan of Seth’s. I think he’s one of the best young wrestlers in the world today. That’s why I think I made such a strong criticism. It’s meant to make him think. It’s not a personal attack. It’s a professional criticism of his work a few months ago. I think there’s a little bit of an onus here not to own up to what he did. You can watch it back. I watched it back just a minute ago. He clearly knees John Cena as hard as he can in the face. It’s not John Cena’s fault. If you watch it it’s not John Cena leaning in it’s Seth Rollins’ pulling his head down and kneeing him as hard as he can in the face. It’s bullshit. Everything I said is true. If he’s got hurt feelings, well, it’s better to have hurt feelings than a broken, shattered face. My whole gripe with that kind of stuff is that you can’t get injured. The wrestler can’t afford getting hurt. There’s a huge onus on the two wrestlers to protect each other at all costs. If you can’t protect the guy you are working with, if you can’t be more careful than that, then you need to go back to the drawing board. It’s a good criticism. All of those agents in WWE, I don’t know who they are that are schooling these guys and telling them what they are doing right and what they are doing wrong. They should all be chastised for not speaking up too. Including Vince. Including Triple H. What he did was totally wrong. Totally unprofessional. It’s true and it’s not a personal attack. It just means, “Be more careful.” You can’t be hurting guys like that all the time. Read more at www.wrestlezone.com/news/716449-bret-hart-responds-to-seth-rollins-comments-about-his-criticisms-of-him-breaking-john-cenas-nose-more#c06CZbY1ExQkKl5O.99 |
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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 9, 2016 11:04:00 GMT -5
"Who ever popped a boner over a broken nose?"
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Post by sunnytaker on Jun 9, 2016 12:04:45 GMT -5
this is the start of an infinite loop of reactions isn't it? seth reacting to bret who reacts to seth who reacts to bret who reacts to seth who reacts to bret and so on until they destroy the earth dammit I specifically came here to post something along those lines as soon as I saw the title  - guess I should go back and actually read the OP, and the other thread now.... |
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Post by abjordans on Jun 9, 2016 16:28:56 GMT -5
Ryvack accidentally hurt Punk and he was labeled sloppy and "dumb as f***". This isn't like a pitcher hitting someone in the ribs with a fastball. That is an accident that happens and is part of the game. A wrestlers whole job is to do stuff WITHOUT hurting someone. Until Seth is injuring people on the same.level Ryback did this doesn't work at all. Ummmm. The injuries Seth is responsible are just as bad, if not worse. Has Ryback broke anyone's neck? |
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Post by abjordans on Jun 9, 2016 16:30:55 GMT -5
sorry Bret everyone can't be as perfect as you. According to Bad News Brown, he wasn't. It's silly to get wrapped up over injuries regardless of who it is. They happen unfortunately, even the best workers in the world such as Bret's own brother Owen with Austin, and even that wasn't wreckless. I mean unless you're a very limited worker to begin with, then it's going to happen to the best of people. Being wreckless is on the same level as taking liberties in the ring and completely disregarding the other person's status, which isn't prominent in the WWE anymore. You should read up on the Austin/Owen injury. One of the most wreckless EVER. |
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Post by Grand Papillon "The Banker" on Jun 9, 2016 16:55:09 GMT -5
Considering Bret Harts career was ended and he had lingering health issues due to a misplaced strike to the head, I can see where he would be quick to say that accidents like that can't happen
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 9, 2016 16:59:11 GMT -5
Until Seth is injuring people on the same.level Ryback did this doesn't work at all. Ummmm. The injuries Seth is responsible are just as bad, if not worse. Has Ryback broke anyone's neck? When did Seth? Let me answer that for you, he didn't. |
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Post by abjordans on Jun 9, 2016 17:07:27 GMT -5
Ummmm. The injuries Seth is responsible are just as bad, if not worse. Has Ryback broke anyone's neck? When did Seth? Let me answer that for you, he didn't. He didn't powerbomb a senior citizen into a turnbuckle? |
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 9, 2016 17:13:24 GMT -5
When did Seth? Let me answer that for you, he didn't. He didn't powerbomb a senior citizen into a turnbuckle? Which only aggravated an already existing neck injury that no one knew about. Seth holds no fault in that by Sting's and his doctor's own admission. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 17:19:44 GMT -5
He didn't say a single thing wrong lol. He even said it's not a personal attack.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jun 9, 2016 17:26:11 GMT -5
Until Seth is injuring people on the same.level Ryback did this doesn't work at all. An accident is an accident is an accident. The participants and the severity from the accidents don't make one "better" or "worse" than another. But ignoring that Ryback got that label for injuring far more people than CM Punk (I know the label comes from the podcast but it stems from more than just Punk) and putting Seth in that level does not work for me. Ryback injured multiple people, badly, several times while Seth is getting this label for an accident with John Cena. |
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 9, 2016 17:36:16 GMT -5
What people need to remember is Bret holds a high standard to wrestling. He's always said the art of wrestling is to make it look real, not actually hurt someone and watching his matches you see how physical, tight, and realistic he was to the point that his offense looked very real. I am sure he's well aware that accidents happen as it's professional wrestling.
However, I think someone of his mind for the business and creativity would be great for being a road agent, booker, and trainer. He knows his stuff and isn't one to sugarcoat what he believes.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Jun 9, 2016 17:44:22 GMT -5
An accident is an accident is an accident. The participants and the severity from the accidents don't make one "better" or "worse" than another. But ignoring that Ryback got that label for injuring far more people than CM Punk (I know the label comes from the podcast but it stems from more than just Punk) and putting Seth in that level does not work for me. Ryback injured multiple people, badly, several times while Seth is getting this label for an accident with John Cena. A lot of it perhaps is due to exposure, when Rollins was champ and Cena being Cena, so it comes under more scrutiny. Is that fair? Probably not, but given that Cena's been racking more injuries as the years go on, you would think that maybe WWE would tell guys to treat the golden goose a little more delicately, and I think that comes back around to Bret's point. Wrestling is not ballet, sure, but it also takes two to tango, to stick with the dancing metaphors. An accident to be sure, which is what I think the knee in question was, but that also doesn't absolve Rollins from responsibility from working stiff (or stiffer than he should have been for that spot?), I don't think. And again, fair or not, because it involved the WWE champion and money machine John Cena, it's going to get a lot more flak because of the ramifications of that accident, like having to write TV around a Cena injury again than Ryback's miscues, even though he too was working with the WWE champion on several occasions. |
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Post by edgestar on Jun 9, 2016 17:46:21 GMT -5
As I said in the other thread, neither one is wrong in their opinions. It's okay that Bret stated his opinion, and it is admirable that he still seems to have a great passion for wrestling, but the way he voices it can come across as the only valuable opinion, but, I won't comment on that. It is okay for Seth to say his feelings were hurt, because feelings don't stop being hurt because of what your career is, your age, etc. I won't criticize him, because it's not my place to. Hopefully, he can go on to have a great career, and hopefully accidents will be minimal, if not at all. |
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Jun 9, 2016 17:49:08 GMT -5
According to Bad News Brown, he wasn't. It's silly to get wrapped up over injuries regardless of who it is. They happen unfortunately, even the best workers in the world such as Bret's own brother Owen with Austin, and even that wasn't wreckless. I mean unless you're a very limited worker to begin with, then it's going to happen to the best of people. Being wreckless is on the same level as taking liberties in the ring and completely disregarding the other person's status, which isn't prominent in the WWE anymore. You should read up on the Austin/Owen injury. One of the most wreckless EVER. Totally. Austin pulled no punches about it in his book. |
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Post by abjordans on Jun 9, 2016 18:50:39 GMT -5
You should read up on the Austin/Owen injury. One of the most wreckless EVER. Totally. Austin pulled no punches about it in his book. I think Austin holds back on it publicly because of his respect for Bret, but I gpt the impression even today when he speaks on it that he never forgave Owen and did NOT consider it a freak accident that is part of the job. |
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Post by bob on Jun 9, 2016 18:55:52 GMT -5
I thought this would be a photoshop thread
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- guess I should go back and actually read the OP, and the other thread now....
