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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Jul 13, 2016 20:13:05 GMT -5
Doesn't she now? I mean she's alright, and certainly improved, but let's not act as if she's great or anything.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jul 13, 2016 20:16:52 GMT -5
but let's not act as if she's great or anything. Judging from some of the responses in this thread, I believe that is what a lot of Nikki's fans would consider an appropriate level of respect.
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Post by gr1990 on Jul 13, 2016 20:18:48 GMT -5
eh Aj's gigantic reign was worse. I honestly remember nothing from AJ's reign besides her losing way too much on RAW. She was basically Seth Rollins during his title reign (they both had a losing record on TV while they were champ). Spend all month on TV jobbing to anyone and everyone, sell every offensive move from a babyface like death, retain the title at the pay-per-view through cheating, opportunism or outside help, repeat. The only thing that made her seem like some kind of tyrannical overlord was that she got to talk every now and then and basically no one was ever put in a position to talk back. Nikki was booked as a way stronger heel champ from a wrestling point of view, fairly sure they made sure she got at least a couple of clean wins a month and she certainly never went out of her way to sell her challengers' offense.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 13, 2016 21:29:27 GMT -5
This will sound mean but I'm not trying to, she's one of the best bad wrestlers they had. I put her just under Trish in that regard. Trish knew how to sell. Nikki seemed to forget to sell when time for her fiery baby face comeback as the reigning heel champion. How much of that is WWE booking though? Charlotte pops right back up after getting hit with finishers. Apollo Crews got jumped backstage, commentary was passing it off as effecting him, but he was smiling like normal. Ryder got attacked backstage and sold it by holding his arm.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 13, 2016 21:32:16 GMT -5
This will sound mean but I'm not trying to, she's one of the best bad wrestlers they had. I put her just under Trish in that regard. Trish knew how to sell. Nikki seemed to forget to sell when time for her fiery baby face comeback as the reigning heel champion. How much of that is WWE booking though? Charlotte pops right back up after getting hit with finishers. Apollo Crews got jumped backstage, commentary was passing it off as effecting him, but he was smiling like normal. Ryder got attacked backstage and sold it by holding his arm. Yes,the babyfaces do that,that is nothing new. She was supposed to be the heel.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jul 13, 2016 21:34:25 GMT -5
How much of that is WWE booking though? Charlotte pops right back up after getting hit with finishers. Apollo Crews got jumped backstage, commentary was passing it off as effecting him, but he was smiling like normal. Ryder got attacked backstage and sold it by holding his arm. Yes,the babyfaces do that,that is nothing new. She was supposed to be the heel. Charlotte's done it as a heel multiple times.
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Post by Dub H on Jul 13, 2016 21:39:53 GMT -5
Yes,the babyfaces do that,that is nothing new. She was supposed to be the heel. Charlotte's done it as a heel multiple times. Still wrong and unusual. But yes you are correct that we cant be absolutely surely booking didnt say that(Commentary also was all over how Nikki is great),so could easily be booking.Still it is very weird.
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Post by Hanzo on Jul 13, 2016 22:10:59 GMT -5
I want Becky Lynch to get the respect she deserves first. Lynch is probably one of the most beloved people in the company at the moment, male or female. Yeah, she doesn't win all the time but as Roman Reigns has proven, a lot of wins doesn't necessarily lead to being liked or respected. True. I just want to see her get a belt. I was thinking she was going to get an NXT Womens Title run, but she got called up to the main roster before that could happen. If her being WWE Womens Champion does ever happen, it may not be for a while because Sasha is next in line and you know she's going to hold on to it for a long time. And I like Sasha, so nothing against her, but I'm just saying. I'd like to say Becky getting a title reign is a given, but with WWE, unfortunately you can't ever tell.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Jul 13, 2016 22:20:02 GMT -5
This will sound mean but I'm not trying to, she's one of the best bad wrestlers they had. I put her just under Trish in that regard. Trish knew how to sell. Nikki seemed to forget to sell when time for her fiery baby face comeback as the reigning heel champion. How much of that is WWE booking though? Charlotte pops right back up after getting hit with finishers. Apollo Crews got jumped backstage, commentary was passing it off as effecting him, but he was smiling like normal. Ryder got attacked backstage and sold it by holding his arm. It might not be her fault but it still hurt her performances to me. I don't like it when Charlotte/whoever does it.
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Post by gl83 on Jul 14, 2016 0:31:00 GMT -5
I honestly remember nothing from AJ's reign besides her losing way too much on RAW. She was basically Seth Rollins during his title reign (they both had a losing record on TV while they were champ). Spend all month on TV jobbing to anyone and everyone, sell every offensive move from a babyface like death, retain the title at the pay-per-view through cheating, opportunism or outside help, repeat. The only thing that made her seem like some kind of tyrannical overlord was that she got to talk every now and then and basically no one was ever put in a position to talk back. Nikki was booked as a way stronger heel champ from a wrestling point of view, fairly sure they made sure she got at least a couple of clean wins a month and she certainly never went out of her way to sell her challengers' offense. I don't even think Nikki got any clean wins during her title reign. Even during that month where she was Face against Naomi, she still needed Brie's interference to beat her. I think the only person that Nikki beat clean was Emma, who was on the very bottom of the Diva pecking order. AJ actually had some clean wins during her title reign, though most of it was in the beginning before she got paired up with Tamina.
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Post by gr1990 on Jul 14, 2016 3:54:25 GMT -5
She was basically Seth Rollins during his title reign (they both had a losing record on TV while they were champ). Spend all month on TV jobbing to anyone and everyone, sell every offensive move from a babyface like death, retain the title at the pay-per-view through cheating, opportunism or outside help, repeat. The only thing that made her seem like some kind of tyrannical overlord was that she got to talk every now and then and basically no one was ever put in a position to talk back. Nikki was booked as a way stronger heel champ from a wrestling point of view, fairly sure they made sure she got at least a couple of clean wins a month and she certainly never went out of her way to sell her challengers' offense. I don't even think Nikki got any clean wins during her title reign. Even during that month where she was Face against Naomi, she still needed Brie's interference to beat her. I think the only person that Nikki beat clean was Emma, who was on the very bottom of the Diva pecking order. AJ actually had some clean wins during her title reign, though most of it was in the beginning before she got paired up with Tamina. She only had four singles wins on TV before Tamina came along by the looks of things, and two of those were by distraction when she briefly had Layla with her. I'm not sure Nikki ever won a title match clean, but they certainly gave her the odd clean non-title victory against quite a few different people, she usually came out on top except in 'X has pinned the Divas champion!' title match set-ups, whereas even tainted wins in non-title singles matches were hard to come by for AJ at one point. Neither were booked as dominant wrestlers in spite of their long reigns, in fact when the Divas Revolution started the storyline was basically that Nikki wasn't as good as the new arrivals, but Nikki was kept slightly stronger before that than AJ was at the same point in her reign.
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Post by gl83 on Jul 14, 2016 6:46:09 GMT -5
I don't even think Nikki got any clean wins during her title reign. Even during that month where she was Face against Naomi, she still needed Brie's interference to beat her. I think the only person that Nikki beat clean was Emma, who was on the very bottom of the Diva pecking order. AJ actually had some clean wins during her title reign, though most of it was in the beginning before she got paired up with Tamina. She only had four singles wins on TV before Tamina came along by the looks of things, and two of those were by distraction when she briefly had Layla with her. I'm not sure Nikki ever won a title match clean, but they certainly gave her the odd clean non-title victory against quite a few different people, she usually came out on top except in 'X has pinned the Divas champion!' title match set-ups, whereas even tainted wins in non-title singles matches were hard to come by for AJ at one point. Neither were booked as dominant wrestlers in spite of their long reigns, in fact when the Divas Revolution started the storyline was basically that Nikki wasn't as good as the new arrivals, but Nikki was kept slightly stronger before that than AJ was at the same point in her reign. If I recall correctly, AJ beat Kaitlyn clean at Payback & MITB, as well as in a tag match prior to SummerSlam, beat Natalya clean following Payback, won clean at NOC in a F4W match and won clean against Naomi following NOC. It really wasn't until Tamina joined her following NOC, where AJ stopped getting clean wins at all.
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Post by gr1990 on Jul 14, 2016 7:31:01 GMT -5
She only had four singles wins on TV before Tamina came along by the looks of things, and two of those were by distraction when she briefly had Layla with her. I'm not sure Nikki ever won a title match clean, but they certainly gave her the odd clean non-title victory against quite a few different people, she usually came out on top except in 'X has pinned the Divas champion!' title match set-ups, whereas even tainted wins in non-title singles matches were hard to come by for AJ at one point. Neither were booked as dominant wrestlers in spite of their long reigns, in fact when the Divas Revolution started the storyline was basically that Nikki wasn't as good as the new arrivals, but Nikki was kept slightly stronger before that than AJ was at the same point in her reign. If I recall correctly, AJ beat Kaitlyn clean at Payback & MITB, as well as in a tag match prior to SummerSlam, beat Natalya clean following Payback, won clean at NOC in a F4W match and won clean against Naomi following NOC. It really wasn't until Tamina joined her following NOC, where AJ stopped getting clean wins at all. Yeah I think you're right, she had those two clean non-title wins and then the other two with Layla's help. NOC was kind of the beginning of her squeaking victories since she hid on the outside the whole match after getting triple-teamed at the start then sneaked in at the end to tap out Natalya after Nattie had done the hard work of taking out Naomi and Brie. It seems like she was more-or-less 50/50 booked at that stage, she lost clean to Natalya, and Kaitlyn (I think Nattie's win was in an intergender tag but AJ took the fall) in non-titles during the first three months of her reign.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jul 14, 2016 7:50:10 GMT -5
She only had four singles wins on TV before Tamina came along by the looks of things, and two of those were by distraction when she briefly had Layla with her. I'm not sure Nikki ever won a title match clean, but they certainly gave her the odd clean non-title victory against quite a few different people, she usually came out on top except in 'X has pinned the Divas champion!' title match set-ups, whereas even tainted wins in non-title singles matches were hard to come by for AJ at one point. Neither were booked as dominant wrestlers in spite of their long reigns, in fact when the Divas Revolution started the storyline was basically that Nikki wasn't as good as the new arrivals, but Nikki was kept slightly stronger before that than AJ was at the same point in her reign. If I recall correctly, AJ beat Kaitlyn clean at Payback & MITB, as well as in a tag match prior to SummerSlam, beat Natalya clean following Payback, won clean at NOC in a F4W match and won clean against Naomi following NOC. It really wasn't until Tamina joined her following NOC, where AJ stopped getting clean wins at all. Yeah, people act like AJ never won clean, but she did. Literally the only cleanish win I can think of from Nikki was Beast in the East, and that was her last defense before the 10 week "up yours AJ" layoff
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Jul 14, 2016 7:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by gr1990 on Jul 14, 2016 11:12:02 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, AJ beat Kaitlyn clean at Payback & MITB, as well as in a tag match prior to SummerSlam, beat Natalya clean following Payback, won clean at NOC in a F4W match and won clean against Naomi following NOC. It really wasn't until Tamina joined her following NOC, where AJ stopped getting clean wins at all. Yeah, people act like AJ never won clean, but she did. Literally the only cleanish win I can think of from Nikki was Beast in the East, and that was her last defense before the 10 week "up yours AJ" layoff I know Nikki had few if any clean title defenses, but she seemed to win clean on TV in the mean time a lot more than AJ and other heel midcard champions of the era tended to. Not saying she was booked as a dominant monster or anything (and she bowed out with two clean losses to Charlotte), just slightly stronger than AJ, who some people also misremember as some unbeatable juggernaut.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jul 16, 2016 1:21:58 GMT -5
To paraphrase the famous CM Punk promo... It wasn't her, it was this idea of her being the best. I feel like she may have gotten this respect from most of her critics if she wasn't placed right at the forefront of the women's division as the long-running champion, while the rest of the division noticeably improved around her. That's not to say she isn't any good, it's a night and day improvement compared to 2008, but that's just how it was. Not to mention that any and all stability with her (and Brie's) alignment went straight out the window in 2015... How can one invest in a character if you don't know what it's gonna be from week to week? I do agree with both. She'd be respected if her push did not far outweigh her improvement, and the non-stop turning helped to ruin her the way it has Big Show and Paige.
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Post by schma on Jul 16, 2016 3:55:26 GMT -5
I like her moveset even if there's no particular psychology beyond power moves. Other than that I don't really think anything stands out. Part of why some dislike her so much though was the long reign. I get why it happened but I think it actually hindered her, especially when they had the nxt women show up and still kept the belt on her for months just for the sake of that stupid record. If her reign had been about half as long she probably wouldn't get a lot of the hate she does.
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Post by g1megatronfan on Jul 17, 2016 8:30:16 GMT -5
No.
She won't be remembered for much. Afterthought really.. Does anyone really spend too much time thinking of any former diva? You don't even hear people talk about Trish etc...so I highly doubt Nikki Bella will be the topic of any conversation or be really remembered in any way a few years from now.
If by some chance they still remember her it will be for two things:
1. John Cena's former GF (by that time) as he will have moved on to find a younger and prettier model.
2. That horrible abomination known as Total Divas.
That will be it.
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