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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Jul 22, 2016 17:25:30 GMT -5
...Annnd another clip just leaked online {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Batgirl being all emotionally muddled after having sex with Bruce, calling him, and him basically cold-shouldering her, all while Babs screams "IT WAS JUST SEX OK? IT'S NOT LIKE I CARE, OR YOU CARE" I am not making this up. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} because the original story wasn't damaging enough to Barbara as a character! {Spoiler}Emotionally cripple the bitch.
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Post by cactussam on Jul 23, 2016 2:20:02 GMT -5
Just got back from the premiere at comic-con. Just like the original prestige format issue, this is going to be very divisive and controversial.
I'm a big fan of the comic. And what this did get absolutely right is how unsettling it is. It feels dangerous which isn't something I've felt in a while watching, well really anything.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 23, 2016 2:34:47 GMT -5
...Annnd another clip just leaked online {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Batgirl being all emotionally muddled after having sex with Bruce, calling him, and him basically cold-shouldering her, all while Babs screams "IT WAS JUST SEX OK? IT'S NOT LIKE I CARE, OR YOU CARE" I am not making this up. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} because the original story wasn't damaging enough to Barbara as a character! {Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's not the first time they've had Barbara and Bruce have a thing, but I've never cared for it. It's f***ing weird on a number of levels, between her longstanding thing with Dick Grayson, who is basically Bruce's son, Bruce's friendship with her father, and him being her boss. The relationship could only be more inappropriate if he was related to her, basically, it crosses most of the other boundaries as it is
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2016 10:30:26 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler} because the original story wasn't damaging enough to Barbara as a character! It's not the first time they've had Barbara and Bruce have a thing, but I've never cared for it. It's f***ing weird on a number of levels, between her longstanding thing with Dick Grayson, who is basically Bruce's son, Bruce's friendship with her father, and him being her boss. The relationship could only be more appropriate if he was related to her, basically, it crosses most of the other boundaries as it is {Spoiler}Yeah, I don't get why DC keeps trying to push it. All of what you say there... and not to mention it seems pretty damned out of Character for Bruce as well.
though my we didn't damage the character enough was specifically about the phone call Stern was talking about.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 23, 2016 11:13:11 GMT -5
I just saw an aninated gif of {Spoiler}Barbara and Bruce doing the nasty. I know they're two consenting adults, but it still felt really creepy. That was definitely NOT in the original Moore comic and I have no idea why they felt the need to put it in.
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jul 23, 2016 11:18:36 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Correct me if I'm wrong, but Babs is a rookie in this movie apparently, and she quits being Batgirl after saving Bruce because they can't separate business from pleasure.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2016 11:22:55 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Correct me if I'm wrong, but Babs is a rookie in this movie apparently, and she quits being Batgirl after saving Bruce because they can't separate business from pleasure. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Alright maybe I'm basing it off actual continuity... eh I deleted my comment. I believe she retired already in the book though.
But my point still kinda stands they could haveset it up enough that people would realize that Barbara is one of his allies and someone semi-important to him without having them in a sexual relationship.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jul 23, 2016 11:31:30 GMT -5
...Annnd another clip just leaked online {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Batgirl being all emotionally muddled after having sex with Bruce, calling him, and him basically cold-shouldering her, all while Babs screams "IT WAS JUST SEX OK? IT'S NOT LIKE I CARE, OR YOU CARE" I am not making this up. {Spoiler} Nah brah, I'll pass on that.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 23, 2016 12:30:58 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Correct me if I'm wrong, but Babs is a rookie in this movie apparently, and she quits being Batgirl after saving Bruce because they can't separate business from pleasure. {Spoiler}I think she's a rookie, based on the last DC Animated movie at least. Barbara showed up at the end of Bad Blood watching (in full uniform) as Batman & em are about to start a mission. The animators made a point of saying they're gonna give Babs a fully fleshed character so the audience can really get to know and like her. I hope they did more than just make her Bat's love interest.
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Post by cactussam on Jul 23, 2016 12:36:06 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Correct me if I'm wrong, but Babs is a rookie in this movie apparently, and she quits being Batgirl after saving Bruce because they can't separate business from pleasure. I think she's a rookie, based on the last DC Animated movie at least. Barbara showed up at the end of Bad Blood watching (in full uniform) as Batman & em are about to start a mission. The animators made a point of saying they're gonna give Babs a fully fleshed character so the audience can really get to know and like her. I hope they did more than just make her Bat's love interest. Yeah, this is its own thing and not in that continuity.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jul 23, 2016 12:40:36 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I don't mind Bruce and Babs being together. They did it in the DCAU. They shouldn't be something that lasts, just a lonely Bruce finding solace in a younger woman that he works with.
Its not like Wonder Woman and how shoe-horned that is. This at least makes sense to me. The sex scene tho...is it full frontal?
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Post by abjordans on Jul 23, 2016 12:58:27 GMT -5
All the theatres around me are only showing on Monday. I want to go on Tues, I have plans Mon. Bummer.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 23, 2016 13:01:39 GMT -5
{Spoiler} {Spoiler}I don't mind Bruce and Babs being together. They did it in the DCAU. They shouldn't be something that lasts, just a lonely Bruce finding solace in a younger woman that he works with.
Its not like Wonder Woman and how shoe-horned that is. This at least makes sense to me. The sex scene tho...is it full frontal? {Spoiler}She's riding him when they're both in costume, then she takes off her cowl and shirt and you see a bra. That's about as graphic as it gets from what I saw.
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Post by sonofsharknado on Jul 23, 2016 13:06:31 GMT -5
f*** you, Bruce Timm.
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Post by Renslayer on Jul 23, 2016 13:16:59 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Read a review of the movie (& SDCC panel) from Gizmodo and it sounds as if DC f***ed this up in a MAJOR way. That's really disappointing. I'm gonna check the movie out for myself when I can, but I was really hoping they did more for Batgirl besides being Bruce's love interest. There's so much they could do with her (and make later movies on following along the continuity).
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jul 23, 2016 13:30:04 GMT -5
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Post by sternrogers01 on Jul 23, 2016 13:31:50 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I don't mind Bruce and Babs being together. They did it in the DCAU. They shouldn't be something that lasts, just a lonely Bruce finding solace in a younger woman that he works with.
Its not like Wonder Woman and how shoe-horned that is. This at least makes sense to me. The sex scene tho...is it full frontal? {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Dude, this is BARELY them together. They're f*** buddies for one night, Babs forces it on him, and then he 'zones her
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Post by mo on Jul 23, 2016 13:34:03 GMT -5
Was really looking forward to this one but those spoilers man. For such a major one like this don't see the point.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2016 13:48:16 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Timm really likes this pairing for some reason... and he's like the only person I've ever seen try and push it.
I personally think it's pretty creepy and completly out of Bruce's character but whatever...
but again from all accounts it took Barbara who this story already wasn't good too and made her even MORE of an accessory to the REAL story of Joker and Batman.
They could have made Barbara a much more active part of the story and fixed a lot of the problems of just "crippling the bitch" that the original had... but instead it seems like they double downed.
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Post by Cyno on Jul 23, 2016 13:57:29 GMT -5
Brian Azzarello has a reputation of being kind of a douche so I'm not surprised by this at all.
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