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Post by Cyno on Jul 23, 2016 14:01:52 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Timm really likes this pairing for some reason... and he's like the only person I've ever seen try and push it.
I personally think it's pretty creepy and completly out of Bruce's character but whatever...
but again from all accounts it took Barbara who this story already wasn't good too and made her even MORE of an accessory to the REAL story of Joker and Batman.
They could have made Barbara a much more active part of the story and fixed a lot of the problems of just "crippling the bitch" that the original had... but instead it seems like they double downed. {Spoiler}It's even worse since they don't even have an established working relationship. Babs apparently comes off as someone who becomes obsessed with Batman and becomes Batgirl to try and get in his pants or whatever.
If the goal was to make this a "Batgirl story" as Bruce Timm wanted, it sounds like they failed miserably.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2016 14:04:54 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}Timm really likes this pairing for some reason... and he's like the only person I've ever seen try and push it.
I personally think it's pretty creepy and completly out of Bruce's character but whatever...
but again from all accounts it took Barbara who this story already wasn't good too and made her even MORE of an accessory to the REAL story of Joker and Batman.
They could have made Barbara a much more active part of the story and fixed a lot of the problems of just "crippling the bitch" that the original had... but instead it seems like they double downed. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}It's even worse since they don't even have an established working relationship. Babs apparently comes off as someone who becomes obsessed with Batman and becomes Batgirl to try and get in his pants or whatever.
If the goal was to make this a "Batgirl story" as Bruce Timm wanted, it sounds like they failed miserably. {Spoiler} Yeah, from the sounds it does sound like they made her "Bat Groupie" instead of ... trusted ally that has been working side by side for years.
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Post by Convoy on Jul 23, 2016 14:19:34 GMT -5
I bought tickets for Tuesday night. Wish I could get a refund for these.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 23, 2016 15:35:21 GMT -5
Reading those spoilers....yikes.
Did someone bring Frank Miller onboard without telling anyone?
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Post by Cyno on Jul 23, 2016 16:10:47 GMT -5
Reading those spoilers....yikes. Did someone bring Frank Miller onboard without telling anyone? I guess it depends on how many times Babs is called a whore by Batman, Joker, and Commissioner Gordon.
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Post by lionheart21 on Jul 23, 2016 16:12:45 GMT -5
Batgirl has a pretty sizable following, quite a few of whom didn't like what happened with her in the original adaptation of The Killing Joke. When they see this....holy shit.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 23, 2016 16:21:32 GMT -5
The extra scenes coulda just been her fighting crime with Bruce with some dialogue saying they've been doing it a while, This however just sounds f***ing stupid.
Can we have a DCAU Rebirth please, Since movies made after flashpoint have SUCKED (Hopefully KJ breaks the trend but this new info has lowered my standards)
I was gonna buy this (I loved the book...sorry) but now I'll watch it another way
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Post by tms on Jul 23, 2016 16:59:41 GMT -5
The extra scenes coulda just been her fighting crime with Bruce with some dialogue saying they've been doing it a while, This however just sounds f***ing stupid. Can we have a DCAU Rebirth please, Since movies made after flashpoint have SUCKED (Hopefully KJ breaks the trend but this new info has lowered my standards) I was gonna buy this (I loved the book...sorry) but now I'll watch it another way They'll do a reboot, only this time of will have more Damien Wayne, complete with more Marty Stu-isms. Re: recent DCAU films being terrible, I think Justice League vs Teen Titans was the worst they've ever made. Poor Dick Grayson: if he isn't jobbing to make Damien look strong he's reduced to Creepy Starfire Horndog. The DCAU has been around for 25 years and they STILL treat him as a joke. What exactly does Timm and company have against a guy who's essentially DC's closest thing to a Peter Parker-Steve Rogers hybrid?
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Post by Jiren on Jul 23, 2016 17:15:12 GMT -5
I love Damian to bits but damn his animated stuff is atrocious, And DCAU's treatment of Grayson is deplorable.
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Post by Shai on Jul 23, 2016 17:30:50 GMT -5
Well not seeing this now....now Ive never read killing joke but this is when joker paralyzed her and later she becomes Oracle right? Or is that something else?
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Post by Jiren on Jul 23, 2016 17:37:47 GMT -5
Well not seeing this now....now Ive never read killing joke but this is when joker paralyzed her and later she becomes Oracle right? Or is that something else? She's shot & crippled in Killing Joke but she doesn't become Oracle till after. You really should read Killing Joke, It's damn good plus Brian Bolland's artwork is phenomenal
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Post by Shai on Jul 23, 2016 17:41:02 GMT -5
Well not seeing this now....now Ive never read killing joke but this is when joker paralyzed her and later she becomes Oracle right? Or is that something else? She's shot & crippled in Killing Joke but she doesn't become Oracle till after. You really should read Killing Joke, It's damn good plus Brian Bolland's artwork is phenomenal I'm hitting the going out of business sale at my local hastings tonight....I will pick it up if they have it.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jul 23, 2016 17:43:48 GMT -5
Well not seeing this now....now Ive never read killing joke but this is when joker paralyzed her and later she becomes Oracle right? Or is that something else? She's shot & crippled in Killing Joke but she doesn't become Oracle till after. You really should read Killing Joke, It's damn good plus Brian Bolland's artwork is phenomenal Yeah, Oracle came about because of John Ostrander basically begging DC to let him do something with Barbara because she was treated pretty terribly in Killing Joke and DC was planning on retiring the character entirely.
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Post by Shai on Jul 23, 2016 17:46:44 GMT -5
She's shot & crippled in Killing Joke but she doesn't become Oracle till after. You really should read Killing Joke, It's damn good plus Brian Bolland's artwork is phenomenal Yeah, Oracle came about because of John Ostrander basically begging DC to let him do something with Barbara because she was treated pretty terribly in Killing Joke and DC was planning on retiring the character entirely. See I always thought Barbara as Oracle was awesome....
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Post by Jiren on Jul 23, 2016 17:47:06 GMT -5
She's shot & crippled in Killing Joke but she doesn't become Oracle till after. You really should read Killing Joke, It's damn good plus Brian Bolland's artwork is phenomenal Yeah, Oracle came about because of John Ostrander basically begging DC to let him do something with Barbara because she was treated pretty terribly in Killing Joke and DC was planning on retiring the character entirely. Well done that man And honestly Oracle is/Was my favorite version of Barbara, My fave Batgirl was Steph also I'm liking how Rebirth is re-uniting the Bat family (sorta*), Just add Maya & Goliath and I'll be as happy as a pig in shit *Jason/Babs/Damian are doing their own stuff
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Post by Jeff Mangum PI on Jul 23, 2016 18:27:02 GMT -5
...Annnd another clip just leaked online {Spoiler}{Spoiler}Batgirl being all emotionally muddled after having sex with Bruce, calling him, and him basically cold-shouldering her, all while Babs screams "IT WAS JUST SEX OK? IT'S NOT LIKE I CARE, OR YOU CARE" I am not making this up.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jul 23, 2016 18:40:17 GMT -5
Good or bad, people can vote with their wallets.
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Post by Jiren on Jul 23, 2016 19:50:25 GMT -5
Good or bad, people can vote with their wallets. Which I intend to do. You had one job guys ONE, Even if it was a 40 min movie that was panel for panel the same as the book (And had lots of features) people would've been happy. Hell with the money they saved without the new footage they could've gotten a better animation studio, Just because you can't emulate Bolland's work doesn't mean it has to look terrible.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jul 23, 2016 19:56:31 GMT -5
Yeah, Oracle came about because of John Ostrander basically begging DC to let him do something with Barbara because she was treated pretty terribly in Killing Joke and DC was planning on retiring the character entirely. See I always thought Barbara as Oracle was awesome.... She is/was. I also enjoyed her in a mentor role over Stephanie Brown.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Jul 23, 2016 21:36:57 GMT -5
There you go, Mark Hamill. You got your Killing Joke movie and the rest of us only got the joke part.
Timm doesn't have it anymore. Sucks to see since some of my favorite DC stories came from him but, he's past it.
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