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Post by mo on Dec 2, 2017 18:12:40 GMT -5
Finally saw it and I dug it quite a bit! Superman was Superman! The post-credit scene was great. Give me more of this and I’m all in on this DC Movie business.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 2, 2017 18:47:31 GMT -5
I really liked it. I think DC do action sequences and set pieces better than Marvel.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 2, 2017 18:53:27 GMT -5
Saw it again, my point about there needing to be more time to build up each member stands. This is a movie where only one character in the group is universally beloved, while everyone else is either a blank slate or received mixed reviews.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 2, 2017 18:58:35 GMT -5
I don't see what some of y'all see in Affleck as Batman. He's good in the role, but Keaton and Bale were both way better in my view. If he leaves, eh got a couple of good performances from him; no big deal. With Batman, especially since he hasn't got superpowers, I need to feasibly believe Bruce Wayne can kick the shit out of goons when out of costume. Only Bale and then Affleck gives me this belief out of the live action Batmen. Bruce Wayne or Batman in a room, outnumbered 20 to 1, advantage should always be his.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 2, 2017 18:58:55 GMT -5
I saw the movie a few days ago, and surprisingly, as much as I slagged on the movie's problems over the last year, I actually enjoyed it. It's a mess of a movie, sure, but it also did a good job making it's characters more than one-note charactures, much better than BvS did, and most important of all, it finally got Superman closer to how he should be as a character. You can see Joss Whedon's fingerprints all over it, but it actually worked on a few levels. Really, the movie could have been a lot worse than it was, and it's a good starting point for future movies (if they come.)
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 2, 2017 19:25:45 GMT -5
I don't see what some of y'all see in Affleck as Batman. He's good in the role, but Keaton and Bale were both way better in my view. If he leaves, eh got a couple of good performances from him; no big deal. With Batman, especially since he hasn't got superpowers, I need to feasibly believe Bruce Wayne can kick the shit out of goons when out of costume. Only Bale and then Affleck gives me this belief out of the live action Batmen. Bruce Wayne or Batman in a room, outnumbered 20 to 1, advantage should always be his. See, that's where suspension of disbelief comes in for me. Keaton I can buy just on level of sheer crazy. Whether he's Bruce/Batman, if you wanna get nuts, he's game to get nuts. Hell, even Adam West, in the context of his universe regularly kicked the shit out of multiple opponents. He's Batman. That's really all the belief I need for the most part. I mean it wouldn't work for everybody, Emo Phillips I'm not gonna buy as Batman. But the 'they look like they can kick the shit outta people' doesn't mean that much to me since it's acting.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 2, 2017 19:29:44 GMT -5
Anybody else feel like Affleck just stopped caring halfway into this movie? That's what it seemed like to me.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 2, 2017 19:43:20 GMT -5
Anybody else feel like Affleck just stopped caring halfway into this movie? That's what it seemed like to me. I had the same feeling. The fact that he's looking for a "graceful" way to exit the role is evidence enough that he's at least emotionally checked out. I suspect he wanted to be literally anywhere else during the reshoots.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 2, 2017 20:07:22 GMT -5
Anybody else feel like Affleck just stopped caring halfway into this movie? That's what it seemed like to me. I had the same feeling. The fact that he's looking for a "graceful" way to exit the role is evidence enough that he's at least emotionally checked out. I suspect he wanted to be literally anywhere else during the reshoots. I think we're at a point now where if this is going to continue, you may have to find another Batman. If Affleck is looking for the exit, then you're better off recasting than sticking someone in a role they're miserable in.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 2, 2017 20:57:16 GMT -5
One of the things that got overlooked about the movie was {Spoiler}The first battle of all of the Armies of Earth against Steppenwolf and his forces thousands of years ago. Yes, it was pretty much LOTR light, but goddamnit, GREEN LANTERNS! THE WIZARD SHAZAM! SOME GUY THAT SHOT FIRE (I had no idea who that was, but GREEN LANTERNS AND SHAZAM!!!)
I marked kinda hard at that flashback.
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Post by ronin705 on Dec 2, 2017 21:01:03 GMT -5
I said this in the the infinity war thread but the fact that I grew up DC obsessed yet my entire reaction to the DCEU can be summed up by *meh* sucks. The death of Superman a character I've adored for as long as I can remember caused no emotional response. Meanwhile I had no idea who 90% of the MCU characters were before this started and I cried like a baby at a 2 minute trailer today and I'm genuinely upset at the thought of those characters suffering and dying...Warner Bros. wanted Marvel money and acclaim without putting in Marvel time and effort and they got burned. Yes Justice League will make a shit load of money...but I can bet Infinity War will blow it out of the water. Here's the thing. Had WB actually did things the Marvel way it probably would've ended up ten times worse for them. They would've been accused of copying Marvel's formula, thus resulting in more backlash. In hindsight I can understand why they wanted to do things differently and get to the team up films quickly. Also in retrospect with the exception of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman what other characters in DC can carry their own film? Aquaman is a maybe, Green Lantern is done right can do it, and Flash really only has Flashpoint and Reverse Flash to make an awesome film in my opinion. Other than that? They really don't have any characters that can carry their own stories. Superman and Batman have the most interesting rogue villains anyways. Justice League have the coolest big bads as well. I think a flash vs the rogues in a Christmas set movie (to make snart the lead villain) can definitely work
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 2, 2017 21:05:23 GMT -5
And I'm probably in the minority here, but I really didn't care for Ezra Miller's Flash. TV Barry has a lot of issues with how he's written, but I think he's a lot more likeable than HEY, I'M REALLY FAST AND HYPER BECAUSE THE SPEEDFORCE AND ALSO I'M YOUNG AND I ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS SO THERE'S THAT AND I'M WAY IN OVER MY HEAD HERE OOOOO LOOK A SQUIRREL! Barry.
It's probably because I'm getting older, but it rubbed me the wrong way. A lot more than the Dudebro'ing of Aquaman.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 2, 2017 21:18:17 GMT -5
Ezra was ok, though they did Spidey up Flash a lot more than they needed to do. It didn't ruin anything for me, but they definitely coulda toned it down a notch.
I'm a fan of Dudebro Aquaman though.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 2, 2017 22:25:18 GMT -5
I thought this was common knowledge by now. Personally I think they shouldn't have bothered with CGI and just clutch cargo'd it. A lot of people said that's pretty much what they did, LOL! Eh, it didn't bother me as much as I thought it would. WB was painted into a corner by Paramount's dickishness on the issue, and they made a bad choice. Originally, I thought it would have made more sense to just have Clark be resurrected having a beard, but in the context of the movie, it wouldn't make much sense for him to have one now. So, I think they did the best that they could.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2017 22:27:46 GMT -5
I don't see what some of y'all see in Affleck as Batman. He's good in the role, but Keaton and Bale were both way better in my view. If he leaves, eh got a couple of good performances from him; no big deal. With Batman, especially since he hasn't got superpowers, I need to feasibly believe Bruce Wayne can kick the shit out of goons when out of costume. Only Bale and then Affleck gives me this belief out of the live action Batmen. Bruce Wayne or Batman in a room, outnumbered 20 to 1, advantage should always be his. Honestly Keaton totally has that feel nailed down to me, mostly because he always comes off like he's pretty unhinged but good at keeping a lid on it.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 2, 2017 22:38:35 GMT -5
Ezra was ok, though they did Spidey up Flash a lot more than they needed to do. It didn't ruin anything for me, but they definitely coulda toned it down a notch. I'm a fan of Dudebro Aquaman though. Yeah, that's what I was thinking, that they really wanted him to be MCU Spidey. Maybe that's why it bugged me so much, because I couldn't shake that thought. And people wonder, again, why DC gets the "copying Marvel's successes" knock against them so much.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Dec 3, 2017 0:00:40 GMT -5
I have an honest question. My assistant manager said he believes WB messed up by not integrating the CW's Flash, Supergirl, and Arrow into the DCEU. Would it have been bigger buzz if they actually went in that direction and possibly helped the DCEU in that regard?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 3, 2017 0:12:08 GMT -5
I have an honest question. My assistant manager said he believes WB messed up by not integrating the CW's Flash, Supergirl, and Arrow into the DCEU. Would it have been bigger buzz if they actually went in that direction and possibly helped the DCEU in that regard? It would've stank of desperation, IMO. That being said, I could very well see a multiverse movie happen that brings together the movie and TV characters. The catch is introducing these characters in a way that won't confuse people who are unaware of or don't watch the TV shows. That's one of the reasons why Marvel's TV and movie universes only cross over in one direction.
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Post by Chainsaw on Dec 3, 2017 3:23:12 GMT -5
I have an honest question. My assistant manager said he believes WB messed up by not integrating the CW's Flash, Supergirl, and Arrow into the DCEU. Would it have been bigger buzz if they actually went in that direction and possibly helped the DCEU in that regard? It would have helped in the recognition factor and getting CW fans into the theater, but now I kind of understand why they didn't do it. It could have painted both the movie, and the shows, into a corner. The series' pride themselves in the multiverse aspect that allowed them to bring Supergirl into the mix, and trying to make that work in the framework of the DCEU might have been problematic. It's almost certain that the DCEU never existed in the context of the shows, they could have made Grant, Stephen, and Melissa just their Earth-Whatever counterparts, but it would have confused and probably angered the fans of the show. And the shows would always have the specter of the Trinity hanging over them, knowing full well they'd never be able to have Affleck, Cavill, or Gadot on the show. It would have been an ill fit.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 3, 2017 3:31:24 GMT -5
I mean it wouldn't work for everybody, Emo Phillips I'm not gonna buy as Batman. But the 'they look like they can kick the shit outta people' doesn't mean that much to me since it's acting. It is acting, but being Batman is also a physical role. Keaton may have got the attitude right, but struggled to throw a convincing kick. I don't think they got it right till Bale in that aspect. If Rocky Balboa showed up in the shape and onscreen using the punching technique as Keaton was or even Clooney, I would struggle to suspend my disbelief that he could go the distance.
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