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Post by Urfarkendarf on Aug 1, 2016 1:21:48 GMT -5
The big difference (espc using the example that you used) is that HHH is a former worker, and he was one of the best of his generation. Of course he's going to have a sort of "complex" when comparing himself to the two biggest stars of his era. That said, it can be argued that those two (less Austin, but definitely Rock) and someone like Mick Foley do not get to the heights they did unless they have the antagonist that HHH was to feed off of. HHH was literally the guy that Rock's career was made against when he shot up post-Corporate Rock into his face turn. The guy that he was feuding with a lot of the time Austin was out injured was HHH. I totally get and readily agree that HHH at a time was overly political and used his marriage in some ways to further himself, but the guy deserves a massive ton of credit for how good of a heel he really was. HHH's "complex" at least makes complete sense. He's coming from being a top worker where everything is a competition. I also believe that this has helped him in his current role, as he's not in competition with anyone and can get over nonsense to do business.
Vince's pettiness comes from a different place. He's left money on table simply to make a (crappy) point or to punish someone. He's held non-sensical grudges as well. I don't think there's even much of a competition in this discussion. Vince's pettiness is largely him taking things personally.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 1, 2016 1:26:17 GMT -5
What's the problem with that tho? Obviously not knowing that was the beginning of the end of Daniel Bryan as we know it that would of been logical conclusion for his reign to end. The fans had to hijack shows to make WWE give them what they wanted. WWE finally gives in and puts on the most satisfying WrestleMania main event in five years, if not more. And if things had gone as planned, the man of the people would've been crushed and suplexed to hell and back, made to look like a helpless child. All because the fans had finally put their foot down about the amount of crap they were willing to choke down. That's some highly concentrated pettiness right there. But Lesnar did it to Cena, so plans didn't change when Bryan was out. Brock was going to do that to anybody who held the title, just to set up Brock as the final boss of the WWE, a guy you weren't going to beat. That character is still going. Brock's only lost one match (he didn't get pinned to lose the title and in the rematch Taker caused the match to be thrown out), and that was a match where he made Taker tap out, Taker kicked him in the nards, and made him pass out with Hell's Gate, after Brock flipped him off while in the move. Hell, Brock did the same thing to Seth that he was supposed to do to Bryan.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 1, 2016 1:29:38 GMT -5
Sable didn't no sell Vince's finisher at his first Wrestlemania though. And when damn near everybody was on Vince's side. Pretty much the only ones that weren't on Vince's side were the Nuggets and the NBA office. Vince had the mainstream media on his side during that mess, and he goes out and does that skit. One incident saw a mid-card wrestler get squashed by a main event guy coming back after a layoff. The other involved millions of real dollars in the balance and the breakdown of a real relationship between a heavily pushed employee and an employer. To even compare the two situations is pretty absurd unless the wrestler in question that's getting squahsed has enough insecurities to build a house. FFS, HHH did the exact same thing to guys that were in his position when he himself was a main event guy a little over a decade later so I don't really see why that is a definitive sign that Vince is more petty. You lost a fake wrestling match nearly 15 years earlier before having a super successful career, you should be over it, lol. It's great that he did it but I'm not gonna pat him on the back because of it. While this is true, and I agree which is worse. This is wrestling, we can't pretend that some people wouldn't get over the lawsuit before the loss.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 1, 2016 1:48:13 GMT -5
What's the problem with that tho? Obviously not knowing that was the beginning of the end of Daniel Bryan as we know it that would of been logical conclusion for his reign to end. The fans had to hijack shows to make WWE give them what they wanted. WWE finally gives in and puts on the most satisfying WrestleMania main event in five years, if not more. And if things had gone as planned, the man of the people would've been crushed and suplexed to hell and back, made to look like a helpless child. All because the fans had finally put their foot down about the amount of crap they were willing to choke down. That's some highly concentrated pettiness right there. I see no problem with it. Brock just defeated The Undertaker and ended the streak and now decimates the ultimate babyface never say die Daniel Bryan. Imo that would of been a great way to end Bryan reign and Brock looks like a complete monster. However, his beating of Cena probably meant more in the grand scheme of things so Daniel saved himself a lot of pain
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Post by warriorthug4edge on Aug 1, 2016 1:53:12 GMT -5
The fans had to hijack shows to make WWE give them what they wanted. WWE finally gives in and puts on the most satisfying WrestleMania main event in five years, if not more. And if things had gone as planned, the man of the people would've been crushed and suplexed to hell and back, made to look like a helpless child. All because the fans had finally put their foot down about the amount of crap they were willing to choke down. That's some highly concentrated pettiness right there. I see no problem with it. Brock just defeated The Undertaker and ended the streak and now decimates the ultimate babyface never say die Daniel Bryan. Imo that would of been a great way to end Bryan reign and Brock looks like a complete monster. However, his beating of Cena probably meant more in the grand scheme of things so Daniel saved himself a lot of pain I also don't know if we get face (or likable) Lesnar if he murders Bryan. Cena getting beaten like that was cathartic for a LOT of people.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 1, 2016 2:02:10 GMT -5
I see no problem with it. Brock just defeated The Undertaker and ended the streak and now decimates the ultimate babyface never say die Daniel Bryan. Imo that would of been a great way to end Bryan reign and Brock looks like a complete monster. However, his beating of Cena probably meant more in the grand scheme of things so Daniel saved himself a lot of pain I also don't know if we get face (or likable) Lesnar if he murders Bryan. Cena getting beaten like that was cathartic for a LOT of people. Lesnar would of been nowhere near likable. People was still despising him at the time before Cena ass whooping because "he didn't deserve" to end the streak he doesn't care about wrestling. That hate went away when he massacred Cena and brought about Suplex City. He does that same thing to Bryan people would of exploded.
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Post by nate5054 on Aug 1, 2016 2:18:03 GMT -5
I think the whole ENOS! thing makes Vince the winner. That took being petty to shocking new levels, which is sad because Vince was in the right in that case but he can never seem to take three high road and thus loses any sympathy he might have.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Aug 1, 2016 2:31:13 GMT -5
Want to.know who's more petty? Look how the invasion angle played out. There's your answer
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 1, 2016 2:40:36 GMT -5
I don't think it's really a fair comparison. Vince's pettiness has been for his multi-million (even billion) dollar company, the product of his entire life's work, spending and sacrifice. I think in his position, I'd be protective of my company and my industry to petty levels. Triple H's pettiness is entirely self-serving because of his own insecurity.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Aug 1, 2016 3:25:54 GMT -5
I think Triple H is more pretty than Vince. Not to say Vince isn't an attractive man. I'm sure he was quite pretty back in the day.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Aug 1, 2016 3:28:14 GMT -5
I think Triple H is more pretty than Vince. Not to say Vince isn't an attractive man. I'm sure he was quite pretty back in the day. You literally just beat me to the punch. I too misread the title as pretty and wasn't quite sure how to answer.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 1, 2016 4:19:28 GMT -5
I don't think it's really a fair comparison. Vince's pettiness has been for his multi-million (even billion) dollar company, the product of his entire life's work, spending and sacrifice. I think in his position, I'd be protective of my company and my industry to petty levels. Triple H's pettiness is entirely self-serving because of his own insecurity. But what about the inverse? Vince McMahon's pettiness has cost his company money and involved putting on terrible segments just to use a television show he writes to embarrass caricatures of people who have slighted him, not to mention had a negative impact on the careers of people who had the gall to work for WCW when it was bought out by way of making sure that few of them were ever treated as worth as much as they had been in WCW. It's a pettiness that has nothing to do with protecting his business and everything to do with inadvertantly costing it. By contrast, Triple H's pettiness is relegated entirely to wanting people to think his wrestling character is as good and legendary as he does. It's a much healthier exercise in ego for someone who's spent years at the top of a business where you can really only name a short handful of people at best who managed to reach the top without having an oversized ego.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 1, 2016 5:02:06 GMT -5
Triple H hasn't really been in a position to be as petty as Vince on a national stage yet, but what we have seen doesn't exactly fill me with hope. Hunter and Shawn wanted to bury the Rock so deep he would never have been able to claw his way up the card like he did, Hunter was involved in Montreal, there's the Hunter over all comers booking of the 2000s which writers have confirmed he had a hand in, there's all the nasty little 4th wall breaking digs at his rivals. He dumped on Warrior, I've little doubt that he filmed a slew of material for the one on Bret too, he went over Punk when there was no earthly reason to do so and so on and so forth.
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Post by onestepplan on Aug 1, 2016 5:10:37 GMT -5
It's Vince in a walk. Triple H at his worst buried who? Booker T, Goldberg, Scott Steiner, RVD? All big stars from other companies. Triple H was just a tool. Vince knew what he was doing.
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Post by TGM on Aug 1, 2016 7:17:11 GMT -5
Vince McMahon and that whole NBA arena mix up from a few years ago. Doesn't get more lame and petty than that.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Aug 1, 2016 7:47:28 GMT -5
My vote is for Tom. He's clearly the most Petty. All of you Richard stans can get out! What about Lori?
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Post by CM Parish on Aug 1, 2016 7:52:17 GMT -5
I think Vince still looks good for his age. I'd say Vince is the prettier one.
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Post by Lt. Palumbo on Aug 1, 2016 8:06:02 GMT -5
That's like asking what's hotter, the sun or a star. They're both cartoonishly, infantilely, inhumanly petty. Are you saying that Triple H is just one specific instance of the entity type Vince? Incidentally, if we're nominating for most petty, I'll throw my name in
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Post by BRAINFADE on Aug 1, 2016 8:16:57 GMT -5
Seriously, what the hell happened with the NBA arena mix up? I wasn't watching much at the time, and it got zero coverage on the news over here in the UK, so I've never really gotten a true grasp of what happened.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Aug 1, 2016 8:24:19 GMT -5
Seriously, what the hell happened with the NBA arena mix up? I wasn't watching much at the time, and it got zero coverage on the news over here in the UK, so I've never really gotten a true grasp of what happened. RAW was booked for the arena in Denver, months ahead of time as they do. However, the Denver Nuggets NBA team needed it for a playoff game, despite having not booked the date in advance because they weren't expecting to make the playoffs, and basically kicked them out. Had they done their due diligence and booked the date as insurance, RAW would have simply been booked elsewhere and there'd be no issue. However, this was an issue because fans had paid for tickets and WWE had to book elsewhere on short notice. Ironically, they moved that RAW to the arena in Los Angeles, Denver's opponents in those playoffs. Vince actually had the moral high ground in this situation, only to lose it by spending that episode taking potshots at everyone.
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