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Post by MrElijah on Dec 4, 2016 13:41:16 GMT -5
I can understand why WCW treated Ric Flair as badly as they did from 94 onward. Good as he is, the guy is an ass, and they didn't need his star power as badly so chickens came home to roost for the Nature Boy, all his temper tantrums, politicing and other nonsense no longer flew and the knives came out from people who he was an ass to while on top. He could have gone back to the WWF to get away, but he didn't want to take a paycut. With that said, as much we hear about Hogan and HBK, nobody really calls out Flair on his political game.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 4, 2016 14:27:41 GMT -5
Most indy fans act like outside of Chikara,Evolve,ROH,CZW and PWG that no other indys exist. Just like how you rarely hear anything about all the great indies in TX/LA/MS/AL. I can tell you why that is. Lack of coverage. The more popular indies do everything they can to get their brand out there. Not just merch and DVDs but they get their results out there for people to read about to get their curiosity up. They plug their shows on as many messageboards as they can. There are people within the companies posing as fans that spread the word as much as possible. They know the product best so it's easiest for them to shill it. If other indies were as aggressive with their self promotion and if their product was just as good, they might be talked about more too.
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Post by Ozman on Dec 4, 2016 14:40:11 GMT -5
I can understand why WCW treated Ric Flair as badly as they did from 94 onward. Good as he is, the guy is an ass, and they didn't need his star power as badly so chickens came home to roost for the Nature Boy, all his temper tantrums, politicing and other nonsense no longer flew and the knives came out from people who he was an ass to while on top. He could have gone back to the WWF to get away, but he didn't want to take a paycut. With that said, as much we hear about Hogan and HBK, nobody really calls out Flair on his political game. This is true. There's a reason that Flair held the NWA title pretty much non stop from 1983 to 1990.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 4, 2016 15:01:08 GMT -5
Jim Hellwig was a piece of shit who deserved none of the sympathy shown after he died.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 16:07:02 GMT -5
And I don't recall Styles ever apologizing. At least Jay Briscoe did after his remarks. AJ is just a piece of crap. And is rumored to be a bit racist also. Jay did at least apologize for what he said. AJ I doubt never will. If it wasn't for some of the rules here I would post what I have heard he said/did to Lazz back when they were both working lots of GA indies. The blind eye that gets turned to AJ's behaviour because he's an indy darling is hilarious. A lot of people think it's just the harmless "gay community!" thing and laugh it off. He has a lot of history though. As late as last year he was still making awful comments.
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Post by Ultimo Gallos on Dec 4, 2016 16:43:25 GMT -5
Most indy fans act like outside of Chikara,Evolve,ROH,CZW and PWG that no other indys exist. Just like how you rarely hear anything about all the great indies in TX/LA/MS/AL. I can tell you why that is. Lack of coverage. The more popular indies do everything they can to get their brand out there. Not just merch and DVDs but they get their results out there for people to read about to get their curiosity up. They plug their shows on as many messageboards as they can. There are people within the companies posing as fans that spread the word as much as possible. They know the product best so it's easiest for them to shill it. If other indies were as aggressive with their self promotion and if their product was just as good, they might be talked about more too. That is one of the reasons a bunch of us started a FB group for MS indy wrestling. And why we started taking pics/video at every show we goto.About the only time I have seen any wrestling news site mention a deep south fed was when Buku Dao got signed to a WWE developmental deal. Then ,depending on who you talk to,he either got cut right before he left cause of cut backs,or since the deal was to be a ref he told them he wanted to wrestle not ref and they decided to take back the deal.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Dec 4, 2016 17:17:10 GMT -5
Jim Hellwig was a piece of shit who deserved none of the sympathy shown after he died. He had some pretty abhorrent views.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 5, 2016 11:18:22 GMT -5
Whatever people think of the Broken stuff, the Hardys deserve credit for being one of the few attitude era survivors to actually develop whole new characters when it would have been a lot easier for them to drift the indy scene, Mexico and Japan as the older, more banged up version of Team Extreme, like the Dudleys and the New Age Outlaws.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2016 13:48:54 GMT -5
This stuff with Ellsworth needs to go. It ran its course a while back and now is bordering on too much.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Dec 5, 2016 14:47:18 GMT -5
I have nothing but love for Misawa, but he was broken down and not much fun to watch by 2005. He should have retired by then. WCW in the mid 90s had a lot of crap, but there was stuff I enjoyed about it. The Dungeon of Doom were so stupid they were kind of endearing. And Flair in early 1996 was awesome, hijacking the commentary booth and sneak attacking everyone left and right. "Hogan! We got the belts! We got the girls!" Totally agreed on Misawa. Love the guy and consider him among the very best ever, but hanging on has long as he did was just plain stupid honestly. He should have hung them up after the match with Kawada at Destiny and moved to a corporate role. He might still be around today if he did.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 5, 2016 14:58:34 GMT -5
AJ is just a piece of crap. And is rumored to be a bit racist also. Jay did at least apologize for what he said. AJ I doubt never will. If it wasn't for some of the rules here I would post what I have heard he said/did to Lazz back when they were both working lots of GA indies. The blind eye that gets turned to AJ's behaviour because he's an indy darling is hilarious. A lot of people think it's just the harmless "gay community!" thing and laugh it off. He has a lot of history though. As late as last year he was still making awful comments. As big of an AJ fan as I am, I agree there's no excuse for that from him. I'd love it if he spoke out and apologized.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 5, 2016 15:44:24 GMT -5
Jim Hellwig was a piece of shit who deserved none of the sympathy shown after he died. He had some pretty abhorrent views. Absolutely. That said, one of the biggest gripes you hear about the guy is total BS; "He couldn't wrestle or cut a promo and he only got that big push because of his looks." In other words someone had more success than you at something without even really trying. That's called life.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 5, 2016 15:50:33 GMT -5
I think The Rock has overtaken Hogan for biggest name in wrestling at this point.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 5, 2016 15:55:06 GMT -5
Here's something weird (for me, at least), and I really don't quite understand it myself.
I tend not to care much about a wrestler's social views. I tend not to care if they'd hate me irrationally IRL upon sight, based solely upon "group identity".
Which is weird, because I do kind of get self-conscious about that sometimes when it comes to musicians, or other types of actors.
But it's hard for me to get worked up when a wrestler says something offensive. I'm not really sure why that is.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 5, 2016 16:08:54 GMT -5
I think The Rock has overtaken Hogan for biggest name in wrestling at this point. As far as currently being the most famous wrestler in the world, active or retired? Oh yeah. Especially when you consider his box office muscle.
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Post by The 1Watcher Experience on Dec 5, 2016 16:11:01 GMT -5
Here's something weird (for me, at least), and I really don't quite understand it myself. I tend not to care much about a wrestler's social views. I tend not to care if they'd hate me irrationally IRL upon sight, based solely upon "group identity". Which is weird, because I do kind of get self-conscious about that sometimes when it comes to musicians, or other types of actors. But it's hard for me to get worked up when a wrestler says something offensive. I'm not really sure why that is. It could be because you're such a big fan of wrestling and the wrestlers themselves. We tend to be more forgiving and accepting of the things we love.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 5, 2016 16:26:10 GMT -5
Here's something weird (for me, at least), and I really don't quite understand it myself. I tend not to care much about a wrestler's social views. I tend not to care if they'd hate me irrationally IRL upon sight, based solely upon "group identity". Which is weird, because I do kind of get self-conscious about that sometimes when it comes to musicians, or other types of actors. But it's hard for me to get worked up when a wrestler says something offensive. I'm not really sure why that is. It could be because you're such a big fan of wrestling and the wrestlers themselves. We tend to be more forgiving and accepting of the things we love. Sometimes I have been self conscious regarding artists, musicians, etc who have said or done awful things. I can still enjoy their work in many cases, but I don't have a problem with disavowing their actions or statements. He had some pretty abhorrent views. Absolutely. That said, one of the biggest gripes you hear about the guy is total BS; "He couldn't wrestle or cut a promo and he only got that big push because of his looks." In other words someone had more success than you at something without even really trying. That's called life. Warrior is a good example. I would never say the man was untalented, he could put on good matches with certain guys and he had real charisma. But as far as his comments on LGBT people, I can't defend him there.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Dec 5, 2016 16:27:14 GMT -5
I think The Rock has overtaken Hogan for biggest name in wrestling at this point. Yea that is a given. Crazy considering he went from rookie to legend in only what 8 years of time in terms of him being an active wrestler. With his box office success he has become the biggest name that has come from wrestling
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Post by chazraps on Dec 5, 2016 21:12:01 GMT -5
AJ is just a piece of crap. And is rumored to be a bit racist also. Jay did at least apologize for what he said. AJ I doubt never will. If it wasn't for some of the rules here I would post what I have heard he said/did to Lazz back when they were both working lots of GA indies. The blind eye that gets turned to AJ's behaviour because he's an indy darling is hilarious. A lot of people think it's just the harmless "gay community!" thing and laugh it off. He has a lot of history though. As late as last year he was still making awful comments. Such as...?
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Dec 5, 2016 21:36:07 GMT -5
A couple more:
1. I was a WCW fan who continued watching Nitro even through 1998 and 1999 when the WWF was regaining the ratings lead. If I had to do it all over again and decide which product from those years I'd rather watch...I'd STILL choose WCW over the WWF.
WCW's product absolutely had problems during this time period, but I still like that product better than I like the Attitude Era during the Russo-as-head-writer years. I disliked the latter product back then, and I dislike it now.
2000 is a different story; I'd easily switch and watch the WWF over WCW during that time period.
Not so coincidentally, this means that I like whichever product is NOT booked by Vince Russo.
2. I liked Disco Inferno. He was like the Santino of his day. What can I say? He had his niche, and was entertaining in his own unique way.
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