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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 5, 2016 21:46:11 GMT -5
1998 WCW was terrible.
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Post by Sephiroth on Dec 5, 2016 21:51:47 GMT -5
Mick Foley was/is a lousy wrestler. And I mean that from a ring action standpoint. In his peak there was no better a master of ring psychology, nor more better a talker in the entire industry. But he was always rubbish in the ring. Its little shock his career really began gain traction when he was in the death match leagues of Japan or in ECW, because those were the kind of environments that played to his strengths. Foley needed the hardcore style to cover just how bad he was in the ring. He probably would not have gone as far as he did in the WWF during the Attitude Era if he had not had the advantage of being on a level with talent who were are more capable in the thing than he was like Undertaker, Austin, The Rock, and Triple H.
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Post by Mozenrath on Dec 5, 2016 22:12:54 GMT -5
Mick Foley was/is a lousy wrestler. And I mean that from a ring action standpoint. In his peak there was no better a master of ring psychology, nor more better a talker in the entire industry. But he was always rubbish in the ring. Its little shock his career really began gain traction when he was in the death match leagues of Japan or in ECW, because those were the kind of environments that played to his strengths. Foley needed the hardcore style to cover just how bad he was in the ring. He probably would not have gone as far as he did in the WWF during the Attitude Era if he had not had the advantage of being on a level with talent who were are more capable in the thing than he was like Undertaker, Austin, The Rock, and Triple H. If we're talking, like, 1999 and onward, maybe, but I don't otherwise agree, since I think while it's easy to credit some stuff like Mind Games to HBK, he didn't pull that match off all by himself. Shawn was around his peak in terms of physical performances, but I don't think he could carry someone to a classic if they didn't carry their weight, too. Granted, it did help that the Kliq were seemingly cool with Foley and Shawn didn't drag his heels in selling for him, and even putting him over by tapping to the mandible claw after the match was over, but I am digressing. I think Foley was eventually broken down, but he had more to offer than just tack bumps or chair shots.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Dec 5, 2016 22:22:36 GMT -5
1. For all his mistakes and shortcomings, I don't hate Eric Bischoff as much as other people do. He made some great contributions to the wrestling industry, I respect that, and on balance, I have a neutral view of him.
2. I liked Randy Savage's neon cowboy outfits, and that look is the main way I remember him.
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Post by benstudd on Dec 6, 2016 1:17:22 GMT -5
I liked the Finger-Poke of Doom when it happened.
I wasn't a fan of 1998 that much. The nWo split in two just didn't work. The Wolfpac were too soft and babyface and lacking balls with a cheerleader like Konan. Then you had the Black and White with Hogan and a bunch of jobbers, without Hall and Nash(as a duo) they were not cool at all.
The only bright spots of 1998 were Goldberg winning the title, the Goldberg vs DDP match and the Horsemen reunification.
So 1999 starts with the original nWo coming back together. And in a shocking swerve. As a fan of the NWA and WCW, the 4h and nWo, I loved swerves. And as someone who missed the year 1996 and 1997, this felt like a return to form.
Not only that, it's the two most successful acts in WCW, the nWo and Goldberg, preparing for war. This had all the makings of something epic. The problem wasn't the Finger-poke, the problem was they did nothing afterwards! There wasn't any nWo-Goldberg war, for whatever reasons they deciced to have Flair vs Hogan for the gazillion times.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Dec 6, 2016 1:24:28 GMT -5
The blind eye that gets turned to AJ's behaviour because he's an indy darling is hilarious. A lot of people think it's just the harmless "gay community!" thing and laugh it off. He has a lot of history though. As late as last year he was still making awful comments. Such as...? Genuinely curious as well. I'd even heard an interview with him where they joked about the whole "gay community" thing and said he had no problem with anyone's sexual orientation.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 6, 2016 9:45:55 GMT -5
Genuinely curious as well. I'd even heard an interview with him where they joked about the whole "gay community" thing and said he had no problem with anyone's sexual orientation. AJ Styles happily throws gay slurs around, both in and out of character and was cutting promos like this one in 2015, after all the advancements in gay rights over the years and after one of his coworkers in TNA had to issue a public apology for a lesser comment made in character as an obnoxious bully. AJ Styles is supposedly someone who refuses to curse because of his religious beliefs, yet stuff like that is just fine. I've never heard any interviews with AJ where he's remotely apologetic for this sort of thing, heck, people don't call him out on it at all, most interviews are 'Why are you so great and why are TNA so awful?' It's amusing really, people view TNA as some millstone that stopped him being great over the years, when the reality is that he'd be about as well regarded as Jay Briscoe if he'd spent the past decade cutting promos like that on the indy scene.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Dec 6, 2016 10:22:12 GMT -5
2. I liked Randy Savage's neon cowboy outfits, and that look is the main way I remember him. Not sure how Sacrilegious it is but yeah I usually think of Macho as the Neon Cowboy.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Dec 6, 2016 10:28:08 GMT -5
Genuinely curious as well. I'd even heard an interview with him where they joked about the whole "gay community" thing and said he had no problem with anyone's sexual orientation. AJ Styles happily throws gay slurs around, both in and out of character and was cutting promos like this one in 2015, after all the advancements in gay rights over the years and after one of his coworkers in TNA had to issue a public apology for a lesser comment made in character as an obnoxious bully. AJ Styles is supposedly someone who refuses to curse because of his religious beliefs, yet stuff like that is just fine. I've never heard any interviews with AJ where he's remotely apologetic for this sort of thing, heck, people don't call him out on it at all, most interviews are 'Why are you so great and why are TNA so awful?' It's amusing really, people view TNA as some millstone that stopped him being great over the years, when the reality is that he'd be about as well regarded as Jay Briscoe if he'd spent the past decade cutting promos like that on the indy scene. I'm trying to find the interview I referenced in my last post, but that's seriously messed up if he throws them around that freely. I'd only ever heard him use one on a TNA broadcast around 2003 and I just chalked it up to youth and ignorance. 2. I liked Randy Savage's neon cowboy outfits, and that look is the main way I remember him. Not sure how Sacrilegious it is but yeah I usually think of Macho as the Neon Cowboy. Because I started watching in late 1990 when he'd already mostly shifted to that look, it was a little jarring the first time I saw older footage of him in tights.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Dec 6, 2016 10:33:55 GMT -5
Also speaking of Randy Savage: I think the best theme song he ever had was his original WCW theme. I think the badass, over-the-top, electric guitar rock opera version of Pomp and Circumstance is more epic and more suited to the Macho Man character than plain ol' Pomp and Circumstance.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 6, 2016 11:25:45 GMT -5
2. I liked Randy Savage's neon cowboy outfits, and that look is the main way I remember him. Not sure how Sacrilegious it is but yeah I usually think of Macho as the Neon Cowboy. Late 80s Savage is my favorite look of his, but when I first started watching wrestling he was in his first or second year as the Technicolor Cowboy. Either way, his look always screamed "big star".
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Post by lesleymoon on Dec 6, 2016 12:24:43 GMT -5
I enjoyed Hogan winning the title at WMIX. I enjoyed WM IX. I watched it just recently, still fun!
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Post by Ozman on Dec 6, 2016 12:35:50 GMT -5
I think The Rock has overtaken Hogan for biggest name in wrestling at this point. Dwayne Johnson is amazing!!! I enjoy most of his non-wrestling stuff. It's The Rock character that I'm not a fan of, especially his recent WWE stuff.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Dec 6, 2016 12:59:38 GMT -5
I enjoyed Hogan winning the title at WMIX. I enjoyed WM IX. I watched it just recently, still fun! Completely unrelated to the topic at hand, but when I was scrolling past your sig, it looked for a split second like Punk was holding both the WWE and Divas title.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Dec 6, 2016 15:21:04 GMT -5
1. For all his mistakes and shortcomings, I don't hate Eric Bischoff as much as other people do. He made some great contributions to the wrestling industry, I respect that, and on balance, I have a neutral view of him. 2. I liked Randy Savage's neon cowboy outfits, and that look is the main way I remember him. Macho was already relegated to the commentary table by the time I started watching, so yeah, I tend to only think of him as the Neon Cowboy or his nWo incarnation.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 16:52:00 GMT -5
The blind eye that gets turned to AJ's behaviour because he's an indy darling is hilarious. A lot of people think it's just the harmless "gay community!" thing and laugh it off. He has a lot of history though. As late as last year he was still making awful comments. Such as...? Those first two videos are 12 years apart and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that these companies don't script their wrestler's promos verbatim, WWE style. He just likes using fag/faggot as an insult even if he's supposed to be a babyface, which he was in those promotions at the time of those first two. And there is at least one example of a gay indy wrestler claiming AJ tried to "talk him out of" his homosexualitty. He's a redneck from the South, yeah, but I'm not giving him a pass for being an ignorant piece of crap.
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Post by chazraps on Dec 6, 2016 17:15:34 GMT -5
Those first two videos are 12 years apart and I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that these companies don't script their wrestler's promos verbatim, WWE style. He just likes using fag/faggot as an insult even if he's supposed to be a babyface, which he was in those promotions at the time of those first two. And there is at least one example of a gay indy wrestler claiming AJ tried to "talk him out of" his homosexualitty. He's a redneck from the South, yeah, but I'm not giving him a pass for being an ignorant piece of crap. That first one's the only one that's really damning. The other one are all very 2003 and, not to "give a pass," but who someone was 13 years ago isn't necessarily indicative of who they are today. That first one though, wow. "Go find you a life partner," really only one way to take that.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Dec 7, 2016 10:34:56 GMT -5
The WWE's rehab offer and legends deals are a joke. Both have been used in the most cynical way to get former talent, often at the lowest point in their lives to sign away various rights, from royalties from 'future technologies' and their right to sue over injuries sustained on the WWE's watch. As much as people like to rag on Scott Steiner, he's 100% right in the way he's handled the WWE's approaches, consulting a lawyer when he got the first offer for a legends deal, who stated what they wanted him to sign was basically illegal and not worth the paper it's written on.
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Post by häšhtå.gdālėÿ on Dec 8, 2016 2:21:50 GMT -5
I found Christian quite overrated as both a wrestler and promo (especially as a face) and that Randy Orton beating him for the title after 2 days was both;
A: Hilarious & B: Absolutely the right call. Christian should never have been at World Title level.
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Post by The Thread Barbi on Dec 8, 2016 6:25:54 GMT -5
I agree with Bret Hart's view.
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