TheDieselTrain
Fry's dog Seymour
Chicks Dig Hootie.
Is Stone Cold gonna have to smack a bitch?? WHAT!!!?????
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Post by TheDieselTrain on Aug 27, 2016 18:23:20 GMT -5
I've never really cared for Ambrose and am baffled why he's still wwe champ.
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chazraps
Wade Wilson
Better have my money when I come-a collect!
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Post by chazraps on Aug 27, 2016 18:38:13 GMT -5
So...he's significantly more than a glorified stuntman. Perhaps slightly more than glorified stuntman, then. If you have to basically kill yourself in order to get to show the other, better, parts of your skillset, you're a stuntman in my opinion. So psychology and charisma are only of slight importance in wrestling, and every memorable Foley match only comes down to some sort of stunt?
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chazraps
Wade Wilson
Better have my money when I come-a collect!
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Post by chazraps on Aug 27, 2016 18:39:55 GMT -5
"I'm marking out bro!" is a perfectly acceptable face announcer reaction to a return, and the genuininess of it sold the moment well. For him to get in trouble for it is stupid, and for fans to turn on him because of it is double-stupid. Striker is a great commentator, he just didn't have chemistry with Cole/Lawler. The backlash toward his work (when he was excellent with the equally under-appreciated Todd Philips) is as if the fans decided JR and Ventura were both actually terrible commentators because they didn't have chemistry together.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 27, 2016 19:21:44 GMT -5
Muhammad Hassan sucked and couldn't do anything but suck.
There's the fundamental problem of Marc Copani not being all that good, but that aside, the original idea for the character was interesting. For a movie or TV show. What the hell can be done with that in the context of wrestling?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 27, 2016 19:34:46 GMT -5
Robbie E is a solid performer who's way too good for TNA. Godderz isn't bad either, the BroMans could be a fun addition to WWE's midcard.
I like Charlotte's bitchy promos.
I thought 2006 DX vs. Vince was hilarious.
Orton has never bored me on the mic or in the ring. The quality of his feuds are hit or miss, but I blame the writing more than him.
Goldust could have been a great world champion in mid 90s WWF.
Scott Steiner is just underrated in general.
I think Joey Styles is annoying.
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The Ichi
Patti Mayonnaise
AGGRESSIVE Executive Janitor of the Third Floor Manager's Bathroom
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 27, 2016 19:50:39 GMT -5
Alright, I guess I gotta be the one.
Broken Matt Hardy sucks.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 27, 2016 19:55:10 GMT -5
Alright, I guess I gotta be the one. Broken Matt Hardy sucks. I haven't seen it, so I can't definitively say, but literally everything I have heard about it makes it sound completely stupid.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 27, 2016 20:24:52 GMT -5
Just wanted to take a moment to second this. In and out of the ring, Uncle Ivan is awesome.
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Post by Bob Schlapowitz on Aug 27, 2016 21:48:22 GMT -5
I'll take 2006 DX over 1998-99 DX any day.
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Deleted Member
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 22:08:43 GMT -5
Current TNA gets too much hate for its in-ring product which is ok-ish (they deserve it for all the behind the scenes debacles).
HHH's plan to monopolize the best young talent in the performance center and nxt house show circuit will end in tears, eventually everyone will have the same style, fans will get bored and they'll be a drought of talent on the indies to choose from.
For value for money the network is really good but for buffering and picture/sound quality it is no where near the standards netflix and hulu have set.
Ivory was the most talented all rounder of the AE womens wrestlers by a mile.
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Johnny Flamingo
Hank Scorpio
Killing the business one post at a time
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Aug 27, 2016 22:23:21 GMT -5
CZW is the best indy promotion in the US. People only talk about the deathmatches but they are a very well rounded company that presents multiple styles and are pretty comfortable being who they are. I find most wrestling promotions can get stagnant and boring at time, I've never watched a CZW show that "bored" me.
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Emmet Russell
King Koopa
Quieter
The best wrestler on earth.
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Post by Emmet Russell on Aug 27, 2016 22:23:39 GMT -5
I don't know if this would qualify but since he tends to get some flack for this...I think Lex Luger was a very good worker who should get more credit for the matches he had. I'll always love that later in his career, his version of selling was to audibly yell "ouch" each time he was hit.
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Post by eDemento2099 on Aug 27, 2016 22:44:35 GMT -5
I cringe more seeing big bumps guys take to their back like WWE does in ladder matches than I do seeing an IWA-MS light tube gash on the forehead. Gotta agree with you on that point.
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Nikki Heyman
Fry's dog Seymour
EXTREEEEEME Pony Manager
✬ Believe In The Fight ✬
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Post by Nikki Heyman on Aug 28, 2016 0:00:26 GMT -5
I'll take 2006 DX over 1998-99 DX any day. Seconded! HHH and HBK were having a blast, and that shone through the product.
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StuntGranny®
Bill S. Preston, Esq.
Not Actually a Granny
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Post by StuntGranny® on Aug 28, 2016 0:24:27 GMT -5
I have all kinds of horrible wrestling opinions!
- All three Shield members are terrible. - ECW was terrible. - The Matt Hardy stuff is just flat-out awful. The Final Deletion was embarrassing. - Cursing on commentary (As in dropping "f***s", "shits", and the like is a sure fire way to make me not care about your promotion. I'm no prude, but it comes across as REALLY bush league. Not sure how "controversial" this is, but yeah. - When WCW died, wrestling took a massive hit and it has never recovered. - In that same vein, Vince McMahon Jr. is one of the worst things to ever happen to professional wrestling. - Goldberg was awesome. While the man himself may have not been the best wrestler on the planet, the gimmick itself was really cool. I'll never forget that debut against Hugh Morris or his title win in the Georgia Dome. - Arn Anderson was the most talented Horsemen and it isn't even close. - Every member of the Bullet Club that isn't named Kenny Omega sucks. - A lot of Jim Cornette's opinions on wrestling aren't wrong. Yes, I realize that this is current-day wrestling's equivalent of saying, "Hitler had a few good ideas!" - I am not a huge fan of tag-team wrestling.
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canal
Samurai Cop
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Post by canal on Aug 28, 2016 0:30:30 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is terrible on the CWC commentary. I'm glad he sounds psyched about the action, but it becomes such a chore to hear him yell about someone getting kicked IN THE FACE as his voice cracks like a teenager. He goes on for far too long without getting to a point, and Mauro just itching to get his shit in.
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canal
Samurai Cop
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Post by canal on Aug 28, 2016 0:41:26 GMT -5
I miss when you had a guy with no real ability but a great look just wreck guys. (Goldberg, Nikita Koloff, Ryback, etc.) I like Titus and don't think he's that bad in the ring. It's tough to get a 1 dimensional wrecking ball over anymore. There's so much whining about who deserves a push now and it skews towards wrestlers who are perceived as more skilled. If they're a heel they'll get go-away heat by beating all the audience faves, if they're a face fans will eventually turn on them. That's why everyone's a "hybrid" now or whatever the f***. Even Ryback was doing superkicks and top rope moves eventually.
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lws
ALF
No. It's the children who are wrong.
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Post by lws on Aug 28, 2016 0:41:45 GMT -5
This topic is implying to me people think Matt Hardy is anything but an embarrassment to the sport at this point. That's surprising to me. I know people liked Jeff and stuff, but people actually like Matt??
Oh, and for that matter, yeah, I always thought Jeff was terrible. Did I mention that already in this threat? Eh, it bears repeating. I liked Matt when he was Version 1, and I guess during the initial days as a tag team. But I always thought Jeff was a stupid drug addict trying too hard to get attention. And I'm not even particularly anti-drug most of the time, it just really bothers me with cases like him, where it was obvious from day one and everyone kept encouraging it. Plus he could never cut a promo.
Third calling Ivan Koloff awesome.
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Reflecto
Hank Scorpio
The Sorceress' Knight
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 28, 2016 0:53:54 GMT -5
Vince Russo would be hailed as a genius if he had never left WWE. The combination of his overactive, hyper imagination and the editing and storytelling abilities of Vince McMahon is the best booking combination in the history of the business. Related to this sacrilegious wrestling opinion: Vince Russo gets a bad rap for WCW. WCW was dead long before Russo got there (AT LEAST as early as 1/4/99- if not the moment Goldberg lost the first time...and that's even before considering the result of the Nash/Hall lawsuit where WWF got first refusal to buy WCW if they went up for sale), and NO booker you could think of- Heyman, Cornette, Sapolsky, Quackenbush, Ryan Ward, Triple H, Vince McMahon in his absolute prime- would have been able to salvage WCW in 2000.) Other ones to join it..." -The "Piggie James" angle was NOT inherently as bad as people claim. The Trish/Molly storyline or Lawler's comments on Vickie Guerrero were far worse than that (since at least Mickie James was the babyface being bullied by two bitchy heels, and not a heel being insulted by someone who's a face and someone you're supposed to inherently agree with.)
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Post by ShaolinHandLock on Aug 28, 2016 3:53:16 GMT -5
Okay, before I post my opinions, I don't want anything I say to turn into a gigantic pointless argument. Every time I posted my 'contrary' opinions on wrestling on the other forum I used to post on, it would end up turning into a never-ending pointless argument, and I don't want that happening here.
Anyway, some of my opinions...
Deathmatch wrestling is a genre of pro-wrestling, no different to any other genre of pro-wrestling, and I'll never understand why some people say "it's not wrestling". Trained wrestlers doing wrestling moves in a wrestling ring during a wrestling match = wrestling, regardless of what gimmicks or weapons are involved.
I like deathmatch wrestling. Actually, I like all forms/genres of pro-wrestling.
Storylines are the least important element of pro-wrestling to me. I enjoy pro-wrestling for the matches, the gimmicks, the characters, the silliness, pretty much everything except the storylines, which I can honestly take or leave.
I like The Great Khali...actually, there are countless wrestlers who people online say are 'bad' wrestlers who I like.
I disagree with pretty much everything that Jim Cornette says about pro-wrestling. I have zero problem with his work as a manager, but I've never agreed with his opinions.
I can (and do) enjoy the work of pro-wrestlers who turn out to be terrible human beings. Chris Benoit is the ultimate example...I was a fan of his before the incident and I still am a fan of Chris Benoit the wrestler, but not the person. I can seperate the wrestling character from the person portraying said character, this doesn't mean that the terrible actions of the person portraying the character are forgotten or forgiven, but there is still a separation there.
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