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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Aug 28, 2016 3:55:05 GMT -5
While the internet at the time was gushing over him, I could never buy into Bradshaw: Main Eventer and World Champion. The internet at the time absolutely hated the guy, did not buy into him, and wanted him to be fired. (Granted, maybe we just frequented different parts of the internet) They absolutely hated the fact that, from their perspective, that Eddie's reign was ruined by him. They felt like he was being pushed at the expense of guys like John Cena, Booker T, etc. They thought he was a boring, generic hoss in the ring. All the love he gets is in hindsight. At the time, he got almost nothing but mockery and hatred.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Aug 28, 2016 6:22:47 GMT -5
While the internet at the time was gushing over him, I could never buy into Bradshaw: Main Eventer and World Champion. The internet at the time absolutely hated the guy, did not buy into him, and wanted him to be fired. (Granted, maybe we just frequented different parts of the internet) They absolutely hated the fact that, from their perspective, that Eddie's reign was ruined by him. They felt like he was being pushed at the expense of guys like John Cena, Booker T, etc. They thought he was a boring, generic hoss in the ring. All the love he gets is in hindsight. At the time, he got almost nothing but mockery and hatred. We may very well have, then, because while there was initial criticism of pushing perennial mid-carder Bradshaw into the main event overnight, within a few months, there was largely praise for what a great heel champion he was. I tried to hold out as long as I could, but when it became obvious he was a long-term champion, I just stopped watching Smackdown altogether until he was out of the main event scene.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Aug 28, 2016 6:49:16 GMT -5
Adam Cole doesn't have star written all over him. Delirious and Gedo are both terrible bookers. The WWE is booked better than ROH and NJPW.
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Post by Hanzo on Aug 28, 2016 7:11:57 GMT -5
Zack Ryder should have won the WWE Title at Wrestlemania 28.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 28, 2016 7:18:33 GMT -5
Adam Cole doesn't have star written all over him. Delirious and Gedo are both terrible bookers. The WWE is booked better than ROH and NJPW. I agree that WWE's booking isn't as nightmarish as some fans think (still don't like how they're using Reigns) but I'm pretty high on Adam Cole. I think he has enough charisma to make up for his average look. I don't mind Cena's big move heavy matches. His psychology is far better than say, Davey Richards when it comes to that style, and he sells a lot better. Bret Hart had a buttload of charisma. It just wasn't the kind many wrestling fans were accustomed to.
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Post by Gus Richlen Was Wrong on Aug 28, 2016 7:42:28 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is one of the most improved on the roster in the last two years, and if he hadn't failed Wellness I would have been happy to see him remain at the top.
Jim Johnston and CFO$ are overrated when it comes to entrance themes.
WM32 was the best WM since 24. Conversely, 31 was the worst of all time, with the wrong people winning every single match.
The first Undertaker vs. HBK match at WM25 was terrible.
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Post by Alexander The So-so on Aug 28, 2016 7:47:07 GMT -5
I thought the "Vince vs. God" angle was hilarious, and I loved every crazy, silly second of it.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 28, 2016 11:12:02 GMT -5
The internet at the time absolutely hated the guy, did not buy into him, and wanted him to be fired. (Granted, maybe we just frequented different parts of the internet) They absolutely hated the fact that, from their perspective, that Eddie's reign was ruined by him. They felt like he was being pushed at the expense of guys like John Cena, Booker T, etc. They thought he was a boring, generic hoss in the ring. All the love he gets is in hindsight. At the time, he got almost nothing but mockery and hatred. We may very well have, then, because while there was initial criticism of pushing perennial mid-carder Bradshaw into the main event overnight, within a few months, there was largely praise for what a great heel champion he was. I tried to hold out as long as I could, but when it became obvious he was a long-term champion, I just stopped watching Smackdown altogether until he was out of the main event scene. Truthfully, people's fond memories of JBL start from No Mercy 2004-onward when they went outright blatant full-Republican with the character at one of the most politically charged times in America's history. Prior to that, from the change of the character in April through that early part of October 2004, nobody liked it and no fond memories of that character/reign occur from that time, which is just about half of the reign. Once they went overtly political, it clicked, which may be the only time in wrestling that's ever happened, but I liken it to when you multiply a negative number by a negative number and somehow wind up with a positive number.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 28, 2016 11:13:40 GMT -5
Bret Hart had a buttload of charisma. It just wasn't the kind many wrestling fans were accustomed to. I think it's moreso a vocal minority who post on wrestling forums don't know what "charisma" actually literally means. Bret was ridiculously charismatic, you don't get to the level he gets to in wrestling without having that much charisma.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Aug 28, 2016 11:25:44 GMT -5
Anyway, some of my opinions... Deathmatch wrestling is a genre of pro-wrestling, no different to any other genre of pro-wrestling, and I'll never understand why some people say "it's not wrestling". Trained wrestlers doing wrestling moves in a wrestling ring during a wrestling match = wrestling, regardless of what gimmicks or weapons are involved. I like deathmatch wrestling. Actually, I like all forms/genres of pro-wrestling. Totally agree with this. I hate when people say that guys who do deathmatches aren't real wrestlers. Same here. Really doesn't bother me what someone is like outside the ring as long as they are entertaining in the ring.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 28, 2016 11:39:57 GMT -5
Jay Briscoe should not be a major player in ROH. He's a piece of shit and his matches are dreadful.
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Aug 28, 2016 11:44:00 GMT -5
Alright, I guess I gotta be the one. Broken Matt Hardy sucks. I haven't seen it, so I can't definitively say, but literally everything I have heard about it makes it sound completely stupid. I've seen bits and pieces of it, and it IS stupid, but in an "Ed Wood" kind of way. If I thought that was intentional, I'd love that. But what I'm pretty sure happened is that Matt and Jeff are being allowed to book themselves in storylines they probably dreamed up when they were teenagers, and it's just....awful.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 28, 2016 11:53:53 GMT -5
If you haven't seen 'The Final Deletion' at this point, you're missing out on one of the three biggest important things happening in all of wrestling right now. Whether you love it or hate it, it's something you need to actually watch all the way through at least once.
If you're reading this, you're on a wrestling messageboard and absolutely without a doubt have 17 minutes you can spare.
Again, not saying you have to love it, but you can't really speak on any wrestling in a modern context going forward without having viewed it once.
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Post by corndog on Aug 28, 2016 12:04:54 GMT -5
Roman Reigns is one of the most improved on the roster in the last two years, and if he hadn't failed Wellness I would have been happy to see him remain at the top. Jim Johnston and CFO$ are overrated when it comes to entrance themes. WM32 was the best WM since 24. Conversely, 31 was the worst of all time, with the wrong people winning every single match. The first Undertaker vs. HBK match at WM25 was terrible. I agree with two of your points, Reigns has been one of the most improved performers on the roster in the last two years as far as in ring work goes. I might even go as far as to say, he's the best of the Shield. He's more consistent than Ambrose and he's safer than Rollis. I just don't buy into his character as much as the other two. I also agree, WM 32 was really good. I thought it was one of the better Wrestlemanias, maybe even top 5.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 28, 2016 12:11:58 GMT -5
At times while watching pwg DVDs I've fallen asleep. I want promos or angles.
I hated the ricochet vs ospreay match.
Funny don't equals money.
Mauro Ranallo is better than prime JR.
Bruised Brody was a bully and a piece of shit.
New Jack had every right to beat up Brian Knobbs for all the shit he has done over the years.
I like the wrestlers court where there wasn't bullying. JBL f***ed everything up. I'm glad bullying stopped and hazing I just miss the good ribbings and pranks, like Owen phone pranks and Teddy Long pretending he was sleeping so that he wouldn't pitch in with traveling costs.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 28, 2016 12:16:58 GMT -5
If you haven't seen 'The Final Deletion' at this point, you're missing out on one of the three biggest important things happening in all of wrestling right now. Whether you love it or hate it, it's something you need to actually watch all the way through at least once. If you're reading this, you're on a wrestling messageboard and absolutely without a doubt have 17 minutes you can spare. Again, not saying you have to love it, but you can't really speak on any wrestling in a modern context going forward without having viewed it once. Final Deletion is easily one of my favorite matches this year. I don't enjoy it for the same reasons I do Lethal vs.Dar, Sasha vs Charlotte or Styles vs. Cena. It's "The Room" of hardcore matches.
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Post by Reflecto on Aug 28, 2016 12:31:16 GMT -5
Nick Dinsmore wouldn't have gotten over without the Eugene gimmick.
Cesaro is nothing more than "Roman Reigns if Reigns had a run on the independent scene".
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 28, 2016 12:36:42 GMT -5
I haven't seen it, so I can't definitively say, but literally everything I have heard about it makes it sound completely stupid. I've seen bits and pieces of it, and it IS stupid, but in an "Ed Wood" kind of way. If I thought that was intentional, I'd love that. But what I'm pretty sure happened is that Matt and Jeff are being allowed to book themselves in storylines they probably dreamed up when they were teenagers, and it's just....awful. Yep. The Hardyz just aren't clever enough for Ed Wood style storytelling. One thought telling Edge to die in a car crash and later tease suicide would be a good idea, the other gave us Willow. If you enjoy it, fine, but don't try to paint it as something it's not.
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Aug 28, 2016 12:36:54 GMT -5
I still haven't watched it, as I'm at work and my high speed data is long gone, but I read a recap and saw some still shots.
Without having properly watched it, I'm prepared to call it the stupidest f***ing thing I've ever seen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2016 12:39:32 GMT -5
I still haven't watched it, as I'm at work and my high speed data is long gone, but I read a recap and saw some still shots. Without having properly watched it, I'm prepared to call it the stupidest f***ing thing I've ever seen. There have been moon rocks in wrestling angles.
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