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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 0:10:20 GMT -5
You don't like Rock wasting everyone's time for like 20 minutes? Rock f***ing around for 20 minutes was probably one of the better parts of the show, honestly. The Rock vs Erick Rowan is my personal Match of the Year
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 19, 2016 0:12:12 GMT -5
He's got a point though, not this card mind ya, but a good point. I cannot count the number of times I've watched a show without being in the live threads and loved them, only to see the people who dominate those threads shitting all over it. You know, maybe they didn't like it but so many seem to rush off for jokes and shots at things they miss the meat of a show and miss that the very things they complain about not happening actually happened. Yeah shows have sucked but I'll agree that the live threads have made them worse than improved then recently. Its still peoples opinions, I don't think its right to conclude that it's the threads that make people think that way. People's opinions can easily be swayed based on what they are around, what they see and what they hear. Again, maybe the show sucks, I think this one did, but I think when you spend your time doing every but watching and only hear how bad something is, your opinion is not likely to be positive. I've experienced it myself and seen it. I am not saying it makes a great show bad or bad show great but it does affect opinion.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 0:12:20 GMT -5
Rock f***ing around for 20 minutes was probably one of the better parts of the show, honestly. That f***ing Lesnar vs. Ambrose match was the dirt worst. Remember when Austin, Michaels, and Foley came out and beat down everyone in the New Day/League of Nations match after it ended? Setting the bar high for wrestlings future!
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Dec 19, 2016 0:13:25 GMT -5
Mania was worse.
Roadblock had a really good tag title match and some decent matches throughout.
Summerslam had Cena/AJ
Wrestlemania really had no standout matches and was ass long.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 0:14:58 GMT -5
Its still peoples opinions, I don't think its right to conclude that it's the threads that make people think that way. People's opinions can easily be swayed based on what they are around, what they see and what they hear. Again, maybe the show sucks, I think this one did, but I think when you spend your time doing every but watching and only hear how bad something is, your opinion is not likely to be positive. I've experienced it myself and seen it. I am not saying it makes a great show bad or bad show great but it does affect opinion. I mean if you want a personal example, I never stopped loving New Day when FAN started turning on them. There are people here who love Roman, Eva Marie, storyline directions, etc. Not everything FAN says is gospel, it could be a majority vote but it aint everyone's vote. I get where you come from though, it COULD sway some people, but I don't think it's everyone.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 19, 2016 0:15:09 GMT -5
The hell it ain't, not with that New Day v Sheamus/Cesaro match on it. Enjoyed most of the card, actually. Nothing against you guys, but it helps a lot when you're actually by yourself and you can judge things without being skewed by the masses. Yeah that's true, but as someone who's been defending RAW from hyperbolic criticism and trying to get the masses to acknowledge Smackdown bias......Tonight sucked.
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Post by ISO Mid Thigh Pull on Dec 19, 2016 0:20:28 GMT -5
Rock f***ing around for 20 minutes was probably one of the better parts of the show, honestly. I wouldn't have minded as much, but it came so late in the show, I just thought "oh shit, the main event is going to run over so bad". That's what made me hate it, otherwise, I might have laughed it off. That's the thing. I absolutely thought it sucked, but compared to some of the other stuff, it's gold.
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on Dec 19, 2016 0:20:50 GMT -5
You don't like Rock wasting everyone's time for like 20 minutes? Rock f***ing around for 20 minutes was probably one of the better parts of the show, honestly. Rock's Flamethrower>>>>>Mania's main event Seriously.
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Post by GuyOfOwnage on Dec 19, 2016 0:25:18 GMT -5
I haven't see any PPVs in the past 6? months or so, so I'm not the most qualified but if you take out the iron women match, this could have been a raw match card because very little was at steak. Did you really expect any steak left in catering with Owens present?
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 19, 2016 0:27:30 GMT -5
People's opinions can easily be swayed based on what they are around, what they see and what they hear. Again, maybe the show sucks, I think this one did, but I think when you spend your time doing every but watching and only hear how bad something is, your opinion is not likely to be positive. I've experienced it myself and seen it. I am not saying it makes a great show bad or bad show great but it does affect opinion. I mean if you want a personal example, I never stopped loving New Day when FAN started turning on them. There are people here who love Roman, Eva Marie, storyline directions, etc. Not everything FAN says is gospel, it could be a majority vote but it aint everyone's vote. I get where you come from though, it COULD sway some people, but I don't think it's everyone. Yeah, I am not saying it is everyone or a hive mind, I am just saying those threads can and do affect peoples' opinions on things. Some people can take it all in but I see many that cannot. They spend too much time trying to one up others or talking about say segment A and missing segment b. I see people asking about a segment or two they missed yet talked shit on in the threads, complaining about details missed that were covered and answered on the show, or wondering where someone is when they had a match earlier in the show. I just think when I see stuff like that, people would be better served to watch without the threads. If some people can watch a show, post and have a good idea of what happened, good on them. I know I am not one for it and I honestly don't think too many are, it is not just RAW's quality that has caused the numbers to drop. However, if that is how they have to watch a show to enjoy it, go for it.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 0:27:33 GMT -5
The hell it ain't, not with that New Day v Sheamus/Cesaro match on it. Enjoyed most of the card, actually. Nothing against you guys, but it helps a lot when you're actually by yourself and you can judge things without being skewed by the masses. Yeah that's true, but as someone who's been defending RAW from hyperbolic criticism and trying to get the masses to acknowledge Smackdown bias......Tonight sucked. Ok, as I've said this before and will continue to say it about this issue, it's not Bias. It's very simple, Smackdown does better than RAW on a way more consistent basis. They are not perfect, they screw up too, but the atmosphere and talent do a way better job as does the booking of that show with what they have and who they have, than RAW.
It's really not that hard but some people want to seem to take offense to it. If RAW gave any sort of a shit, we'd have two pretty decent weekly wrestling shows, instead, we have Smackdown, and some people think it's a Bias, and frankly, I'm sick of that too.
RAW is not a show where everything is wrong all the time either to be clear. They do some things right too, but the right they do is not consistent, they beat into the ground, or goes nowhere as well. Their talent is misused and mismanaged, and yeah, the third hour doesn't help either. But to say it's a Bias to like one show over the other for some very blunt differences in their products and presentation to me makes no sense. Let people like and hate what they like and hate man.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 0:30:17 GMT -5
I mean if you want a personal example, I never stopped loving New Day when FAN started turning on them. There are people here who love Roman, Eva Marie, storyline directions, etc. Not everything FAN says is gospel, it could be a majority vote but it aint everyone's vote. I get where you come from though, it COULD sway some people, but I don't think it's everyone. Yeah, I am not saying it is everyone or a hive mind, I am just saying those threads can and do affect peoples' opinions on things. Some people can take it all in but I see many that cannot. They spend too much time trying to one up others or talking about say segment A and missing segment b. I see people asking about a segment or two they missed yet talked shit on in the threads, complaining about details missed that were covered and answered on the show, or wondering where someone is when they had a match earlier in the show. I just think when I see stuff like that, people would be better served to watch without the threads. If some people can watch a show, post and have a good idea of what happened, good on them. I know I am not one for it and I honestly don't think too many are, it is not just RAW's quality that has caused the numbers to drop. However, if that is how they have to watch a show to enjoy it, go for it. I've been intricately watching WWE and Posting on FAN at the same time and knowing what's going on pending stuff like Cable or Streaming problems for years. Where's my title belt/participation award?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2016 0:30:47 GMT -5
Rock f***ing around for 20 minutes was probably one of the better parts of the show, honestly. Rock's Flamethrower>>>>>Mania's main event Seriously. Someone egging my house would be better than Reigns / Triple H. At least then it's just the person announcing their hatred of me personally instead of me and all others like me.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 0:33:31 GMT -5
Rock's Flamethrower>>>>>Mania's main event Seriously. Someone egging my house would be better than Reigns / Triple H. At least then it's just the person announcing their hatred of me personally instead of me and all others like me. ISO Mid Thigh Pull vs Lizuka in a "Loser gets Egged" Match for the Pizza Championship
Immediately better than Mania.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Dec 19, 2016 0:33:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I am not saying it is everyone or a hive mind, I am just saying those threads can and do affect peoples' opinions on things. Some people can take it all in but I see many that cannot. They spend too much time trying to one up others or talking about say segment A and missing segment b. I see people asking about a segment or two they missed yet talked shit on in the threads, complaining about details missed that were covered and answered on the show, or wondering where someone is when they had a match earlier in the show. I just think when I see stuff like that, people would be better served to watch without the threads. If some people can watch a show, post and have a good idea of what happened, good on them. I know I am not one for it and I honestly don't think too many are, it is not just RAW's quality that has caused the numbers to drop. However, if that is how they have to watch a show to enjoy it, go for it. I've been intricately watching WWE and Posting on FAN at the same time and knowing what's going on pending stuff like Cable or Streaming problems for years. Where's my title belt/participation award? Miz stole it and give it to Dean.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 0:35:05 GMT -5
I've been intricately watching WWE and Posting on FAN at the same time and knowing what's going on pending stuff like Cable or Streaming problems for years. Where's my title belt/participation award? Miz stole it and give it to Dean. GOD DAMN IT edgestar!!
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Post by Shai on Dec 19, 2016 0:36:26 GMT -5
Yeah that's true, but as someone who's been defending RAW from hyperbolic criticism and trying to get the masses to acknowledge Smackdown bias......Tonight sucked. It's not Bias, it's very simple, Smackdown does better than RAW on a way more consistent basis. They are not perfect, they screw up to, but the atmosphere and talent do a way better job as does the booking of that show with what they have and who they have, than RAW
It's really not that hard but some people want to seem to take offense to it. If RAW gave any sort of a shit, we'd have two pretty decent weekly wrestling shows, instead, we have Smackdown, and some people think it's a Bias, and frankly, I'm sick of that too.
RAW is not a demon of everything being wrong, they do some things right too, but the right they do is not consistent, they beat into the ground, or goes nowhere as well. Their talent is misused and mismanaged, and yeah, the third hour doesn't help either. But to say it's a Bias to like one show over the other for some very blunt differences in their products and presentation to me makes no sense. Let people like and hate what they like and hate man.
I have seen more fans...just not here but other places too turn on their favorites because of Raws booking then ever before. On the other hand SDL has helped redeem people in a lot of fans eyes. Case in point at least in my FB group Orton was getting shit on the regular. Now people are warming up to him again. On the other hand just for me personally Sasha was my favorite woman in NXT but her booking on Raw has made me want her to just go away.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 19, 2016 0:38:09 GMT -5
WrestleMania was a steaming pile. Roadblock just felt like an episode of RAW where we didn't have to sit through stupid skits.
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Post by fw91 on Dec 19, 2016 0:50:28 GMT -5
Yeah that's true, but as someone who's been defending RAW from hyperbolic criticism and trying to get the masses to acknowledge Smackdown bias......Tonight sucked. Ok, as I've said this before and will continue to say it about this issue, it's not Bias. It's very simple, Smackdown does better than RAW on a way more consistent basis. They are not perfect, they screw up too, but the atmosphere and talent do a way better job as does the booking of that show with what they have and who they have, than RAW.
It's really not that hard but some people want to seem to take offense to it. If RAW gave any sort of a shit, we'd have two pretty decent weekly wrestling shows, instead, we have Smackdown, and some people think it's a Bias, and frankly, I'm sick of that too.
RAW is not a show where everything is wrong all the time either to be clear. They do some things right too, but the right they do is not consistent, they beat into the ground, or goes nowhere as well. Their talent is misused and mismanaged, and yeah, the third hour doesn't help either. But to say it's a Bias to like one show over the other for some very blunt differences in their products and presentation to me makes no sense. Let people like and hate what they like and hate man.
Nobody takes offence to anything. I always contested that Smackdown is better that's not by point. My point is that there have been times this fall where RAW has put on better shows than Smackdown (usually the ppv's imo, not withstanding tonight vs TLC) Not usually, but some weeks. But people will find ways to shit on it to hyperbolic levels, and Smackdown gets stretched-out praise even if its lackluster. IMO last months ppv's HIAC>>>> No Mercy.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Dec 19, 2016 0:55:59 GMT -5
Ok, as I've said this before and will continue to say it about this issue, it's not Bias. It's very simple, Smackdown does better than RAW on a way more consistent basis. They are not perfect, they screw up too, but the atmosphere and talent do a way better job as does the booking of that show with what they have and who they have, than RAW.
It's really not that hard but some people want to seem to take offense to it. If RAW gave any sort of a shit, we'd have two pretty decent weekly wrestling shows, instead, we have Smackdown, and some people think it's a Bias, and frankly, I'm sick of that too.
RAW is not a show where everything is wrong all the time either to be clear. They do some things right too, but the right they do is not consistent, they beat into the ground, or goes nowhere as well. Their talent is misused and mismanaged, and yeah, the third hour doesn't help either. But to say it's a Bias to like one show over the other for some very blunt differences in their products and presentation to me makes no sense. Let people like and hate what they like and hate man.
Nobody takes offence to anything. I always contested that Smackdown is better that's not by point. My point is that there have been times this fall where RAW has put on better shows than Smackdown (usually the ppv's imo, not withstanding tonight vs TLC) Not usually, but some weeks. But people will find ways to shit on it to hyperbolic levels, and Smackdown gets stretched-out praise even if its lackluster. IMO last months ppv's HIAC>>>> No Mercy. People feel differently, it's also a fact that RAW has burned a lot of bridges, they need to start putting on way more consistent showings than they do. They've had some good shows this year, but they never keep it consistent, I think due to that if Smackdown has a bad week people give them a pass because more often than not they've rebounded.
In that sense I see where you're coming from but yeah, some weeks it's closer than others, the choice then can sometimes come down to "What show doesn't make me want to bash my head in on the regular?" and that is indeed RAW's fault right now... maybe over time it will change though, time will tell.
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