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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 2, 2017 18:28:52 GMT -5
While I think Kyle is the leading candidate, Elway and Mike's relationship isn't that great. It is much improved over how it was say 7 or 8 years ago but the is still some unease there. Whether that impacts this I don't know. Also, Vance Joseph is close to Wade and made one hell of an impression 2 years ago, to the point he would have gotten the job then had Kub not gotten the okay.
I think it will come down to one those two and while I'd prefer the offensive mind, going for Joseph and setting this defense up for years to come should Wade retire next season, would not shock me.
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Post by Reflecto on Jan 2, 2017 18:55:01 GMT -5
Looking at the six head coaching vacancies in the NFL, here are my own theories as to who could get hired in the coming weeks and months. 49ERS: Josh McDaniels (current job: New England Patriots offensive coordinator) - I'd be surprised if he left New England, considering he's the heir apparent whenever Bill Belichick hangs up his tattered hoodie, but the 49ers need to bring in a coach who is a game changer after the Jim Tomsula and Chip Kelly messes. McDaniels could take the job largely because the 49ers have the second overall pick in the NFL Draft and he'd be able to grab basically whoever he wants as a cornerstone for the franchise. Wouldn't be shocked if Josh went to the Niners. San Francisco has no chance at McDaniels: Right now, the 49ers getting McDaniels to coach them is a Catch-22 situation. McDaniels is the heir apparent in New England, but he's already failed in Denver as head coach. A second failure in San Francisco would likely end his head coaching career for good...especially since there's apparently a Houston vacancy still in play if the "Bill O'Brien gets fired by Houston if they do poorly in the playoffs" rumors are true, which would presumably mean if McDaniels goes, O'Brien takes his place back as New England's OC...and thus likely takes that place as the heir apparent for New England. As such, the only way McDaniels would be viable as new San Francisco head coach would be in the likely chance San Francisco's also willing to trade that 2 pick so McDaniels can take Garoppolo with him (or even a Godfather-like offer of "the 2, 34, and 66 pick, our 1st and 2nd rounder next year, and Colin Kaepernick for Tom Brady")...and then you have the "if they're that stupid to make one of those trades, there's no hope of me competing for this team"...and since he failed once before, the only hope of succeeding is with one of the non-complete trainwrecks available...and since he failed in Denver and Houston would have just seen a New England OC fail for them if that opening happens, that basically leaves the Chargers as the only team with a prayer at getting him. Even beyond that, San Francisco getting rid of Chip Kelly after one year has likely officially put it in a Cleveland-esque dumpster fire situation: They have no chance of succeeding if Jed York runs the team, he's the one guy who can't leave- and since it all started with him and Jim Harbaugh hating each other, if you can't get that team to the Super Bowl next season like Harbaugh did- OR WIN, like he couldn't-, you'll get fired. Considering that the team has gone past "bad place to play" and into "for the first time since big money came to pro sports, the players for this time went to a level of 'If my only choice as a pro football player is risking my future health, and I'm doing it for this asshole...well, MAYBE I don't want to BE a pro football player anymore." As such, it's likely become a Browns-like job where the only coaching hope they have is career assistants who just give up and say "I don't care that I'll be fired in a year, I don't care that Vince Lombardi could rise from the dead and even he couldn't get this team to 8-8, much less the Super Bowl...my life just won't be complete unless I'm a head coach in the NFL, and this is my ONE CHANCE to do it".
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2017 6:29:49 GMT -5
Nobody good is going to want to coach for the 49ers.
That micromanagement to have everyone be hunky dory with the owner, regardless of success, is so baffling.
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Post by corndog on Jan 3, 2017 11:10:32 GMT -5
On paper before, Jon Gruden would be the sexy pick for the Rams as a name "himself". However, with how the coaching carousel has fallen, there are other sexy choices for the Los Angeles Rams to get a coach besides going to Gruden there- if you wanted a sexy name, wouldn't, presumably, it be an equally sexy pick for the Rams to say "Okay, we're hiring BOTH Chip Kelly and Rex Ryan- giving Ryan full defense, giving Kelly full offense"? It's not Jon Gruden- but if you could get both those guys to agree to platoon like that, there's not a sexier coaching duo available, and gives the possibility for San Diego to go for the sexy choice if they end up in Los Angeles (either by Gruden, or seemingly the equally viable "the Chargers trade the 7 pick for Sean Payton" option. He has been rumored to say that the only job he would go back to coaching for is the Indianapolis Colts job, purely because he would like to coach Andrew Luck. Doesn't seem like that is an issue as it seems Pagano will be retained. Although, I am curious if Irsay will ever make an announcement this season or just hide from the media. There were many rumors that Grigson would be let go, but I would imagine if that was the case an announcement would be made. Heck, with the rumors swirling, you would think at least a public announcement would be released that no changes will be made.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 3, 2017 23:51:14 GMT -5
Early word is Vance Joseph is the favorite to land the Broncos job.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 4, 2017 17:21:33 GMT -5
SBNation Radio 1560am in Houston is saying there are rumors that Bill O'Brien is on his way out (either fired or stepping down) because of his relationship (or lack there of) with GM Rich Smith which has existed a few years now and was made worse by the offseason moves made by the front office.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 6, 2017 15:48:02 GMT -5
Colts not making a move.
What the hell do you have to do to lose your job in this league
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 7, 2017 16:01:47 GMT -5
Colts not making a move. What the hell do you have to do to lose your job in this league I was upset at first, but after thinking about it I think that I understand the motivation at this time. The Colts are sort of in the position to potentially dramatically improve next year, so unless you have something definitely proven better at the NFL level (like Harbaugh) lined up you might as well not disrupt that potential rebound. Now, why do I feel that the Colts might rebound well? Let's look at their deficiencies and see how that can be fixed: First, what moves can the Colts do? Well, I don't believe any of their draft picks are traded away, so they have that. Grigson's success at drafting is a bit suspect, but as long as he doesn't overthink things and merely addresses the most pressing needs, they should be fine. Also, they already have over $50M in cap space that can be pushed north of $61 by cutting Arthur Jones and D'Quell Jackson and have very few free agents of their own to resign (Jack Doyle is the only must-resign that is an unrestricted free agent). Offensive line playTruth be told, this has improved lately. Costonzo is not playing up to his contract, but he is solid enough. Mewhort and Kelly are both beasts. Haeg improved dramatically as the season evolved (mainly at the guard spot). Clark and Good have the physical tools to be capable at the other tackle spot, if either can fully develop the mental side of the job. Much of this lineup is young, which means upside is high, which was demonstrated by giving Luck enough time to get rid of the ball before getting sacked late in the season (most of those sacks happened early in the season). It looks as though Grigson might have finally gotten that right. The only move I would consider is trading for Joe Thomas (provided the trade is reasonable). Defensive lineThis is a bit hit and miss. Arthur Jones did not work out (he'll get cut). Kendall Langford did but got hurt this season (he'll be back). Henry Anderson should be fully healed by the start of next season and hopefully will pick up where he left off when he got hurt in his rookie season. Hassan Ridgeway might not be a star, but he looks as though he might develop into a solid enough player. David Parry should not be a starting nose tackle (he's too small), but even if they get another nose tackle (Dontari Poe?) he would be a valuable rotational player. TY McGill had his moments and can still be relatively cheap. LinebackersThis is where things get murky. Of the four free agent OLBs they have, Erik Walden is the only one I would truly entertain resigning but his price will be more than I want to pay. I really hope that the $15M franchise tag for Chandler Jones is too much for the Cardinals' cap space and that he might be on the market. If not, I would think Melvin Ingram should be high on their list even if they thought that the draft might provide someone for that spot. Regarding the inside, I am not sure that either Antonio Morrison or Andrew Jackson are the answer (though Morrison has more upside). I really could see the team move Clayton Geathers from safety to ILB to fill one of those spots full time (he already does it in some formations). All in all, the linebacker corp is what Grigson needs to focus on this offseason. Defensive backsWell, the linebacking corp is ONE of the things Grigson needs to focus on. The DB corp is another thing that needs to be addressed. Vontae Davis is extremely good, if a little injury prone. Patrick Robinson was hit or miss, and even that required him to be healthy, which he was not at all times. He may very well be cut or asked to take a pay cut. Clayton Geathers looks to be a stud, but he may likely be needed to move down to address their woes at ILB. The team might have reached when they took TJ Green in the second round, unless he actually can play CB as the team predicted. His play at safety was too inconsistent. Mike Adams is decent but is also a 36 yr old free agent. While he has value both as a player and as a mentor, I would not be shocked if he was not back. If he is not back, that might be because the team moved Darius Butler from CB to safety full time. If not, Eric Berry might be available as a free agent and that would be an upgrade. All told, the team may be a couple of additions away from being dangerous. If a Luck-led offense with an improving O-line is paired with an improved defense (hell, even just an AVERAGE defense), they could challenge any team. They might not be a top contender, but they would be a team most other teams would prefer to not face in the playoffs where one Luck-led rally could send them home for the rest of the playoffs. I think this, combined with the fact that he probably could not find better right now, is probably why Irsay sat still. That is not to say that Pagano still does not have downsides (could be stricter and opponents are usually better prepared at kickoff than the Colts), he also has upsides that do not get enough attention (his second half adjustments are usually superior to his opponents, for instance) and still has never had a losing record as a coach (so he is not Jeff Fisher by any means). He also has won playoff games, so he is not Marvin Lewis by any means either.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jan 7, 2017 21:28:11 GMT -5
O'Brien is safe in Houston
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 9, 2017 5:55:40 GMT -5
As a Packers fan, I do not understand the McCarthy hotseat talk.
At all.
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Post by domrep on Jan 9, 2017 10:02:18 GMT -5
As a Packers fan, I do not understand the McCarthy hotseat talk. At all. If they missed the playoffs, I think he would have been canned. Rodgers saved his job.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on Jan 9, 2017 10:11:43 GMT -5
This Doug Marrone guy must be a hell of an interview
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Post by "Playboy" Don Douglas on Jan 9, 2017 13:01:01 GMT -5
As a Packers fan, I do not understand the McCarthy hotseat talk. At all. If they missed the playoffs, I think he would have been canned. Rodgers saved his job. I don't see it. I have watched every game this year and even during the skid, I didn't think the coaching was the problem. Even if they had missed the playoffs, it's one season. I haven't seen one team do themselves any favors by changing coaches at the first sign of trouble.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 9, 2017 16:10:54 GMT -5
Marrone to get the JAX job according to Schefter. If they missed the playoffs, I think he would have been canned. Rodgers saved his job. I don't see it. I have watched every game this year and even during the skid, I didn't think the coaching was the problem. Even if they had missed the playoffs, it's one season. I haven't seen one team do themselves any favors by changing coaches at the first sign of trouble. I look at them like I did my Broncos under Fox, that team is too talented to not have more rings. That they only have 1 SB in 11 years, in a far easier NFC is outrageous. Just like when we ditched Fox as it became obvious he wasn't going to get us a ring, I think GB should do the same. Quit wasting Aaron Rodgers.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 10, 2017 23:58:28 GMT -5
From the NFL Thread: Bills are hiring Sean McDermott as per Vic Carrucci of The Buffalo News. This opens up the DC spot in Carolina now.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 11, 2017 0:21:43 GMT -5
From the NFL Thread: Bills are hiring Sean McDermott as per Vic Carrucci of The Buffalo News. This opens up the DC spot in Carolina now. Surprised he didn't get taken last year. Gonna miss him...
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Post by Matt on Jan 11, 2017 9:42:20 GMT -5
From the NFL Thread: This opens up the DC spot in Carolina now. Surprised he didn't get taken last year. Gonna miss him... Think he will make a good head coach? Desperate Bills fan here.
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Jan 11, 2017 10:54:56 GMT -5
Surprised he didn't get taken last year. Gonna miss him... Think he will make a good head coach? Desperate Bills fan here. Sorry, but I can't give you an answer because I have no idea on any first time head coach.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 11, 2017 12:20:55 GMT -5
Vance Josephh was at Dove Valley several hours after his official interview ended yesterday and is having a second interview today.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jan 11, 2017 12:41:47 GMT -5
Strike that last one, Vance Joseph will be offered the Denver job today according to multiple sources.
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