Sephiroth
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 8, 2017 17:24:47 GMT -5
Gonna assume Mr. Shadow had told him that the talk about wiping out all life was just myth and superstition, though it really should've been addressed in the movie. Yeah, Zorg is in it for the money and/or power and as far as I remember, nothing in the movie shows that Zorg has any idea what Mr. Shadow / the Great Evil is planning. Alternately, considering Zorg starts sweating blood when talking to it, he could just be scared shitless and hope to be spared if he goes along with it. And frankly, considering how in real life, countless multinational companies owners' reaction to being asked to take measures to stop releasing so much greenhouse gas is "but mah money!", I assure you there are plenty of people like that who have no problem assisting in the destruction of Humanity including themselves as long they have the richest corpse around. "Who cares? I'll be dead by then anyway!" |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 8, 2017 17:30:45 GMT -5
Riddler in Batman Forever
He wants to get revenge on Bruce Wayne, so he has Two Face help him steal enough money to build a corporation that sells holographic TV devices. It proves such a successful plan, he becomes rich and his company's stock outsells that of Wayne Enterprises.
He had won.
Then he went and did something stupid by trying to siphon the intelligence from Gotham City, which turned him insane and deformed. He didn't need to do any of that shit.
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Shai
Hank Scorpio
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Post by Shai on Jan 8, 2017 17:33:46 GMT -5
Riddler in Batman Forever He wants to get revenge on Bruce Wayne, so he has Two Face help him steal enough money to build a corporation that sells holographic TV devices. It proves such a successful plan, he becomes rich and his company's stock outsells that of Wayne Enterprises. He had won. Then he went and did something stupid by trying to siphon the intelligence from Gotham City, which turned him insane and deformed. He didn't need to do any of that shit. Didn't he do that because he got addicted to knowing everything? |
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 8, 2017 17:40:41 GMT -5
Riddler in Batman Forever He wants to get revenge on Bruce Wayne, so he has Two Face help him steal enough money to build a corporation that sells holographic TV devices. It proves such a successful plan, he becomes rich and his company's stock outsells that of Wayne Enterprises. He had won. Then he went and did something stupid by trying to siphon the intelligence from Gotham City, which turned him insane and deformed. He didn't need to do any of that shit. Didn't he do that because he got addicted to knowing everything? I haven't seen it in a while but they at least implied that it was addictive... also he was already insane. |
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 8, 2017 18:02:45 GMT -5
I mean, that one really makes sense to me. People have seen the amount of weird crap going on jump form nothing to really, really high in a very short mount of time, and it all correlates with the Avengers showing up. "A little while ago, most people went to bed thinking that the craziest thing in the world was a billionaire in a flying metal suit. Then aliens invade New York then were beaten back by among others, a giant green monster, a costumed hero from the '40s, and a God." It's definitely not the craziest assumption for civilians in the Marvel Universe to jump to that without the Avengers their lives would've continued on as normal. |
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Shai
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Post by Shai on Jan 8, 2017 18:06:57 GMT -5
I mean, that one really makes sense to me. People have seen the amount of weird crap going on jump form nothing to really, really high in a very short mount of time, and it all correlates with the Avengers showing up. "A little while ago, most people went to bed thinking that the craziest thing in the world was a billionaire in a flying metal suit. Then aliens invade New York then were beaten back by among others, a giant green monster, a costumed hero from the '40s, and a God." It's definitely not the craziest assumption for civilians in the Marvel Universe to jump to that without the Avengers their lives would've continued on as normal. It's the same as people saying that the existance of Batman is what draws all the crazies to Gotham. It does make some logical sense. |
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 8, 2017 18:21:30 GMT -5
Jim Phelps in the first Mission Impossible movie.
I'm highly respected, married to a much younger hot French wife, and could probably get advisory and consulting work with countless defence contractors for the rest of my life, so I'll turn on my fellow agents, including my protege, and sell out IMF en masse for nothing but quick monetary gain.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 8, 2017 18:22:16 GMT -5
"A little while ago, most people went to bed thinking that the craziest thing in the world was a billionaire in a flying metal suit. Then aliens invade New York then were beaten back by among others, a giant green monster, a costumed hero from the '40s, and a God." It's definitely not the craziest assumption for civilians in the Marvel Universe to jump to that without the Avengers their lives would've continued on as normal. It's the same as people saying that the existance of Batman is what draws all the crazies to Gotham. It does make some logical sense. It's definitely not watertight. Tony becoming Iron Man is considered the tipping-off point for all that happens afterwards, but even if that doesn't happen Cap and Bucky's paths remain pretty much unchanged up until Cap's discovery, Banner still becomes Hulk in his attempt to recreate the super soldier process, Thor still gets banished to Earth, SHIELD still experiment on the Tesseract, and Loki still meets Thanos and invades Earth. |
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Shai
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Post by Shai on Jan 8, 2017 18:24:54 GMT -5
It's the same as people saying that the existance of Batman is what draws all the crazies to Gotham. It does make some logical sense. It's definitely not watertight. Tony becoming Iron Man is considered the tipping-off point for all that happens afterwards, but even if that doesn't happen Cap and Bucky's paths remain pretty much unchanged up until Cap's discovery, Banner still becomes Hulk in his attempt to recreate the super soldier process, Thor still gets banished to Earth, SHIELD still experiment on the Tesseract, and Loki still meets Thanos and invades Earth. No if anything the lynchpin is Cap. |
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Capt Lunatic
Unicron
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Post by Capt Lunatic on Jan 8, 2017 19:02:23 GMT -5
100% agree with Civil War.
"My wife, child and father died. I want to make sure no one is ever saved again." - Zemo
"You know what...he's kind of right." - half the Avengers.
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Post by BorneAgain on Jan 8, 2017 19:11:56 GMT -5
Nero in ST09. Because the film includes none of the background material on the character talked about in the novelization or comics, the guy comes across like a half crazed idiot who's wasting his time going after Spock when he's in the past and fully capable of warning Romulus and others about the supernova.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 8, 2017 19:32:48 GMT -5
Nero in ST09. Because the film includes none of the background material on the character talked about in the novelization or comics, the guy comes across like a half crazed idiot who's wasting his time going after Spock when he's in the past and fully capable of warning Romulus and others about the supernova. Never mind even warning Romulus, he's got the ability to take direct action. Based strictly on the events of the movie, he doesn't even do the thing that anybody with an ounce of common sense would do - create a black hole inside the star that destroys Romulus in the first place. After that he'd be free to carry on with any vendetta that takes his fancy. |
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Jan 8, 2017 20:15:39 GMT -5
Nero in ST09. Because the film includes none of the background material on the character talked about in the novelization or comics, the guy comes across like a half crazed idiot who's wasting his time going after Spock when he's in the past and fully capable of warning Romulus and others about the supernova. Strange thing is Pike told Nero it could be prevented and Romulus could be saved but Nero's response: IT HAS HAPPENED!!!! |
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jan 8, 2017 20:19:15 GMT -5
Didn't he do that because he got addicted to knowing everything? I haven't seen it in a while but they at least implied that it was addictive... also he was already insane. Batman villains in general are insane. Do their plans really need to be fully logical? |
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Post by RI Richmark on Jan 8, 2017 20:44:56 GMT -5
Riddler in Batman Forever He wants to get revenge on Bruce Wayne, so he has Two Face help him steal enough money to build a corporation that sells holographic TV devices. It proves such a successful plan, he becomes rich and his company's stock outsells that of Wayne Enterprises. He had won. Then he went and did something stupid by trying to siphon the intelligence from Gotham City, which turned him insane and deformed. He didn't need to do any of that shit. Then there's Batman and Robin. Mr. Freeze: "I'll cover the world in ice!" Poison Ivy: "And I want to cover the world in plants! Want to team up?" Mr. Freeze: "Sure, why not?" |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Jan 8, 2017 21:19:09 GMT -5
Lex Goofthor in Batman vs. Superman has to be the patron saint. I still have no idea why the f*** he was doing anything. any time it seemed like his motives were getting explained they would change to be something else.
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Post by paulbearer on Jan 8, 2017 21:21:09 GMT -5
What does Max Schreck do with the electricity he drains from GC , sell it to another city or country ? Who the hell pays Beavis/Butt-heads rent , something tells me they're not rich due to Burger World  |
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Post by Stu on Jan 8, 2017 21:24:42 GMT -5
Kind of a stretch, but the various people in Captain America: Civil War blaming the Avengers for the death of their loved ones. The footage literally shows them fighting legions of robots and aliens bent on wiping out all life, while the avengers themselves desperately try to save people. But who do we blame? THE AVENGERS! Maybe if you weren't hanging out on the street taking selfies, #Apocalypse, you wouldn't be hit by falling debris! Worse yet, half of them go along with it. Mandarin killed a bunch of people because Tony left him on a roof one day Well, shit. When you put it that way ..... |
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 8, 2017 21:44:03 GMT -5
But all anyone knows about Bucky is that he's wanted for murder and has killed a lot of people, sometimes in the middle of broad daylight. If anyone knew that Cap was chill with him and wanted him to escape without so much as a trial to prove that Bucky wasn't responsible for what he did when he was under the influence of the magic words, that'd give even more ammo to wanting the Avengers monitored. Although I will say that Cap ws an absolute weasel for not telling Tony about Bucky's role in their death. Okay I could see if the context of Bucky being an assasin isn't public knowledge that being the case. And yeah the only time I questioned being Team Cap was him not telling Tony about his parents right away. That was a supremely shitty move. Even then, Cap basically is making the decision on what to do with Bucky completely unilaterally when, as Civil War proved, anyone with the magic words could get Bucky to run off and assassinate any world leader he chose. And given how pervasive Hydra is, they might be better off if Bucky was in custody and actually trying to get help, or working with Bucky to try to work around Hydra, Cap is basically "Nope, this unstable brainwashed assassin should roam free because he was my friend 80 years ago." Nevermind all the families of the people he killed that could be given closure after all those years, all the information that could be gotten to counteract Hydra, and so on, Cap appoints himself to be judge on the Hydra assassin. I don't know, I was on Tony's side in thinking that demigods shouldn't have just carte blanch to do whatever they wanted however they saw fit. |
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Push R Truth
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Post by Push R Truth on Jan 8, 2017 22:04:33 GMT -5
Said it before on one of the SW threads, but Palpatine ruined his own plans. He said he wants the Sith to rule the galaxy, but the Sith became rulers of the galaxy as soon as he was elected chancellor. He won. Everything he did after that was completely pointless and caused unnecessary problems for himself. All the stuff about wiping out the Jedi and creating an Empire was stupid shit that he didn't need to do. That goes hand in hand with the other thing that bothered me: He 100% controlled two massive military entities, and rather than combine them he voluntarily terminated a massive portion of his potential military power. What would have really helped control the galaxy with fear? A couple billion extra droids with supporting space fleets. It drives me crazy when I think about it. Even if you don't combine them, you at least keep something like the CIS military in your back pocket for a rainy day right? If nothing else it would have kept of lot of that old equipment out of the hands of rebels. |
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