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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jan 13, 2017 19:59:19 GMT -5
Magneto in the X-Men cinematic universe. Not that it doesn't make sense but it doesn't make sense why he'd hold unto his motivations. Homey should know by X-Men 3 that it just won't work. At the core of his motivation is the fear that what happened in the Holocaust will happen again to mutants. Between the very real prejudices mutants encounter and the fact that his own aggressive actions create a self-fulfilling prophecy, it's not that hard to understand why he can't break the "they're out to get us, so it's kill or be killed" mentality.
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Post by Sephiroth on Jan 14, 2017 0:38:58 GMT -5
The Martians in Mars Attacks. At least in War of the Worlds it is pretty well explained that the reason the aliens are attacking earth is because they want its natural resources. But in Mars Attacks it is never really explained why they are doing it.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Jan 14, 2017 2:10:36 GMT -5
The Martians in Mars Attacks. At least in War of the Worlds it is pretty well explained that the reason the aliens are attacking earth is because they want its natural resources. But in Mars Attacks it is never really explained why they are doing it. They're dicks, that's all.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 14, 2017 2:33:19 GMT -5
The Martians in Mars Attacks. At least in War of the Worlds it is pretty well explained that the reason the aliens are attacking earth is because they want its natural resources. But in Mars Attacks it is never really explained why they are doing it. They're dicks, that's all. Yeah, sometimes people just want to be dicks.
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Post by Mackenzie Gorn on Jan 14, 2017 2:40:48 GMT -5
They're dicks, that's all. Yeah, sometimes people just want to be dicks. Stop headbutting me Mr. Simpson.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 14, 2017 2:49:47 GMT -5
Yeah, sometimes people just want to be dicks. Stop headbutting me Mr. Simpson.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2017 6:17:14 GMT -5
Simon Gruber's plan in Die Hard with a Vengeance would have worked had he not wasted time messing with John McClane.
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Post by revolver86 on Jan 14, 2017 7:19:36 GMT -5
Okay I could see if the context of Bucky being an assasin isn't public knowledge that being the case. And yeah the only time I questioned being Team Cap was him not telling Tony about his parents right away. That was a supremely shitty move. Even then, Cap basically is making the decision on what to do with Bucky completely unilaterally when, as Civil War proved, anyone with the magic words could get Bucky to run off and assassinate any world leader he chose. And given how pervasive Hydra is, they might be better off if Bucky was in custody and actually trying to get help, or working with Bucky to try to work around Hydra, Cap is basically "Nope, this unstable brainwashed assassin should roam free because he was my friend 80 years ago." Nevermind all the families of the people he killed that could be given closure after all those years, all the information that could be gotten to counteract Hydra, and so on, Cap appoints himself to be judge on the Hydra assassin. I don't know, I was on Tony's side in thinking that demigods shouldn't have just carte blanch to do whatever they wanted however they saw fit. So much this. I just saw Civil War a few weeks back and frigging hated Cap, in his own movie. This story was like a reverse of the comic, where they made me hate Tony.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2017 7:41:56 GMT -5
Mr Freeze's plan in Batman and Robin.
There was no need to steal diamonds. Had he simply called Bruce Wayne and informed him of his problem, Bruce probably would have helped him, with his condition and also his research on Nora Fries' illness.
Bruce was consistently depicted as being generous and civic minded in the Burton movies. He offered Alex Knox a grant after just a casual request, he hosted a charity benefit at Wayne Manor, he was ready to oppose Max Shreck's power plant and lobbied the mayor to do it, he was willing to meet Edward Nygma about his holodevice until Edward got too pushy, and paid for a giant telescope to inspire the children of Gotham through astronomy.
Did Mr Freeze really think Bruce would have said "sorry, you and your wife can shove it"?
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 14, 2017 10:06:35 GMT -5
We're REALLY stretching when it comes to the Civil War examples. The original story is actually even more convoluted, and given what the writers were working with I honestly feel the film is a massive improvement over the original story. The whole thing with Steve not telling Tony about what happened with Bucky, I didn't have an issue with that because I can easily see him making a decision like that to protect his friend. When you're writing for a usually upstanding and noble character like Cap and you need him to make a poor choice, that's one of the better examples in which to do it. It wasn't enough to betray his essence, to me it just shows he's only a human being at the end of the day.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jan 14, 2017 11:21:38 GMT -5
Kruge in Star Trek III
He destroys the Starship Grissom, killing all but two of its crew, then murders a Federation civilian in cold blood. He then attacks another Federation starship and threatens that crew too. All of this could in theory have led to war with the Federation, and for what? Capturing the Genesis Device? What a stupid plan. If both sides had Genesis, it would have meant mutually assured destruction anyway, so there would be no gain for the Klingon Empire.
If that wasn't bad enough, that stupid Klingon ambassador objects to the fact Kruge was killed and Kirk captured his ship. It takes Sarek to point out that he's completely ignoring the crimes Kruge committed in the first instance.
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Post by Red Impact on Jan 14, 2017 12:59:34 GMT -5
We're REALLY stretching when it comes to the Civil War examples. The original story is actually even more convoluted, and given what the writers were working with I honestly feel the film is a massive improvement over the original story. The whole thing with Steve not telling Tony about what happened with Bucky, I didn't have an issue with that because I can easily see him making a decision like that to protect his friend. When you're writing for a usually upstanding and noble character like Cap and you need him to make a poor choice, that's one of the better examples in which to do it. It wasn't enough to betray his essence, to me it just shows he's only a human being at the end of the day. The comic book had a better set up, but was executed much worse, yes. That doesn't make Cap any more right on the issue in the movie. Samuel L. Jackson in Unbreakable. I haven't seen the movie in awhile, and maybe I missed something, but his motives seemed dumb. I think this is another guy who you have to lump into the "he's crazy so his motives might not really make sense" category. Yeah, he was just insane. You can't take try to find any logic in his thought process.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jan 14, 2017 13:01:29 GMT -5
We're REALLY stretching when it comes to the Civil War examples. The original story is actually even more convoluted, and given what the writers were working with I honestly feel the film is a massive improvement over the original story. The whole thing with Steve not telling Tony about what happened with Bucky, I didn't have an issue with that because I can easily see him making a decision like that to protect his friend. When you're writing for a usually upstanding and noble character like Cap and you need him to make a poor choice, that's one of the better examples in which to do it. It wasn't enough to betray his essence, to me it just shows he's only a human being at the end of the day. The comic book had a better set up, but was executed much worse, yes. That doesn't make Cap any more right on the whole issue in the movie. I never said he was "right" on the issue, he was clearly in the wrong. It just wasn't enough to ruin the film for me or kill his character.
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