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Post by Crimson on Jan 8, 2017 17:24:20 GMT -5
I actually wouldn't be surprised at a Batman v. Superman sweep since Superhero movie fatigue has been so topical lately.
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Post by Shai on Jan 8, 2017 17:24:27 GMT -5
I haven't seen a lot of the films nominated by going from the opinions I've seen, they've actually selected the right ones. Which makes a change from their usual "what's big in pop culture, let's be edgy and nominate that for the sake of it" MO in recent years. I have no problems with the movies they picked at all. Even though I liked Ninja Turtles and Suicide Squad I could see why they're on there. It's the actors I have issue with. There is such a thing as a good actor playing a good role in a bad movie.
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Post by pegasuswarrior on Jan 8, 2017 19:28:36 GMT -5
Needs more Passengers.
But as per usual no super beefs with anything on the short list, as everything listed that I've seen is a boiing vat of straight up cinematic p***.
Maybe a little surprised by an Office Christmas Party mention, but it won't get nominated, I don't suppose.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 8, 2017 19:34:11 GMT -5
I actually wouldn't be surprised at a Batman v. Superman sweep since Superhero movie fatigue has been so topical lately. What Fatigue? Marvel still make multiple hundred million dollars every single time they release a movie. If Batman V. Superman wins it's because WB/DC completely fumbled something that should have been a billion dollar movie because of their own incompetence/impatience.
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Post by Crimson on Jan 8, 2017 20:04:17 GMT -5
I actually wouldn't be surprised at a Batman v. Superman sweep since Superhero movie fatigue has been so topical lately. What Fatigue? Marvel still make multiple hundred million dollars every single time they release a movie. If Batman V. Superman wins it's because WB/DC completely fumbled something that should have been a billion dollar movie because of their own incompetence/impatience. Every year you see more and more complaints about how Super hero movies are getting overstuffed. The MCU films are still performing well, but you see the sentiment pop up more in reviews for other superhero movies.
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Post by cahuette on Jan 8, 2017 20:16:43 GMT -5
If we live in a world where Batman v superman is the worst movie of the year, I'd say we're doing ok.
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Post by BRV on Jan 8, 2017 20:40:46 GMT -5
Of the nominated pictures, I've only seen Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, Blair Witch, Independence Day: Resurgence, and Suicide Squad.
Batman v Superman was underwhelming given the characters and painfully long but I didn't think it was abhorrently bad, it was just a letdown from the expectations I had for it.
Blair Witch, attack me if you must, I felt was somewhat underrated. I thought the first half of the movie dragged on for way too long and there was not nearly enough done to make me want to like or care about the characters, but once they got into the woods, the movie really got going. I felt like the twist on the concept of time within the woods was pretty savvy. Frankly, I think the only reason this received the hate that it did is because it attached the name "Blair Witch" to it. If this were just another generic teens-lost-in-the-woods movie, it would have come and gone without much criticism.
Independence Day: Resurgence is my nominee for the worst movie of 2016. Not only is it just a bad movie, it takes a steaming pile on the legacy of the Independence Day movie. You don't care at all about any of the new characters, those who've returned from the 1996 original are now caricatures of themselves, and they somehow made a movie about the second major alien attack in 20 years implausible and unbelievable. It also feels so much longer than its 120-minute run time. Around the 45-minute mark, I was ready to check out and there was still well over an hour remaining.
Suicide Squad started off well and veered off the tracks quickly. Basically everything up until they arrive at the tower to rescue the Viola Davis character is decent but after that it collapses onto itself and becomes yet another generic, dark DC Comics blockbuster. It also didn't help that you seemingly continued to forget or not even care about the antagonist's methods or motivations.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2017 0:48:03 GMT -5
What Fatigue? Marvel still make multiple hundred million dollars every single time they release a movie. If Batman V. Superman wins it's because WB/DC completely fumbled something that should have been a billion dollar movie because of their own incompetence/impatience. Every year you see more and more complaints about how Super hero movies are getting overstuffed. The MCU films are still performing well, but you see the sentiment pop up more in reviews for other superhero movies. They complain but yet they still go see the movie
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2017 2:21:23 GMT -5
If we live in a world where Batman v superman is the worst movie of the year, I'd say we're doing ok. Pretty much. I thought Batman vs. Superman sucked, but I also thought it was much better than Man of Steel was so I don't hate it that much. Outside of Luthor.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jan 9, 2017 10:00:17 GMT -5
AS all of these are well deserved there are a bunch of terrible movies not on this list... Me Before You comes to mind.
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Post by agent817 on Jan 9, 2017 10:00:32 GMT -5
I have not gone on the Ghostbusters 2016 IMDB board lately, but I am sure that a lot of people on there are pissed that it didn't make a lot of the categories. I personally like the film, and if somebody didn't, great, but that movie was one of the most popular movies to hate on of the whole year. I actually saw Independence Day Resurgence in theaters and I felt that it was mostly there. To be honest, I mainly saw it because I read about the double feature that had the first film and wanted to see that one in theaters to make up for not seeing it in theaters back in 1996. I liked London Has Fallen, but it was kind of different to the original film as it was more like a fun time-waster that you could probably go and watch if you don't have a lot to do. It was a fun film, but not great. As for the categories that had Allegiant, I agree entirely. Octavia Spencer looked like she phoned in her performance and I will say that I had the displeasure of seeing it in theaters. I only saw it with a movie pass, so I didn't actually PAY to see it (Even though I heard that those prepaid passes still count towards payment), but I wish I used it on something else. AS all of these are well deserved there are a bunch of terrible movies not on this list... Max Steel is one of those films. I had the displeasure of seeing that in theaters, too.
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Post by Shai on Jan 9, 2017 10:34:30 GMT -5
Passengers was bad.....pissed me off as Chris Pratt is one of my favorite actors and the trailer looked really good.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 9, 2017 11:16:17 GMT -5
Every year you see more and more complaints about how Super hero movies are getting overstuffed. The MCU films are still performing well, but you see the sentiment pop up more in reviews for other superhero movies. They complain but yet they still go see the movie True, but eventually the bubble will burst on them. They're rumblings now, so there's a few years left in the market,but there are a few signs beyond that slowly growing fan sentiment. A lot, if not most of the contracts were signed before Marvel Movies were guaranteed moneymakers, so they were relatively low paying. As they make more films, people come to the end of them, they'll need to renegotiate everyone's contracts for a lot more, or have to risk getting rid of/recasting all the iconic people they have now which is always a risk. A few directors have come out and said they're frustrated by the "Marvel way" so that talent pool will diminish too. Not saying it'll happen, I hope to get a lot more out. But a few years down the line, there could be some problems ahead. People still go to see them, till they don't. In 1997/98 WCW's outlook was pretty healthy, but bubbles burst.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2017 11:25:15 GMT -5
They complain but yet they still go see the movie True, but eventually the bubble will burst on them. They're rumblings now, so there's a few years left in the market,but there are a few signs beyond that slowly growing fan sentiment. A lot, if not most of the contracts were signed before Marvel Movies were guaranteed moneymakers, so they were relatively low paying. As they make more films, people come to the end of them, they'll need to renegotiate everyone's contracts for a lot more, or have to risk getting rid of/recasting all the iconic people they have now which is always a risk. A few directors have come out and said they're frustrated by the "Marvel way" so that talent pool will diminish too. Not saying it'll happen, I hope to get a lot more out. But a few years down the line, there could be some problems ahead. People still go to see them, till they don't. In 1997/98 WCW's outlook was pretty healthy, but bubbles burst. In regards to the Stars a lot of them have their contracts way they want it. Robert Downey gets paid a shit load and on avenger films he makes sure his cast mates get it as well. The Stars are well off, this universe has not jus started and the Stars have not complained in regards to pay. Yes, the market does go down eventually but we are nowhere near that point yet. The superhero market is down for everyone else and only one that can cash in big is Deadpool. It would take 2 horrible films for people to take a downturn on Marvel. They haven't had "bad films" just disappointing ones compared to their standards. Marvel isn't like WCW sitting pretty on the throne they are taking chances with a Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant Man none of those were for sure things but they made it work. This cinematic universe has at least 3 more years of the current Stars in the fold. After that they can do whatever but for them the market has not turned yet
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jan 9, 2017 11:46:58 GMT -5
True, but eventually the bubble will burst on them. They're rumblings now, so there's a few years left in the market,but there are a few signs beyond that slowly growing fan sentiment. A lot, if not most of the contracts were signed before Marvel Movies were guaranteed moneymakers, so they were relatively low paying. As they make more films, people come to the end of them, they'll need to renegotiate everyone's contracts for a lot more, or have to risk getting rid of/recasting all the iconic people they have now which is always a risk. A few directors have come out and said they're frustrated by the "Marvel way" so that talent pool will diminish too. Not saying it'll happen, I hope to get a lot more out. But a few years down the line, there could be some problems ahead. People still go to see them, till they don't. In 1997/98 WCW's outlook was pretty healthy, but bubbles burst. In regards to the Stars a lot of them have their contracts way they want it. Robert Downey gets paid a shit load and on avenger films he makes sure his cast mates get it as well. The Stars are well off, this universe has not jus started and the Stars have not complained in regards to pay. Yes, the market does go down eventually but we are nowhere near that point yet. The superhero market is down for everyone else and only one that can cash in big is Deadpool. It would take 2 horrible films for people to take a downturn on Marvel. They haven't had "bad films" just disappointing ones compared to their standards. Marvel isn't like WCW sitting pretty on the throne they are taking chances with a Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant Man none of those were for sure things but they made it work. This cinematic universe has at least 3 more years of the current Stars in the fold. After that they can do whatever but for them the market has not turned yet As I say, I hope you're right, you probably are, just they need to be careful.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2017 11:51:47 GMT -5
In regards to the Stars a lot of them have their contracts way they want it. Robert Downey gets paid a shit load and on avenger films he makes sure his cast mates get it as well. The Stars are well off, this universe has not jus started and the Stars have not complained in regards to pay. Yes, the market does go down eventually but we are nowhere near that point yet. The superhero market is down for everyone else and only one that can cash in big is Deadpool. It would take 2 horrible films for people to take a downturn on Marvel. They haven't had "bad films" just disappointing ones compared to their standards. Marvel isn't like WCW sitting pretty on the throne they are taking chances with a Doctor Strange, Guardians of the Galaxy, Ant Man none of those were for sure things but they made it work. This cinematic universe has at least 3 more years of the current Stars in the fold. After that they can do whatever but for them the market has not turned yet As I say, I hope you're right, you probably are, just they need to be careful. Yea at the end of the day you got some of the biggest actors in the world playing these parts, so the ship is going be sailing along course. They are not doing anything without calculated risk because if that was the case they would of been giving out solo movies for everyone. There direction is fine they can not be content with the results which they have shown to not be.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Jan 9, 2017 11:56:14 GMT -5
Suicide Squad started off well and veered off the tracks quickly. Basically everything up until they arrive at the tower to rescue the Viola Davis character is decent but after that it collapses onto itself and becomes yet another generic, dark DC Comics blockbuster. It also didn't help that you seemingly continued to forget or not even care about the antagonist's methods or motivations. It also lost me about the 14th time that they did the "something bad happens then Harley makes a funny one liner" routine, and I'm someone who liked the character overall
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Jan 9, 2017 12:05:52 GMT -5
Suicide Squad started off well and veered off the tracks quickly. Basically everything up until they arrive at the tower to rescue the Viola Davis character is decent but after that it collapses onto itself and becomes yet another generic, dark DC Comics blockbuster. It also didn't help that you seemingly continued to forget or not even care about the antagonist's methods or motivations. It also lost me about the 14th time that they did the "something bad happens then Harley makes a funny one liner" routine, and I'm someone who liked the character overall Yea the frame work was there for a really good movie but it veered off the tracks. Assault on Arkham Asylum did it better
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Post by Gravedigger's Biscuits on Jan 9, 2017 12:18:36 GMT -5
I stopped staking the Razzies seriously when Bucky Larson won no awards. My real moment was when they nominated The Jonas Brothers for Worst Actors. In a concert movie. Where no acting is f***ing required. Isn't that kind of the point of the Razzies? It's a joke thing. There's been plenty of silly nominations and winners over the years. They were never going to pick some movie most people have never heard of and only made $500 at the box office as Worst Picture. It's basically just a way to look at the major movie studios and say "Guys, you're better than this."
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Post by eJm on Jan 9, 2017 16:04:26 GMT -5
My real moment was when they nominated The Jonas Brothers for Worst Actors. In a concert movie. Where no acting is f***ing required. Isn't that kind of the point of the Razzies? It's a joke thing. There's been plenty of silly nominations and winners over the years. They were never going to pick some movie most people have never heard of and only made $500 at the box office as Worst Picture. It's basically just a way to look at the major movie studios and say "Guys, you're better than this." Except it hasn't been that way for years, being full of part mean spirited part obvious shots. And no, we don't need a parody award show to say Batman vs. Superman was considered bad by people whe. a Metacritic score and literally hundreds of reviews said as much.
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