Wonder Woman and Justice League movies: "Disasters".

[Kevin Hamilton]

www.cosmicbooknews.com/content/wonder-woman-justice-league-said-be-disasters-batman-delayed

Similar to past reports about Batman vs. Superman, it's now being said both the Wonder Woman movie and the Justice League movie are suffering from problems and appear to be disasters in the making.

Regarding Wonder Woman, Sasha from the Schmoes Know podcast, which happened to have DC All Access' Tiffany Smith on, said she heard it from the same friend who heard that Batman vs. Superman was bad that Wonder Woman is a stinker as well. Sasha went on to note that she and her source are big Wonder Woman fans and were hoping for the best. The DC source/Sasha said, "I'm very disappointed in what I saw, and it seems like all the problems are the same problems. It's discombobulated, it doesn't have narrative flow. It's just very disjointed." Now for Justice League, a rumor hit the net earlier in the week that states the Ben Affleck Batman movie production is getting pushed back a few months until Summer, which may be because Ben Affleck is still writing the script. However, Batman on Film theorizes it may have something to do with problems with Justice League, in which they hear is a "mess." It's further suggested that Ben Affleck may even want to bail on the DCEU because things are so bad, which is why Ben Affleck has been seemingly back and forth about doing the Batman movie. Following the disappointment of Batman vs. Superman, Warner Bros. was said to have made changes by removing or downgrading the roles of certain producers and promoting Geoff Johns to DC Entertainment President and co-runner of the DC films with Jon Berg. I think Wonder Woman is the first movie Johns and Berg are fully involved with, so if things are still the same, it appears more changes will be necessary. The common denominator on all the movie happens to be Zack Snyder and his brain trust of producers which includes his wife Deborah Snyder, Charles Roven and Wes Coller.

Zack Snyder was also behind the lukewarm response to Man of Steel (director) and produced Suicide Squad, which got hammered by critics.

Well that doesn't sound good.

[agent817]

I might see it, but after BvS and Suicide Squad, I really don't know how good any upcoming DC movies will be. I know a lot of people who liked Suicide Squad a lot, but I mostly thought it was just average at best. However, this doesn't seem too good for this, but in the end, my opinion of the final product will be the only one that matters to me.

[Shai]

F***!!!!!!

This DCEU thing isn't gonna work out is it?

Though I wonder how certain people are gonna blame this on Marvel or say that superhero movies have "jumped the shark" and that's why this is happening.

Though this begs to ask the question.

Why can Marvel make 10 billion dollars off this and DC can't even get their franchise off the ground?

[Shai]

Jan 15, 2017 12:04:10 GMT -5 agent817 said:

I might see it, but after BvS and Suicide Squad, I really don't know how good any upcoming DC movies will be. I know a lot of people who liked Suicide Squad a lot, but I mostly thought it was just average at best. However, this doesn't seem too good for this, but in the end, my opinion of the final product will be the only one that matters to me.

I liked Suicide Squad but it was all over the place.

[sternrogers01]

I follow certain Youtube reactors online who will no doubt do their best to hit "damage control" on this news and try to spin a positive line of thinking out of it. I think DC have all the tools to suceed in this area, as they already have shows and comics superior to that of Marvel's output, they just need to translate the language of that sucess to these bigwig movie execs who are clearly out of touch with readership

[xCompackx]

This is what happens when you see someone doing something successful and saying "Hey, that looks easy! I can do that, too!". At this point, I would scrap everything after Justice League and Wonder Woman and make everything else one-offs.

[thirteen3]

Jan 15, 2017 12:06:50 GMT -5 Shai said:

F***!!!!!!

This DCEU thing isn't gonna work out is it?

Though I wonder how certain people are gonna blame this on Marvel or say that superhero movies have "jumped the shark" and that's why this is happening.

Though this begs to ask the question.

Why can Marvel make 10 billion dollars off this and DC can't even get their franchise off the ground?

TimeWarner is evidently a mismanaged shitshow, stemming form the turner days.

[Jiren]

DCEU Rebirth please

- Flashpoint
- Crisis
- Zero Hour

I don't care how they do it, just sort this shit show

[Shai]

Jan 15, 2017 12:17:45 GMT -5 xCompackx said:

This is what happens when you see someone doing something successful and saying "Hey, that looks easy! I can do that, too!". At this point, I would scrap everything after Justice League and Wonder Woman and make everything else one-offs.

Or do what people have been saying from the beginning and use the tv shows as a base for the movies.

[riseofsetian1981]

Wonder Woman actually looks good and while of course it's the trailer, it definitely looks pretty damn good. I sincerely hope this report isn't true because the DCEU cannot afford to have both Wonder Woman and Justice League either flop/underperform.

[Shai]

Jan 15, 2017 12:28:10 GMT -5 riseofsetian1981 said:

Wonder Woman actually looks good and while of course it's the trailer, it definitely looks pretty damn good. I sincerely hope this report isn't true because the DCEU cannot afford to have both Wonder Woman and Justice League either flop/underperform.

WW looks damn good from the trailers but we have come to realize that when it comes to DC trailers mean absolutely nothing.

[Jiren]

And plus the whole "Complete/extended edition" debacle hasn't helped

[riseofsetian1981]

This is a long shot of course. But is it possible that maybe, maybe quite a few critics are so gung ho about Marvel that it's sabotaging DC to degree?

While I do enjoy Marvel, I've always made the statement that Marvel has played it too safe with its films and that DC has always had the darker characters, stories, themes, and that critics shouldn't complain about the more brooding and serious nature of their films. So what exactly is going on here?

[Kevin Hamilton]

But historically DC haven't had the darker characters as a whole. The whole reason Marvel was different from DC in the first place in the Silver Age was because they were more 'realistic' at the time.

Of your core DC characters, only Batman has ever been dark. And he's only been dark at varying periods in his history. He's had at least as much time being completely sunny. But take him out of the equation and virtually none of the core characters are dark: Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman etc.. none of those characters are dark when they're at their most iconic.

Certainly none of them are darker than say Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider et al. And I understand that those are your second stringers for Marvel, but take THE Marvel character Spider-man. His whole deal is guilt.

[Shai]

Jan 15, 2017 12:33:18 GMT -5 riseofsetian1981 said:

This is a long shot of course. But is it possible that maybe, maybe quite a few critics are so gung ho about Marvel that it's sabotaging DC to degree?

While I do enjoy Marvel, I've always made the statement that Marvel has played it too safe with its films and that DC has always had the darker characters, stories, themes, and that critics shouldn't complain about the more brooding and serious nature of their films. So what exactly is going on here?

I think there's a difference between dark and suicidally depressing.

BVS was depressing and dark not only in tone but in atmosphere the whole thing just felt weighted down.

Suicide Squad was a clusterf*** because there were too many cooks in the kitchen.

As far as Marvel goes I wouldn't call them taking the easy road at all. I'd say the MCU as a whole knows how to walk the line between dark and light. Civil War is not at all a fun and happy movie though it has funny moments. It's by far the darkest MCU film to date with Zemo on a whole doing what he wanted to accomplish. The Avengers for now are no more.

There was no happy ending with the team all together.

Bucky's in cryo.

Team Cap are the world's most wanted fugitives.

Rhodey is paralyzed except for Tony's gadget.

Hulk and Thor are not only M.I.A but have no idea what's going on as far as anyone knows.

The MCU isn't all sunshine and roses.

[Alice Syndrome]

Just can it and tag more TV onto the Arrowverse.

We all knew this was gonna suck when they planned out 10 movies before the 2nd one had even come out.

Marvel didn't plan Avengers until they saw people's reactions to that cameo in Hulk.

[sternrogers01]

Jan 15, 2017 12:40:04 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

But historically DC haven't had the darker characters as a whole. The whole reason Marvel was different from DC in the first place in the Silver Age was because they were more 'realistic' at the time.

Of your core DC characters, only Batman has ever been dark. And he's only been dark at varying periods in his history. He's had at least as much time being completely sunny. But take him out of the equation and virtually none of the core characters are dark: Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman etc.. none of those characters are dark when they're at their most iconic.

Certainly none of them are darker than say Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider et al. And I understand that those are your second stringers for Marvel, but take THE Marvel character Spider-man. His whole deal is guilt.

I've found some of the more enjoyable Spider-Man stories in recent memory don't really play up the guilt thing, they're very niche though. The guilt thing annoys a lot of fans because it holds him back from developing further (as the infamous One More Day demonstrated)

[Harry The Arrow was Wrong!]

I really wouldn't take much of what Sasha says seriously. She's the main reason I stopped watching the show.

She claims Benedict Cumberbatch is one of the biggest assholes in Hollywood because her husband said so yet everyone else says he's one of the coolest guys.

Will WW and JL turn out terrible? It's absolutely possible but she isn't a reliable source.

[Shai]

Jan 15, 2017 12:40:04 GMT -5 Kevin Hamilton said:

But historically DC haven't had the darker characters as a whole. The whole reason Marvel was different from DC in the first place in the Silver Age was because they were more 'realistic' at the time.

Of your core DC characters, only Batman has ever been dark. And he's only been dark at varying periods in his history. He's had at least as much time being completely sunny. But take him out of the equation and virtually none of the core characters are dark: Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, Flash, Aquaman etc.. none of those characters are dark when they're at their most iconic.

Certainly none of them are darker than say Daredevil, Punisher, Ghost Rider et al. And I understand that those are your second stringers for Marvel, but take THE Marvel character Spider-man. His whole deal is guilt.

Batman is pretty much the only DC hero that became one due to a tragic event to my knowledge. Almost every Marvel hero are who they are due to something f***ed up happening to them.

And Marvel pretty much corners the market on antiheroes

[Kevin Hamilton]

Well Superman definitely had tragedy in his backstory of course; but for the most part early on it was simply a plot device to get him to Earth. It was only late they explored Krypton more.