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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 17, 2017 12:02:08 GMT -5
Put it in this perspective. Brandi F***ing Rhodes on her first impact show has gotten more revenge on Maria than Allie has. Same goes for Gail Kim being able to get her hands on Maria. The one person who should of been kicked her ass is still there dragging a frustrating angle. They literally disappeared for like a month of TV time and came back with renewed focus on them Which is really worth harping on, because the idea of a slow year-long build to the berated and insulted lackey finally getting comeuppance over the heel who's made their life miserable is almost a good idea, and Allie has been getting sympathy just fine in her role because she plays it well. But the thing is, the big moment means a lot more when the heel has been an unchallenged piece of shit the whole time, and where TNA has f***ed it up so hard is that they have consistently fumbled the build of actually having Maria in that role. She lost the title to someone else, got removed from her place as head of the Knockouts Divison, got beat by Brandi... Allie is already almost six months removed from when Maria forced her to lay down so she could win the title, and that title has since been vacated and changed hands into a feud totally removed from what's going on with them. All of the oomph the eventual turn should have is lost by the fact that Maria isn't even queen bitch anymore, she's just leading a nebulously defined group with Sienna and Laurel Van Ness that are currently pretty much doing nothing but being shits to Allie. This has been so squandered and TNA'd. It still pisses me off they had to put over a f****ing HOF'er in Gail Kim to beat Maria for a title she doesn't need she's a HOF. Don't get me started on Brandi Rhodes because they got on their knees for Cody and his list. TNA squandered a simple storyline because they want Maria to continue getting heat off Allie with no pay off. Sutter could of been brought in from jump as Maria's trainer or something and he slowly falls in love with Allie helping her become a wrestler. Maria fires them both in a bitch move after she losses the title. Allie comes back trained and takes out the whole crew in matches until it's only Maria left. What's so hard about that? The payoff is going to be shit and TNA will think well more Maria will fix it
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 17, 2017 12:14:57 GMT -5
Which is really worth harping on, because the idea of a slow year-long build to the berated and insulted lackey finally getting comeuppance over the heel who's made their life miserable is almost a good idea, and Allie has been getting sympathy just fine in her role because she plays it well. But the thing is, the big moment means a lot more when the heel has been an unchallenged piece of shit the whole time, and where TNA has f***ed it up so hard is that they have consistently fumbled the build of actually having Maria in that role. She lost the title to someone else, got removed from her place as head of the Knockouts Divison, got beat by Brandi... Allie is already almost six months removed from when Maria forced her to lay down so she could win the title, and that title has since been vacated and changed hands into a feud totally removed from what's going on with them. All of the oomph the eventual turn should have is lost by the fact that Maria isn't even queen bitch anymore, she's just leading a nebulously defined group with Sienna and Laurel Van Ness that are currently pretty much doing nothing but being shits to Allie. This has been so squandered and TNA'd. It still pisses me off they had to put over a f****ing HOF'er in Gail Kim to beat Maria for a title she doesn't need she's a HOF. Don't get me started on Brandi Rhodes because they got on their knees for Cody and his list. TNA squandered a simple storyline because they want Maria to continue getting heat off Allie with no pay off. Sutter could of been brought in from jump as Maria's trainer or something and he slowly falls in love with Allie helping her become a wrestler. Maria fires them both in a bitch move after she losses the title. Allie comes back trained and takes out the whole crew in matches until it's only Maria left. What's so hard about that? The payoff is going to be shit and TNA will think well more Maria will fix it Somehow TNA, despite being written months at a time and whose final voice in the creative process isn't a man with the attention span of a five year-old, is worse at long term sotrytelling than WWE is. It boggles the mind.
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 17, 2017 12:17:58 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that Allie is supposed to be a Maria employee. Probably the same for Laurel and Sienna. She lost control of the booking of the knockouts division, in that she can't order Gail, Jade etc around anymore, but she can order two people she employs to wrestle eachother, I guess. With the Braxton thing, it's supposed to be petty highschool level drama bullshit: Laurel saw that Braxton and Allie liked eachother, and decided she deserved him because she's hot and Allie is average (Try to ignore Allie not being average looking for a second), and Maria was in a position, and actually petty enough, to blackmail Braxton into dating and marrying Laurel just to hurt Allie. I knew plenty of bitches who'd probably do that if they could. The problem is that even then, it just makes Braxton "Kalisto" Sutter the dumbest human being in wrestling- even dumber than Sting. Before this, Sutter had no particular feud with Mike "Apollo Crews" Bennett. He liked Allie, Allie liked him. If that's all the case, and Allie is an employee of Maria's separate from this, yes, Maria can fire Allie if she didn't get what she wanted, but Maria had absolutely no power over Sutter in the least. She didn't control the male wrestlers- not even close. Maria had no power over Sutter except for "If you don't do what I'll say, I'll fire Allie"... ...and then you realize that this is a wrestling situation where Sutter and Allie win by doing nothing at all. All Sutter has to say is "Fine. I won't marry Laurel.", Maria gets Allie fired...and suddenly, Maria has no power over Allie and there's nothing stopping them from being together. Allie's fired, she can't be in TNA? Great. Sutter says "I'm making you my manager", and she's back. Not only does that logic make no sense since they win by doing nothing, but technically it makes Braxton look bad (since he presumably knows he could do nothing and get the girl he loves...or he can play into it, get to go a few rounds with someone who looks like Laurel, THEN get the woman he loves and act like it wasn't his choice.)
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 17, 2017 13:37:57 GMT -5
It still pisses me off they had to put over a f****ing HOF'er in Gail Kim to beat Maria for a title she doesn't need she's a HOF. Don't get me started on Brandi Rhodes because they got on their knees for Cody and his list. TNA squandered a simple storyline because they want Maria to continue getting heat off Allie with no pay off. Sutter could of been brought in from jump as Maria's trainer or something and he slowly falls in love with Allie helping her become a wrestler. Maria fires them both in a bitch move after she losses the title. Allie comes back trained and takes out the whole crew in matches until it's only Maria left. What's so hard about that? The payoff is going to be shit and TNA will think well more Maria will fix it Somehow TNA, despite being written months at a time and whose final voice in the creative process isn't a man with the attention span of a five year-old, is worse at long term sotrytelling than WWE is. It boggles the mind. They can't book shit to save their lives. Simple stories they are f***ing up. They are lucky they have talented people to cover up their messes but this Mike and Maria shit has to go
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 17, 2017 13:39:25 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that Allie is supposed to be a Maria employee. Probably the same for Laurel and Sienna. She lost control of the booking of the knockouts division, in that she can't order Gail, Jade etc around anymore, but she can order two people she employs to wrestle eachother, I guess. With the Braxton thing, it's supposed to be petty highschool level drama bullshit: Laurel saw that Braxton and Allie liked eachother, and decided she deserved him because she's hot and Allie is average (Try to ignore Allie not being average looking for a second), and Maria was in a position, and actually petty enough, to blackmail Braxton into dating and marrying Laurel just to hurt Allie. I knew plenty of bitches who'd probably do that if they could. The problem is that even then, it just makes Braxton "Kalisto" Sutter the dumbest human being in wrestling- even dumber than Sting. Before this, Sutter had no particular feud with Mike "Apollo Crews" Bennett. He liked Allie, Allie liked him. If that's all the case, and Allie is an employee of Maria's separate from this, yes, Maria can fire Allie if she didn't get what she wanted, but Maria had absolutely no power over Sutter in the least. She didn't control the male wrestlers- not even close. Maria had no power over Sutter except for "If you don't do what I'll say, I'll fire Allie"... ...and then you realize that this is a wrestling situation where Sutter and Allie win by doing nothing at all. All Sutter has to say is "Fine. I won't marry Laurel.", Maria gets Allie fired...and suddenly, Maria has no power over Allie and there's nothing stopping them from being together. Allie's fired, she can't be in TNA? Great. Sutter says "I'm making you my manager", and she's back. Not only does that logic make no sense since they win by doing nothing, but technically it makes Braxton look bad (since he presumably knows he could do nothing and get the girl he loves...or he can play into it, get to go a few rounds with someone who looks like Laurel, THEN get the woman he loves and act like it wasn't his choice.) Stop making sense. Wrestling logic dictates the baby faces are stupid even if they have to get married for reasons.
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Post by cabbageboy on Feb 17, 2017 15:01:51 GMT -5
Precisely, which is why I am just bewildered that any of this is still going. I assumed the Gail/Maria match was the blow off to the entire storyline. It's like TNA blew it off but didn't realize it. Once Maria lost all power, then that's it you morons in TNA! That's her comeuppance. The problem to begin with is that they had Maria involved with so many storylines all over the show that Gail needed the heat on her, Allie needs heat on her, probably Jade as well. Once that all went down I was baffled when a few weeks later here's Maria still ordering Allie around, still has Laurel and Sienna, etc. And while Allie is supposed to be a non wrestling associate I can't possibly believe Laurel and Sienna are not under contract to TNA. Since this is almost the entire division anyway then it's basically like Maria is still in charge.
What I can't remotely grasp is why Braxton Sutter is going along with any of this. I mean he kind of likes Allie but he's willing to marry some random chick he went on ONE crappy date with just to save Allie's job (a job in which she is routinely humiliated, no less). Who would ever be this stupid? This is seriously the worst storyline going on in wrestling today but it's so utterly baffling that I can't help but try and decipher the deeper meaning in it every week when it's on Impact.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Feb 17, 2017 15:35:59 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain that Allie is supposed to be a Maria employee. Probably the same for Laurel and Sienna. She lost control of the booking of the knockouts division, in that she can't order Gail, Jade etc around anymore, but she can order two people she employs to wrestle eachother, I guess. With the Braxton thing, it's supposed to be petty highschool level drama bullshit: Laurel saw that Braxton and Allie liked eachother, and decided she deserved him because she's hot and Allie is average (Try to ignore Allie not being average looking for a second), and Maria was in a position, and actually petty enough, to blackmail Braxton into dating and marrying Laurel just to hurt Allie. I knew plenty of bitches who'd probably do that if they could. The problem is that even then, it just makes Braxton "Kalisto" Sutter the dumbest human being in wrestling- even dumber than Sting. Before this, Sutter had no particular feud with Mike "Apollo Crews" Bennett. He liked Allie, Allie liked him. If that's all the case, and Allie is an employee of Maria's separate from this, yes, Maria can fire Allie if she didn't get what she wanted, but Maria had absolutely no power over Sutter in the least. She didn't control the male wrestlers- not even close. Maria had no power over Sutter except for "If you don't do what I'll say, I'll fire Allie"... ...and then you realize that this is a wrestling situation where Sutter and Allie win by doing nothing at all. All Sutter has to say is "Fine. I won't marry Laurel.", Maria gets Allie fired...and suddenly, Maria has no power over Allie and there's nothing stopping them from being together. Allie's fired, she can't be in TNA? Great. Sutter says "I'm making you my manager", and she's back. Not only does that logic make no sense since they win by doing nothing, but technically it makes Braxton look bad (since he presumably knows he could do nothing and get the girl he loves...or he can play into it, get to go a few rounds with someone who looks like Laurel, THEN get the woman he loves and act like it wasn't his choice.) Allie wasn't a wrestler when Maria brought her in, just a PA that really needed a job, so she puts up with it because she wouldn't be hired by TNA themselves (Yeah I know Cherry Bomb is a great wrestler, stick with it). And I get the feeling the Miracle Couple is supposed to be rich enough to hire a PA and 2 bodyguards, but Braxton Sutter isn't. {Spoiler}{Spoiler} Though at the wedding next week, Braxton does actually say no, and professes his love for Allie, which is the payoff.
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Feb 17, 2017 15:57:08 GMT -5
I'm just here for all the Mike "unseasoned chicken breast" Bennet nickname references...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2017 15:59:56 GMT -5
So, Allie is under more of a threat than just losing her job.
A couple of weeks ago someone whispered in Mike's ear what Maria would do to Allie if he didn't go through with the relationship with Laurel and whatever it was scared him enough to go through with it. It's a lame explanation, but it's an explanation.
My guess is: She sends Decay after them somehow leading into Braxton's next program.
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Post by corndog on Feb 17, 2017 16:52:52 GMT -5
I'm just here for all the Mike "unseasoned chicken breast" Bennet nickname references... I love the Mike "plain turkey sandwich" Bennett references, but it needs more Eddie "I iron my socks" Edwards ones.
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Feb 17, 2017 16:55:33 GMT -5
So, Allie is under more of a threat than just losing her job. A couple of weeks ago someone whispered in Mike's ear what Maria would do to Allie if he didn't go through with the relationship with Laurel and whatever it was scared him enough to go through with it. It's a lame explanation, but it's an explanation. My guess is: She sends Decay after them somehow leading into Braxton's next program. I'm all for Rosemary vs Allie, so if that's what was whispered into Mike "Rice Cake" Bennett's ear I'd be for that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Feb 17, 2017 17:13:54 GMT -5
I'm just here for all the Mike "unseasoned chicken breast" Bennet nickname references... I love the Mike "plain turkey sandwich" Bennett references, but it needs more Eddie "I iron my socks" Edwards ones. Eddie "Mike Bennett" Edwards will get his soon enough.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 17, 2017 21:14:17 GMT -5
I tried to watch the bachelors party. I f*** you not I couldn't last a minute.
This program is presented as a bad Indy show, f*** a bad Indy show is actually better booked. This is public access level shit
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Post by lildude8218 on Feb 17, 2017 21:25:10 GMT -5
Mike "Unflavored Gelatin" Bennett
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Feb 17, 2017 21:26:08 GMT -5
Wet cardboard has more personality than Bennet
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Post by Hypnosis on Feb 17, 2017 21:35:12 GMT -5
I'm just here for all the Mike "unseasoned chicken breast" Bennet nickname references... I love the Mike "plain turkey sandwich" Bennett references, but it needs more Eddie "I iron my socks" Edwards ones. Yet somehow we've had more Mike "Eats steak without sauce" Bennett segments in one year than Mike "Mows the lawn in lime-covered pajamas" Bennett nicknames.
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Post by lildude8218 on Feb 17, 2017 21:56:40 GMT -5
Mike "Plain Snow Cone" Bennett
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Post by Stone Coke Miami Watson 🥃 on Feb 17, 2017 22:27:44 GMT -5
Mike "CSPAN at Midnight" Bennett.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Feb 17, 2017 22:48:32 GMT -5
Mike "Straight To DVD" Bennett. More like Betamax I used to think that Maria got a rough deal in the wwe, but after seeing her "acting" I'm not surprised. I also don't ever need to see Mike Bennett and Braxton "Poor man's version of Mike Bennett" Sutter ever in a segment.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Feb 17, 2017 23:00:41 GMT -5
Mike "Eddie "Mike "Eddie "Mike Bennett" Edwards" Bennett" Edwards" Bennett
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