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Post by corndog on May 10, 2017 13:38:48 GMT -5
I agree it was the best episode so far and the last few episodes leading up to it were fantastic. Great to see Chuck finally get the comeuppance he deserved. Chuck tried to fight Jimmy at his level, underestimated him and got burned. While Chuck's demise and Jimmy outsmarting him at the end was very memorable, two things really stuck out to me about Jimmy in this episode. One when Chuck said, "Jimmy often does the wrong things for the right reasons, he has a good heart" then Kim telling Jimmy " You realize she will hate you after this", referring to Chuck's ex-wife Rebecca and Jimmy saying "I know" in a remorseful, yet accepting tone. Even in Jimmy's most heartless moment that will surely be the death nail for Chuck's career and driving force, Jimmy reunited Chuck with Rebecca, knowing she would take care of him when he no longer could.
Jimmy, much like Gus and Mike, is a good person, that finds a way to succeed and survive, in a bad world.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 10, 2017 13:54:07 GMT -5
I agree it was the best episode so far and the last few episodes leading up to it were fantastic. Great to see Chuck finally get the comeuppance he deserved. Chuck tried to fight Jimmy at his level, underestimated him and got burned. While Chuck's demise and Jimmy outsmarting him at the end was very memorable, two things really stuck out to me about Jimmy in this episode. One when Chuck said, "Jimmy often does the wrong things for the right reasons, he has a good heart" then Kim telling Jimmy " You realize she will hate you after this", referring to Chuck's ex-wife Rebecca and Jimmy saying "I know" in a remorseful, yet accepting tone. Even in Jimmy's most heartless moment that will surely be the death nail for Chuck's career and driving force, Jimmy reunited Chuck with Rebecca, knowing she would take care of him when he no longer could. Jimmy, much like Gus and Mike, is a good person, that finds a way to succeed and survive, in a bad world. I completely agree except for the last line. I think Gus is clearly more evil than Mike and Jimmy
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Post by corndog on May 10, 2017 14:05:04 GMT -5
I agree it was the best episode so far and the last few episodes leading up to it were fantastic. Great to see Chuck finally get the comeuppance he deserved. Chuck tried to fight Jimmy at his level, underestimated him and got burned. While Chuck's demise and Jimmy outsmarting him at the end was very memorable, two things really stuck out to me about Jimmy in this episode. One when Chuck said, "Jimmy often does the wrong things for the right reasons, he has a good heart" then Kim telling Jimmy " You realize she will hate you after this", referring to Chuck's ex-wife Rebecca and Jimmy saying "I know" in a remorseful, yet accepting tone. Even in Jimmy's most heartless moment that will surely be the death nail for Chuck's career and driving force, Jimmy reunited Chuck with Rebecca, knowing she would take care of him when he no longer could. Jimmy, much like Gus and Mike, is a good person, that finds a way to succeed and survive, in a bad world. I completely agree except for the last line. I think Gus is clearly more evil than Mike and Jimmy Gus is certainly capable of more evil things, but he is also in a much uglier world than either of them and found a way to be successful. Jimmy actually has no reason to be so disregarding of the law, yet he is simply due to a moral flaw of having no issues with breaking them. Mike on the other hand, knows what he is doing is wrong, but also sees it as a necessary means to help his family.
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Post by Malibu Albino on May 10, 2017 18:37:36 GMT -5
I completely agree except for the last line. I think Gus is clearly more evil than Mike and Jimmy Gus is certainly capable of more evil things, but he is also in a much uglier world than either of them and found a way to be successful. Jimmy actually has no reason to be so disregarding of the law, yet he is simply due to a moral flaw of having no issues with breaking them. Mike on the other hand, knows what he is doing is wrong, but also sees it as a necessary means to help his family. I don't really see anything good in what Gus does though, he's mostly motivated by revenge for what happened to his partner and while he treats those loyal to him well it doesn't go over great when you screw up usually. Also, this last episode might have been the best yet and this season is shaping up to be up there with the later seasons on Breaking Bad.
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Post by corndog on May 11, 2017 0:07:00 GMT -5
Gus is certainly capable of more evil things, but he is also in a much uglier world than either of them and found a way to be successful. Jimmy actually has no reason to be so disregarding of the law, yet he is simply due to a moral flaw of having no issues with breaking them. Mike on the other hand, knows what he is doing is wrong, but also sees it as a necessary means to help his family. I don't really see anything good in what Gus does though, he's mostly motivated by revenge for what happened to his partner and while he treats those loyal to him well it doesn't go over great when you screw up usually. Also, this last episode might have been the best yet and this season is shaping up to be up there with the later seasons on Breaking Bad. Honestly, you could be right and I don't want to derail a whole thread on the belief of Gus being a good or bad person, as other tend to disagree with me on that point. It's been a while since I watched Breaking Bad, since I actually watched it as it was aired. I just always felt Gus gave Walter more than enough chances, but Walter's greed and thirst for power was what pushed him too far making him unwilling to "play ball" with Gus.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 0:21:04 GMT -5
The only character that operated in the criminal world that I would argue of "being a good person" is Jesse and I feel like a reason why Better Call Saul was made to explore if Saul is or was a good person.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 0:33:13 GMT -5
The only character that operated in the criminal world that I would argue of "being a good person" is Jesse and I feel like a reason why Better Call Saul was made to explore if Saul is or was a good person. I wouldn't argue Jesse as being a good person, mostly thanks to his whole scheme to use his addiction help meetings to sell drugs to the other addicts. That's pretty obscenely f***ed up. He was definitely one of the most remorseful characters though. If we're counting minor characters, Gale was definitely the best person of the criminal contingent.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 0:56:38 GMT -5
The only character that operated in the criminal world that I would argue of "being a good person" is Jesse and I feel like a reason why Better Call Saul was made to explore if Saul is or was a good person. I wouldn't argue Jesse as being a good person, mostly thanks to his whole scheme to use his addiction help meetings to sell drugs to the other addicts. That's pretty obscenely f***ed up. He was definitely one of the most remorseful characters though. If we're counting minor characters, Gale was definitely the best person of the criminal contingent. I forgot about that shit.
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Post by trollrogue on May 11, 2017 17:42:08 GMT -5
Something just freakin brilliant about the two brothers who ostensibly love each other and wants what is best for the other one (Chuck trying to 'teach' Jimmy that he should respect the law and lawful acts more, and Jimmy trying to force Chuck to realize his electromagnet 'sickness' is a mental crutch and he's basically an asshole to Jimmy all series long despite both of them taking care of the other in their own ways--- Chuck letting Jimmy in the mail room and Jimmy buying Chuck's groceries and playing along with the absurd requests).
The only way they could talk normally to each other without animousity in this latest episode was as a witness giving testimony, and a defense lawyer looking to trip the witness up. Both Chuck and Jimmy knew EXACTLY what the other person had in mind, Chuck even said like a minute before he blew up in court that he knows Jimmy is trying to make him 'blow a gasket' with the ex-wife gambit. But Slippin Jimmy, when he has to be, is the more manipulative and clever brother between the two. Clearly, even him confessing to a felony on tape wasn't enough to have Jimmy disbarred and in the process Chuck gets his reputation irrevocably damaged by law partner, the law board, and his ex-wife who he had always tried to avoid looking weak in front of.
Chuck keeps trying to beat Jimmy at his own game, and it's making for a hell of a series.
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Post by trollrogue on May 11, 2017 17:46:59 GMT -5
The only character that operated in the criminal world that I would argue of "being a good person" is Jesse and I feel like a reason why Better Call Saul was made to explore if Saul is or was a good person. I wouldn't argue Jesse as being a good person, mostly thanks to his whole scheme to use his addiction help meetings to sell drugs to the other addicts. That's pretty obscenely f***ed up. He was definitely one of the most remorseful characters though. If we're counting minor characters, Gale was definitely the best person of the criminal contingent. Gale was Gus's bitch though, and he was pretty much only there to learn Walter's formula and then steal it after memorizing the procedure. He acted like a nice guy but he probably could use some fleshing out in BCS to show how much of a bad guy he really was. Let's not forget he is the direct reason why Hank dies/finds out that Walter is Heisenburg.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 18:41:38 GMT -5
I wouldn't argue Jesse as being a good person, mostly thanks to his whole scheme to use his addiction help meetings to sell drugs to the other addicts. That's pretty obscenely f***ed up. He was definitely one of the most remorseful characters though. If we're counting minor characters, Gale was definitely the best person of the criminal contingent. Gale was Gus's bitch though, and he was pretty much only there to learn Walter's formula and then steal it after memorizing the procedure. He acted like a nice guy but he probably could use some fleshing out in BCS to show how much of a bad guy he really was. Let's not forget he is the direct reason why Hank dies/finds out that Walter is Heisenburg. I mean sure he gets the blame for leaving behind the clue that gave away Walt's identity to Hank, but we're talking about being a "good person", not who is the least sloppy criminal. I would like to see more of Gale in BCS though, and get more of a backstory on him. Its going to be interesting seeing how people like Gale are introduced to the show. Seeing Victor's debut where Mike throws the money at him the same way he threw it at Walt was a cool moment.
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Post by Malibu Albino on May 12, 2017 0:09:08 GMT -5
Maybe I'm remembering things wrong but wasn't Gale brought on WITH Walter because Gus didn't trust Jesse? I never got the impression that Gus and Gale had previously worked together before Breaking Bad.
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Post by Perd on May 12, 2017 0:43:10 GMT -5
Maybe I'm remembering things wrong but wasn't Gale brought on WITH Walter because Gus didn't trust Jesse? I never got the impression that Gus and Gale had previously worked together before Breaking Bad. Gale was working for Gus before Walt came on board. A season 4 episode has a flashback where Gale is shown in the then empty lab. In fact, it's Gale, having been given a sample of Walt's product to test for purity, that encourages Gus to hire Walt.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 12, 2017 1:15:25 GMT -5
Maybe I'm remembering things wrong but wasn't Gale brought on WITH Walter because Gus didn't trust Jesse? I never got the impression that Gus and Gale had previously worked together before Breaking Bad. I'm half-remembering a flashback scene, not sure if it was Gale or another scientist telling Gus that he couldn't reproduce the blue meth, so they'd need to find the guy who made it. As for the reference to Gale being the reason Hank figured out Walter... well no. Hank was off the scent at that point, thought it was Gale. Then Walt got drunk and hinted that it wasn't Gale, that there was some other, brilliant mind. That was his own stupid fault. And what was the item that linked it all together? A gift from Gale because of his admiration for Walter. Can't really use that as evidence of him not being a decent guy.
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Post by Capt Lunatic on May 12, 2017 3:27:01 GMT -5
I hope the next series is about the shady vet's descent into crime.
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Post by OldDirtyBernie on May 12, 2017 9:45:24 GMT -5
Regarding Gale - Other than the fact that he knew that he was setting up a super-lab to be used for Meth Production, his only real character flaw was being careless. Gale's origins with Gus are explained when Gus is brought in for questioning(the first time?) by Hank, under the DEA's duress. He explained his relationship with Gale as Gale having been a recipient of Gus' science-related scholarship. In reality, Gus hand-picked Gale from those recipients to be the one to set up the super-lab while he explains Gale as being "troubled" and their relationship growing more personal as a result of Gus trying to help him with his troubles. As mentioned, Gale goes on to set up the lab and was instrumental in Gus hiring Walt and, indirectly, Jesse. However when Gale and Walt first work together, they bond somewhat over their fondness of poet Walt Whitman(specifically "Leaves of Grass", I believe; if not a different poem from the book of that name.) Where Gale's carelessness(CARELESSNESS!!!!!) comes in is his having kept the notebook containing evidence of the super-lab as well as names, or at the very least some initials of parties involved. At the point when Hank is still paralyzed his cop buddies bring copies of the evidence from the notebook to his house. While he's looking through it is when he finds the "W.W." initials. While Walter is beside him, he jokingly throws out "Walter White" as a possible "W.W." and Walt jokingly throws his hands up and says "Got me" nervously. Later, also as previously mentioned, after Hank had put together the "G.B." initials as Gale Boetticher Walter drunkenly alerts Hank's suspicions when he suggests that perhaps Gale was not Heisenberg, that there was another genius chemist behind the name. Finally at a party in the fifth season Hank, having suspicions already, excuses himself to go to the bathroom where he picks up a copy of "Leaves of Grass" by Walt Whitman that Gale had given Walter. Inside of the book Gale had written, "To my other favorite W.W., it's an honour working with you. G.B." It's after all of this that the dots connect and Hank rushes to his garage, where he's stored all of the case files, and fingers Walter as Heisenberg.
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Post by Lazy peon on May 12, 2017 11:06:09 GMT -5
This show has become as good as Breaking Bad!
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on May 12, 2017 13:17:20 GMT -5
I wouldn't argue Jesse as being a good person, mostly thanks to his whole scheme to use his addiction help meetings to sell drugs to the other addicts. That's pretty obscenely f***ed up. He was definitely one of the most remorseful characters though. If we're counting minor characters, Gale was definitely the best person of the criminal contingent. Gale was Gus's bitch though, and he was pretty much only there to learn Walter's formula and then steal it after memorizing the procedure. He acted like a nice guy but he probably could use some fleshing out in BCS to show how much of a bad guy he really was. Let's not forget he is the direct reason why Hank dies/finds out that Walter is Heisenburg. The reason Hank dies is due to his own ego. He was about to let the Heisenberg thing go, but then Walt got drunk and said that Heisenberg was probably still out there. It gave Hank the idea to keep looking. Running into the book in the bathroom sealed the deal.
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Post by trollrogue on May 12, 2017 20:05:06 GMT -5
Gale was Gus's bitch though, and he was pretty much only there to learn Walter's formula and then steal it after memorizing the procedure. He acted like a nice guy but he probably could use some fleshing out in BCS to show how much of a bad guy he really was. Let's not forget he is the direct reason why Hank dies/finds out that Walter is Heisenburg. The reason Hank dies is due to his own ego. He was about to let the Heisenberg thing go, but then Walt got drunk and said that Heisenberg was probably still out there. It gave Hank the idea to keep looking. Running into the book in the bathroom sealed the deal. The way Hank runs into the book in the bathroom just seems too Deus Ex Machina, which admittedly all of these 'aha' moments literally seem like irl It just contributes to whatever Gale in BCS does, all going towards 'fate'. That Hank eventually finds out everything. And that eventually ends things for Heisenburg. Whoever saves Gale's life in BCS is doing the work of... I don't know, justice? Cause eventually the butterfly effect leads to Hank/Heisenburg's untimely fate(s) in the final season of BB, for both Hank the good guy and Heisenburg the bad guy.
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on May 12, 2017 23:18:50 GMT -5
WTF does deus ex machina mean?
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