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Post by Malibu Albino on Jun 20, 2017 19:58:25 GMT -5
You guys are being much kinder in your interpretation of what Chuck said to him. Chuck literally told Jimmy that he never cared much for him, I really don't see how that shows any sort of forgiveness, he clearly feels bad about it and it's been kind of clear that his EMS is mostly triggered by guilt so it makes sense that his guilt over how he treated Howard and over pushing Jimmy away lead to his end but I don't think Chuck is approving of Jimmy's actions in anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2017 20:56:54 GMT -5
People keep talking about how slow this show is but I barely notice because I haven't been bored once yet. The quality of the show is great. And when it's slow it's entertaining. My only problem with some of season 1 and 2 was how slow it felt like it progressed in the Breaking Bad canon. Season 3 felt like a sprint and it was by far the most entertaining season. But looking back that was partly because of the insane re world building they had to do for two seasons. Michael McKean needs to win an Emmy.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jun 20, 2017 21:11:58 GMT -5
Jimmy holds off the settlement...so where does he get the money to become Saul? What's that? Chuck is getting a huge payout and then tells Jimmy "Embrace who you are...I'd at least respect you then." Can't wait for next season. Well, Jimmy is Chuck's only relative, and was his POA, IIRC. Jimmy would get all of Chuck's estate, which includes his remaining stake in HHM.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 21, 2017 0:41:07 GMT -5
Why give us a cliffhanger with Chuck? Why not just show us the consequences of his actions at the end? What cliffhanger? He clearly killed himself. Yeah, but we don't see it, someone could come in and save him, he could just be very badly burnt, and spend next season on life support, Jimmy has to decide wether to pull the plug etc. I don't get the hate for cliffhangers in general. Like, this and season 6 of Walking Dead, I just don't get it. The show ends the season on a dramatic note so that people spend the next year talking about it, and have to see the next season to find out what happens. I love it, the theories, the debate. Maybe it's because I grew up on Star Trek, I'm glad we didn't have the internet when Best of Both Worlds aired, super dramatic cliffhanger, one of the best moments of TV I've ever experienced.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 0:49:24 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out what made him decide to off himself and when he decided? Was it when he found out Howard was willing to sacrifice his own personal wealth to save his firm & to go that far to get rid of Chuck? Was that why Chuck brushed Jimmy off telling him "he never meant much to him" because that's when he knew he was on the edge of suicide and wanted to make him hate him before he pass? Or was it simply just the pain of the electromagnetism and how he destroyed his home to try find what is making the meter move?
It's kind of off character to see Chuck to brush away people he knew that loved him and will still do anything to help him. Like even if the feeling wasn't mutual he knew he could use them for his own gain. So it feels like he had something planned out for a long time. Or this whole thing is just one giant red herring.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 21, 2017 0:56:49 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out what made him decide to off himself and when he decided? Was it when he found out Howard was willing to sacrifice his own personal wealth to save his firm & to go that far to get rid of Chuck? Was that why Chuck brushed Jimmy off telling him "he never meant much to him" because that's when he knew he was on the edge of suicide and wanted to make him hate him before he pass? Or was it simply just the pain of the electromagnetism and how he destroyed his home to try find what is making the meter move? It's kind of off character to see Chuck to brush away people he knew that loved him and will still do anything to help him. Like even if the feeling wasn't mutual he knew he could use them for his own gain. So it feels like he had something planned out for a long time. Or this whole thing is just one giant red herring. Well they did show bottles of meds that have suicial tendencies as side effects and an anti-suicide hotline number. I'm not surprised. This is a guy who always held himself as the best, the paragon of the law. Now, he's lost everything on 2 counts. First off, there's the fact that he has lost his family, as much as he hates Jimmy, the not caring was straight up lying, that'll hurt his pride. He's also been kicked out of his life's work. But more than that, he was beaten in both cases, which will have shattered his ego. Jimmy beat him in court, the little upstart, know nothing, crooked little shit beat the mighty Charles McGill! And then when he was using his knowledge of the law to blackmail HHM into keeping him on, the kid he brought through beat him. So now he has nothing, no family, no legacy, and he's not good enough to do anything about it.
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Post by Back to being Cenanuff on Jun 21, 2017 9:52:50 GMT -5
I'm assuming season 4 is going to be the last one, because the only moral anchor Jimmy has left is Kim, and the backstory is about 80% set for Breaking Bad. Questions that need answers for season 4:
1. What happens to Kim? Does Jimmy drive her away? Does she give up the law? Does she go back to HHM after seeing the direction Jimmy goes?
2. Nacho wasn't in BB. What happens to him? I'm about 50/50 on it. I think either Tuco offs him when he gets out of jail, or Gus decides he's not trustworthy enough to bring into his organization and has Mike take care of it. Second option would make better TV.
3. Are we going to see Jesse Pinkman? IIRC, he worked down the line for Tuco (worked for a guy who worked for a guy), so seeing a scene with Captain Cook wouldn't be out of the question.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Jun 21, 2017 10:51:46 GMT -5
Nacho is SOOOO dead
I'm guessing Mike takes him out on Gus' orders.
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Post by corndog on Jun 21, 2017 12:11:02 GMT -5
I'm just trying to figure out what made him decide to off himself and when he decided? Was it when he found out Howard was willing to sacrifice his own personal wealth to save his firm & to go that far to get rid of Chuck? Was that why Chuck brushed Jimmy off telling him "he never meant much to him" because that's when he knew he was on the edge of suicide and wanted to make him hate him before he pass? Or was it simply just the pain of the electromagnetism and how he destroyed his home to try find what is making the meter move? It's kind of off character to see Chuck to brush away people he knew that loved him and will still do anything to help him. Like even if the feeling wasn't mutual he knew he could use them for his own gain. So it feels like he had something planned out for a long time. Or this whole thing is just one giant red herring. Well they did show bottles of meds that have suicial tendencies as side effects and an anti-suicide hotline number. I'm not surprised. This is a guy who always held himself as the best, the paragon of the law. Now, he's lost everything on 2 counts. First off, there's the fact that he has lost his family, as much as he hates Jimmy, the not caring was straight up lying, that'll hurt his pride. He's also been kicked out of his life's work. But more than that, he was beaten in both cases, which will have shattered his ego. Jimmy beat him in court, the little upstart, know nothing, crooked little shit beat the mighty Charles McGill! And then when he was using his knowledge of the law to blackmail HHM into keeping him on, the kid he brought through beat him. So now he has nothing, no family, no legacy, and he's not good enough to do anything about it. That is how I feel about it, Chuck lost everything and took a massive blow to his ego. Even after "losing" to Jimmy in the disbarment case, he still could live to fight another day and was so driven to do so, he was working to overcome his "illness". Once he lost HHM, he officially lost and there no coming back. As far as what he said to Jimmy, I think it was a half truth. He obviously cared about him, even if it was negatively, or he wouldn't have gone so far to stop him from being a lawyer. However, I think the second part was definitely true. He knows how destructive Jimmy is more than anyone else, but what he hates more than his shortcuts and hurting everyone around him, is he still thinks he can make things right after everything he has done.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Jun 21, 2017 16:44:59 GMT -5
The trial episode was GREAT. But I just feel that the show has been plodding along almost aimlessly over the past season, with very little being resolved. Why give us a cliffhanger with Chuck? Why not just show us the consequences of his actions at the end? The Mike episodes have been a big bore to me, especially the scene that dragged on for 15 minutes where he was dismantling the car and dealing with the GPS device. There is plenty I love about the show, but a lack of ANYTHING of consequence happening during various points has made me frustrated. Breaking Bad, for as many valleys as it had, never felt like this. I hope it picks up. I really do enjoy the show overall, but this season was disappointing. It's not a cliffhanger. Michael McKean confirmed he's dead, and Talking Saul started with a graphic for a suicide hotline. I think they just wanted to leave the shot to people's imagination rather than showing him dead.
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Post by Perd on Jun 21, 2017 18:28:49 GMT -5
I think losing HHM was the final straw for Chuck. It was really the only thing that he cared about. And, in the end, his partner was so anxious to be rid of him, he went into his own pocket. And it was Jimmy, someone for whom Chuck only has disdain, that Chuck views as the cause of it all.
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Post by Ryback on a Pole! on Jun 27, 2017 5:56:03 GMT -5
I love this show, but I just want this season to end with Chuck going down in flames. Oh how I hate him. An accurate prediction there. Guessing him literally going in flames was pretty satisfying?
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Post by Johnny on Jun 27, 2017 14:57:51 GMT -5
I realise that was aimed at stuntgranny, but that's an interesting question. I found myself feeling sorry for Chuck. He obviously was an asshole, but his illness drove him to suicide, and I felt for him. My wife on the other hand, was very happy to see him suffer.
Anyone else feel sorry for Chuck?
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Post by Bobeddy on Jun 27, 2017 15:38:22 GMT -5
I realise that was aimed at stuntgranny, but that's an interesting question. I found myself feeling sorry for Chuck. He obviously was an asshole, but his illness drove him to suicide, and I felt for him. My wife on the other hand, was very happy to see him suffer. Anyone else feel sorry for Chuck? Chuck was an overly proud jerk with a superiority complex and an unflinching, inflexible, callous view of right and wrong. But he was also a sick old man who drove everyone who cared for him away. It's clear that his world fell apart when he and his wife separated and he just couldn't cope. That's the sign of a fleshed out character, that you can hate them but still pity them.
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Post by StuntGranny® on Jun 27, 2017 20:20:11 GMT -5
I love this show, but I just want this season to end with Chuck going down in flames. Oh how I hate him. An accurate prediction there. Guessing him literally going in flames was pretty satisfying? I think I may be a prophet.
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