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Post by Chainsaw on Apr 22, 2017 19:58:19 GMT -5
About how much he hates WWE now. About all this vitrol he's throwing their way now. Especially after reading the spoilers tonight, I finally have to ask:
What, exactly, did they do to him? I'm not talking about how they've treated Paige, that's secondary, and now it feels like a lot of this they both have brought on themselves. The WWE signed him to a big, multimillion dollar contract after he was on fire in the indies, and it feels like the biggest complaint that he could have about them is that they didn't push him well. Which is fine, lots of people who think that they should get the big push and don't. But in getting there, he flat out left AAA in the dust while he was their champ, not even choosing to drop the belt or anything. He's already been pushed as a champ, as a main eventer, even questionably, because it's debatable about whether he was a big draw for them. Eventually, they decide to part ways after he gets a 30-day Wellness suspension. It wasn't like they flat out fired him. But the way he throws the narrative around, you'd think Vince himself punched him repeatedly in the face while Trips held his arms, fired him, drained his bank accounts, and revoked his visa. It's not like he got the CM Punk treatment from them, yet he keeps shooting off like they did. There are a ton of other guys who got raw deals from the WWE, and this assclown seems to think he got the rawest of them all, when it feels like he could have gotten off really easy compared to others. And yeah, I know, TNA, and Cokehead Del Knifefight, but I really don't think him or any of the people in his life get that they really didn't have an awful exit, they're just making it more awful by letting him go off now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 20:01:17 GMT -5
Well, they did put the two of them on separate brands... but Alberto acts like he's the only one that happened to and like it's some grand suffering he and Paige alone had to bare while you don't see Cass or Ambrose having meltdowns over it.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 22, 2017 20:49:26 GMT -5
The only thing I will say for Del Rio was that WWE never really knew how to "succeed" in pushing him but in saying that they gave him damn near every accolade possible. However, the problem with Del Rio was he never showed that fire in WWE than he did anywhere else
Basically it has been shown wherever he goes, he is a problem and it is only a matter of time before Impact deals with that headache. They put you and Paige on separate shows, okay you are not the only that has happened to. Dean Ambrose is on a different show from his wife, Cass from his Girlfriend, Bliss from her fiancee etc.... He has a attitude problem and does not take responsibility for anything that happens. Paige seems the most level headed out the two as far as trying to stay with WWE unless until she is healthy despite her own outburst sometime.
Plain and simple Alberto just needs to grow up because people are on to your shit and your act is wearing thin.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Apr 22, 2017 20:53:19 GMT -5
Ok, I'll play Devil's advocate.
When Alberto left the WWE the first time he was a hot free agent. He was a big draw on the indy circuit, big enough that ROH was willing to pony up some money for him to work a couple of dates for them. In Mexico he was made the top guy in AAA and their champion. He was also on the ground floor for Lucha Underground which has since become a big cult phenomenon.
Then the WWE comes calling with promises of World Title reigns, main event feuds, and some kind of program with Paul Heyman as his manager. So he burns his bridges with Lucha Underground, and severely damages his bridge with AAA when not only does he leave but the WWE doesn't allow him to drop the title on the way out. He doesn't even come close to getting the push he was promised in the WWE and less then a year later is being forced out with his in-ring credibility hurt by how pathetic he was portrayed. Then stories start leaking about how he left the WWE and he's now seen as an unreliable drug addict with issues controlling his temper, so now the indies are wary about using him. Because of how his WWE return went Lucha Underground wants nothing to do him and while AAA will use him they're not gonna make him the showpiece of the company like he was a year or so earlier. And to top it all off the best he can do for steady employment is TNA. That's gonna make anybody grumpy.
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Post by Urethra Franklin on Apr 22, 2017 21:30:24 GMT -5
Ok, I'll play Devil's advocate. When Alberto left the WWE the first time he was a hot free agent. He was a big draw on the indy circuit, big enough that ROH was willing to pony up some money for him to work a couple of dates for them. In Mexico he was made the top guy in AAA and their champion. He was also on the ground floor for Lucha Underground which has since become a big cult phenomenon. Then the WWE comes calling with promises of World Title reigns, main event feuds, and some kind of program with Paul Heyman as his manager. So he burns his bridges with Lucha Underground, and severely damages his bridge with AAA when not only does he leave but the WWE doesn't allow him to drop the title on the way out. He doesn't even come close to getting the push he was promised in the WWE and less then a year later is being forced out with his in-ring credibility hurt by how pathetic he was portrayed. Then stories start leaking about how he left the WWE and he's now seen as an unreliable drug addict with issues controlling his temper, so now the indies are wary about using him. Because of how his WWE return went Lucha Underground wants nothing to do him and while AAA will use him they're not gonna make him the showpiece of the company like he was a year or so earlier. And to top it all off the best he can do for steady employment is TNA. That's gonna make anybody grumpy. Absolutely. Does the dude have legitimate grievances with the WWE? For sure. Is the dude also a petulant, unprofessional asshole who is showing tendencies of a severe substance abuse problem? Also for sure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 21:38:17 GMT -5
I was done with him the minute he tried to make LU out to be against him because they did not hand him everything he thought he deserved even though they gave him wayy more than he ever deserved now in hindsight and also finding out later that he was the one that refused to put over Pentagon...and so Vampiro took it upon himself to do it.
f*** Berto dude is the epitamey of someone buying into their own hype.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 22, 2017 21:43:38 GMT -5
His Uncle would even tell him to tone it down
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 22, 2017 21:53:53 GMT -5
His Uncle would even tell him to tone it down Mill is his own beast smh. ADR is a headcase but I still think he has a mile to catch up to him
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Apr 22, 2017 22:58:41 GMT -5
Ok, I'll play Devil's advocate. When Alberto left the WWE the first time he was a hot free agent. He was a big draw on the indy circuit, big enough that ROH was willing to pony up some money for him to work a couple of dates for them. In Mexico he was made the top guy in AAA and their champion. He was also on the ground floor for Lucha Underground which has since become a big cult phenomenon. Then the WWE comes calling with promises of World Title reigns, main event feuds, and some kind of program with Paul Heyman as his manager. So he burns his bridges with Lucha Underground, and severely damages his bridge with AAA when not only does he leave but the WWE doesn't allow him to drop the title on the way out. He doesn't even come close to getting the push he was promised in the WWE and less then a year later is being forced out with his in-ring credibility hurt by how pathetic he was portrayed. Then stories start leaking about how he left the WWE and he's now seen as an unreliable drug addict with issues controlling his temper, so now the indies are wary about using him. Because of how his WWE return went Lucha Underground wants nothing to do him and while AAA will use him they're not gonna make him the showpiece of the company like he was a year or so earlier. And to top it all off the best he can do for steady employment is TNA. That's gonna make anybody grumpy. But how much of the shit that's making him grumpy is his own damn fault? Del Rio burned the bridges with LU and AAA. Whether WWE didn't let him drop the title or he said "nah f*** it I don't care", he still made the decisions to go along with it and agreed to those terms. Terms that saw him burning his employers. As someone who came up in Mexico and whose family is a very deeply ingrained luchador family, he knows exactly what kind of pettiness would be waiting for him if/when he went back. A company was pushing him hard and he basically said "Nah f*** it, see ya" to them and ran off to win the US title. His booking in WWE isn't something you can really fault him for, but to say his in-ring credibility took a hit because of his booking is laughable. Del Rio looking bad was on him for not giving half a f*** about what he was doing, tying into the issues of temper and drug use. Everyone gets lured in with the promise of a push bigger than they end up getting, and again he ought to have known what he was getting into with that. Not only has he come up through wrestling, but he's been in WWE before, he knows the score. Then there's his drug problems. Yeah, he is an unreliable drug addict who has issues with controlling his temper. We don't know that because of WWE rumours we know that because of his own damn behavior. Because of his drunken rants and the ever-changing story of him getting stabbed, his no-showing shows and the shit going on with Paige. He's been on a pretty bad spiral down the past few years and yeah I'm sure he's grumpy about it, but clearly he has bigger problems in his own life and with his own actions, and he has damn well earned his TNA employment through being a colossal f***-up so bad everywhere else that the only people who will trust him and book him are the same people who still employ a wife beater and The Wolves.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Apr 23, 2017 0:25:24 GMT -5
Isn't WWE really good about letting guys finishing up committed indy dates? They are letting the Hardys do it, for one.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Apr 23, 2017 0:35:36 GMT -5
Isn't WWE really good about letting guys finishing up committed indy dates? They are letting the Hardys do it, for one. Yes in fact they respect you a lot if you are honest about your dates and that you want to finish up. I believe Cesaro, KO or someone like that had indy dates they were scheduled for and when they told WWE they could not start on date they wanted, WWE told them that is fine finish up your dates and start after
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 23, 2017 0:37:46 GMT -5
They can't force the talent to make their indy dates
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Post by 2coldMack is even more baffled on Apr 23, 2017 0:53:14 GMT -5
Isn't WWE really good about letting guys finishing up committed indy dates? They are letting the Hardys do it, for one. Yes in fact they respect you a lot if you are honest about your dates and that you want to finish up. I believe Cesaro, KO or someone like that had indy dates they were scheduled for and when they told WWE they could not start on date they wanted, WWE told them that is fine finish up your dates and start after To that point, the first time Cesaro was hired, back in 2006, he cancelled indy dates so he could start sooner. WWE canned him because of it.
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Post by siredger on Apr 23, 2017 0:54:21 GMT -5
They can't force them but they'll appreciate your loyalty if you honor those commitments. That's something I thought Alberto would hold in high standards, given his family history in the business.
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 23, 2017 1:24:36 GMT -5
They can't force them but they'll appreciate your loyalty if you honor those commitments. That's something I thought Alberto would hold in high standards, given his family history in the business. Nah he and his family don't care about it, his uncle Mil Mascaras is the biggest egomaniac in the history of wrestling. He doesn't like selling moves or losing. f*** I don't think there's footage anywhere of Mil Mascaras getting pinned or losing cleanly.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 23, 2017 1:35:16 GMT -5
when you that big of a draw you not going to do many clean jobs
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Apr 23, 2017 1:47:08 GMT -5
when you that big of a draw you not going to do many clean jobs That's the problem I don't think he ever did one single job in his life and put anyone over. In his podcast Konnan told an awesome story about 76 year old Mil Mascaras not wanting to lose a f***ing handicap match lol.
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Post by andrew8798 on Apr 23, 2017 1:49:01 GMT -5
I'm sure we can find one in Mexico or Japan
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Apr 23, 2017 1:55:10 GMT -5
Ok, I'll play Devil's advocate. When Alberto left the WWE the first time he was a hot free agent. He was a big draw on the indy circuit, big enough that ROH was willing to pony up some money for him to work a couple of dates for them. In Mexico he was made the top guy in AAA and their champion. He was also on the ground floor for Lucha Underground which has since become a big cult phenomenon. Then the WWE comes calling with promises of World Title reigns, main event feuds, and some kind of program with Paul Heyman as his manager. So he burns his bridges with Lucha Underground, and severely damages his bridge with AAA when not only does he leave but the WWE doesn't allow him to drop the title on the way out. He doesn't even come close to getting the push he was promised in the WWE and less then a year later is being forced out with his in-ring credibility hurt by how pathetic he was portrayed. Then stories start leaking about how he left the WWE and he's now seen as an unreliable drug addict with issues controlling his temper, so now the indies are wary about using him. Because of how his WWE return went Lucha Underground wants nothing to do him and while AAA will use him they're not gonna make him the showpiece of the company like he was a year or so earlier. And to top it all off the best he can do for steady employment is TNA. That's gonna make anybody grumpy. There's also the bit where he no-showed what would've been his return match to AAA, followed this by tweeting a pic of himself with knife wounds, and offered multiple contradictory stories over the next few days for how he got shivved.
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Post by ayumidah on Apr 23, 2017 2:51:31 GMT -5
ADR was slipping before his return to WWE, no showing events even then. That charity event where he disappeared mysteriously and had people worried, then once he resurfaced, started complaining that he wasn't being put in first class and given every other accommodation he requested?
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