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Post by Long A, Short A on May 1, 2017 0:25:04 GMT -5
That promo reeked of Cool Girl(tm) bullshit and I can't see how that spurred of helped anything.
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Post by Peeetah on May 1, 2017 0:25:47 GMT -5
Just like the Mickie James war that came before it and the Alexa Bliss war that is sure to follow it. We should never forget the Mickie James war that was fought for reasons I just can't remember. Judging from a thread started tonight, it seems the Alexa Bliss war has already begun. So it seems fitting that this thread would be created to remind us what is to follow. "It's with a solemn heart that I must announce that the Internet is angry about a female wrestler again."
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Post by Dub H on May 1, 2017 0:44:59 GMT -5
All I know is that the bellas were goddamn awful in there,more than the usual
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Post by Kalmia on May 1, 2017 1:39:27 GMT -5
I think AJ's delivery of the promo was great - even if she didn't write it you can believe that she believed it, so in that sense it was a good promo.
I don't think the contents of it did any good, as it was hypocritical and buried the division. Maybe the right follow up could have saved it, but on its own it did more harm than good. Maybe if she'd only concentrated on the Bellas, and not the entire roster....
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Post by xxshoyuweeniexx on May 1, 2017 8:10:28 GMT -5
I don't know how bad we should feel for Nikki and the gang considering... - Both Punk and AJ have said that the fallout from the promo was meant to be much bigger but 'someone' got offended and reduced the storyline to a series of matches with no words. - Nikki herself has admitted or at least alluded to the fact that she was pissed at AJ for a long time over this kayfabe promo. AJ would not get a live mic again until Paige's debut. She was speaking regularly before then. AJ Lee was the heel. AJ Lee was in wrong. Rather then let that play out on-screen, Nikki used the clout she swears she doesn't have to alter the whole thing. It's a shame too because when they finally appeared to put their beef aside in 2015, their interactions were pretty fun. Maybe Nikki knew AJ was on her way out and let herself relax a bit. The thing about this is, besides being still kinda bad in the ring in 2013, Nikki had nothing to stand on, kayfabe or nonkayfabe. There was no Lioness or fearless stuff to play off of, neither Bella were some inspirational hero loved by women. They were just chicks who randomly came back and all of a sudden have a reality show. Remember, the Bella's were technically heels as well, but this was the start of "all the Total Divas are goody good faces now and everyone not on the show is an evil heel now because E! Network". So you've got lifetime heels who are supposed to be faces only because they have a tv show vs a heel who ignores her own kayfabe and real life concerning her boyfriends and how much attention they got her. So honestly, 2013 Nikki or Brie vs AJ Lee would have been a terrible feud.
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Post by Instant Classic on May 1, 2017 8:22:36 GMT -5
She sucks.
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Post by Abdullah on May 1, 2017 9:01:36 GMT -5
I don't know how bad we should feel for Nikki and the gang considering... - Both Punk and AJ have said that the fallout from the promo was meant to be much bigger but 'someone' got offended and reduced the storyline to a series of matches with no words. - Nikki herself has admitted or at least alluded to the fact that she was pissed at AJ for a long time over this kayfabe promo. AJ would not get a live mic again until Paige's debut. She was speaking regularly before then. AJ Lee was the heel. AJ Lee was in wrong. Rather then let that play out on-screen, Nikki used the clout she swears she doesn't have to alter the whole thing. It's a shame too because when they finally appeared to put their beef aside in 2015, their interactions were pretty fun. Maybe Nikki knew AJ was on her way out and let herself relax a bit. The thing about this is, besides being still kinda bad in the ring in 2013, Nikki had nothing to stand on, kayfabe or nonkayfabe. There was no Lioness or fearless stuff to play off of, neither Bella were some inspirational hero loved by women. They were just chicks who randomly came back and all of a sudden have a reality show. Remember, the Bella's were technically heels as well, but this was the start of "all the Total Divas are goody good faces now and everyone not on the show is an evil heel now because E! Network". So you've got lifetime heels who are supposed to be faces only because they have a tv show vs a heel who ignores her own kayfabe and real life concerning her boyfriends and how much attention they got her. So honestly, 2013 Nikki or Brie vs AJ Lee would have been a terrible feud. I mean, you're right. Brie vs AJ happened and it was terrible. But there was no reason they couldn't have started on the Fearless stuff a year earlier rather than scarping whatever follow-up they had because of a little backstage conflict.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 1, 2017 9:04:38 GMT -5
It was beautiful.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 1, 2017 9:33:18 GMT -5
Little AJ did on screen really moved things forward for women's wrestling, they'd had other girls just as talented as she is, surrounded by divas in the past and they faded away as they were made to carry people beneath them. AJ's real contribution was confronting Stephanie on social media and pointing out her bandwagon jumping, that shaming did more to push the WWE into actually giving women's wrestling a shot, instead of having barely trained valets try to work a match.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on May 1, 2017 9:36:09 GMT -5
did it help? not really. the models still ruled the roost for a long time after that.
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Post by Abdullah on May 1, 2017 9:44:24 GMT -5
Little AJ did on screen really moved things forward for women's wrestling, they'd had other girls just as talented as she is, surrounded by divas in the past and they faded away as they were made to carry people beneath them. AJ's real contribution was confronting Stephanie on social media and pointing out her bandwagon jumping, that shaming did more to push the WWE into actually giving women's wrestling a shot, instead of having barely trained valets try to work a match. I half-believe it and half-meme it but it does feel like AJ's tweet calling out Stephanie did a lot to either wake her up or just send her into an overload of image control. It's hilarious either way.
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Post by corndog on May 1, 2017 10:25:04 GMT -5
In reality what really changed things was how women's wrestling was perceived and booked in NXT and IMO obtaining Sara Del Rey as a trainer. At the time of this promo, Charlotte, Sasha Banks and Bayley were already working in NXT. Sara Del Rey was already training women in NXT.
While AJ did have a short stint in the indies before her WWE run, unlike most of the women in that promo, Natalya had a much more extensive indy background than AJ. Mickie James and Beth Phoenix had longer pre-WWE runs than AJ as well.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 1, 2017 10:29:01 GMT -5
- Both Punk and AJ have said that the fallout from the promo was meant to be much bigger but 'someone' got offended and reduced the storyline to a series of matches with no words. Not for nothing, but her and Punk saying that doesn't make it true.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 1, 2017 10:29:13 GMT -5
Would have been a better promo had those Bella bitches kept their mouths shut, the useless Kardashian wannabes.
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Post by Abdullah on May 1, 2017 10:33:56 GMT -5
- Both Punk and AJ have said that the fallout from the promo was meant to be much bigger but 'someone' got offended and reduced the storyline to a series of matches with no words. Not for nothing, but her and Punk saying that doesn't make it true. I'll take their word for it and also Nikki who has been very candid about how that particular promo hurt her. If you read everyone's answers on the subject, it paints a clear enough view of what went down more or less.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 1, 2017 10:40:20 GMT -5
Would have been a better promo had those Bella bitches kept their mouths shut, the useless Kardashian wannabes. Nah. Your hatred for the Bellas aside, it was a terrible promo. "This division sucks and everyone in it is a fraud. Now hail your champion of said division!" Nobody came out of that promo looking good. AJ was a champion of a joke division and the girls all got buried.
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Post by The Ichi on May 1, 2017 10:44:05 GMT -5
The Bellas no-selling the whole thing was really f***ing annoying. They were being slut-shamed. I'm glad they no-sold it. It's funny how people are okay with slut shaming depending on who is on the recieving end of it.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 1, 2017 10:45:07 GMT -5
Not for nothing, but her and Punk saying that doesn't make it true. I'll take their word for it and also Nikki who has been very candid about how that particular promo hurt her. If you read everyone's answers on the subject, it paints a clear enough view of what went down more or less. Eh, you might be right. It begs the question of exactly what the payoff would have been.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 1, 2017 10:46:14 GMT -5
The Bellas no-selling the whole thing was really f***ing annoying. They were being slut-shamed. I'm glad they no-sold it. It's funny how people are okay with slut shaming depending on who is on the recieving end of it. Right. What exactly were they supposed to do? Cry? Nod while mouthing, "you're right, AJ"? I mean, of course they're going to be pissed off and screaming at you....
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 1, 2017 10:48:41 GMT -5
She delivered well, but she couldn't have come across tryin to be Punk anymore if she'd Sharpied DRUG FREE on her knuckles.
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