Ben Wyatt
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I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 22, 2017 12:29:48 GMT -5
I'm beginning to think that people can actually change and the person they were when they were younger aren't the people they're doomed to be.
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Post by Wrestling Curmudgeon on May 22, 2017 12:30:51 GMT -5
I think the dude would gladly put me over if he was getting paid. He'll go to the papers if he has to!
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Post by joeiscool on May 22, 2017 12:34:27 GMT -5
I think it's partly because Orton will always have a job in the wwe. If he's not ever getting fired why wouldn't you put other people over?
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on May 22, 2017 12:56:04 GMT -5
any time you make an argument for someone else he can always counter "well I put over Jinder Freaking Mahal".
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Post by The Thread Barbi on May 22, 2017 13:00:56 GMT -5
He seems to look at it like it's a job. Which, of course, it is. Ooh double entendre! I like it.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on May 22, 2017 13:03:49 GMT -5
I don't buy the "He knows he has no stock or leverage" because if Vince didn't clearly like him and value him, he wouldn't keep getting the world title in underperforming reign after underperforming reign. And maybe he's not a Rock-level draw, but he pops the crowd and sells merch at a level that gives him some value in the company.
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Ben Wyatt
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 22, 2017 13:04:10 GMT -5
I think it's partly because Orton will always have a job in the wwe. If he's not ever getting fired why wouldn't you put other people over? I don't know man, there have been plenty of guys who were pretty much bullet proof in terms of their standing and they haven't put people over nearly as much as Orton has.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 22, 2017 13:06:56 GMT -5
Orton's not a mark for himself. He does his job, gets his money and that's the right way to go. He's already a multi-millionnaire so probably doesn't give a shit who he loses to.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 22, 2017 13:07:28 GMT -5
I don't buy the "He knows he has no stock or leverage" because if Vince didn't clearly like him and value him, he wouldn't keep getting the world title in underperforming reign after underperforming reign. And maybe he's not a Rock-level draw, but he pops the crowd and sells merch at a level that gives him some value in the company. Yeah, this notion that Orton is just "there" has reached some pretty silly levels. He has value. He wouldn't be around otherwise.
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Ben Wyatt
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Are You Gonna Go My Way?
I don't get it. At all. It's kind of a small horse, I mean what am I missing? Am I crazy?
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Post by Ben Wyatt on May 22, 2017 13:08:15 GMT -5
Orton's not a mark for himself. He does his job, gets his money and that's the right way to go. He's already a multi-millionnaire so probably doesn't give a shit who he loses to. He's also smart enough to realize that losses aren't going to do shit to him at this point in his career. Wish more guys figured that out
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on May 22, 2017 13:15:32 GMT -5
I don't buy the "He knows he has no stock or leverage" because if Vince didn't clearly like him and value him, he wouldn't keep getting the world title in underperforming reign after underperforming reign. And maybe he's not a Rock-level draw, but he pops the crowd and sells merch at a level that gives him some value in the company. Yea, it's not the best argument I believe. Plenty of guys have been untouchable but they have gone nowhere near the lengths Randy have to put guys over. He was tapping to Daniel Bryan on a random Raw when they were doing the "weak link" storyline. He's like the only one who Swagger beat during his world championship reign. He has way too many examples of putting guys over than to chop it up as well he should because X, Y and Z
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Post by hossfan on May 22, 2017 13:52:57 GMT -5
Orton made "Hall of Pain" Mark Henry into an absolute beast by not only losing to him twice clean as a sheet but also by acting like a prick before their first championship match when he mocked him and said history showed he had no shot of winning.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 23, 2017 2:30:00 GMT -5
I don't think there's any doubt about this. Bret runs him close but Rock has become selfish in the last decade and usually humiliates someone when he returns.
Orton jobs for everyone, is usually the first main eventer to job to a guy making his way up and never belittles them the way others would. I think it's one of the things people won't appreciate until he's gone.
People benefit from working with him. I'm not sure we can say the same for many of the top main eventers. He also doesn't need to "get his win back".
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Post by baerrtt on May 23, 2017 4:17:53 GMT -5
I've said it before on here but Cena quite frankly deserves a lot more credit in this regard even moreso than Bret whose only clean jobs during his main event WWF run were to his brother, however talented, and Shawn Michaels in an overrated match. Irrespective of 'getting wins back'(something smarks are too fixated on I feel) the clean losses to Styles last year at Summerslam, Daniel Bryan at the same event in '13, Wyatt this year, Kevin Owens on his debut, the one sided beating at the hands of Lesnar in '14 where even Orton got more offense in against Brock by comparison etc are unprecedented for someone who is the face of the company.
Rock, prior to his returns since 2011, may have been more evidently willing than Austin or Trips to stare at the ceiling lights but his losses, Lesnar aside, weren't remotely clean and for all the praise he's getting Orton's loss to Mahal wasn't either.
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Post by Mid-Carder on May 23, 2017 4:21:17 GMT -5
I've said it before on here but Cena quite frankly deserves a lot more credit in this regard even moreso than Bret whose only clean jobs during his main event WWF run were to his brother, however talented, and Shawn Michaels in an overrated match. Irrespective of 'getting wins back'(something smarks are too fixated on I feel) the clean losses to Styles last year at Summerslam, Daniel Bryan at the same event in '13, Wyatt this year, Kevin Owens on his debut, the one sided beating at the hands of Lesnar in '14 where even Orton got more offense in against Brock by comparison etc are unprecedented for someone who is the face of the company. Rock, prior to his returns since 2011, may have been more evidently willing than Austin or Trips to stare at the ceiling lights but his losses, Lesnar aside, weren't remotely clean and for all the praise he's getting Orton's loss to Mahal wasn't either. Except when Cena loses it doesn't count for some reason and he's never done telling us who isn't in his league. And he belittles people constantly and sells like a brick wall. There's more to putting someone over than losing to them.
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Post by baerrtt on May 23, 2017 4:29:08 GMT -5
^ With AJ Styles and Daniel Bryan it certainly did.
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Post by Ricky Nightshade on May 23, 2017 8:17:03 GMT -5
He kinda is. He knows he's in a spot where WWE'll just put him on top anyway so yea sure put someone over. Also, he let Brock kinda sorta spit his head open.
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Post by Confused Mark Wahlberg on May 23, 2017 8:59:21 GMT -5
Orton realizes this is all a work and all that matters is getting paid
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Post by The Ichi on May 23, 2017 11:51:06 GMT -5
I will say the Mark Henry feud was fantastic. He lost to someone who had his number and that was that. Compare to Cena (who I'm a bigger fan of) who has to get his win back plus interest in many feuds.
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Post by Shark on May 23, 2017 13:05:14 GMT -5
I've said it before on here but Cena quite frankly deserves a lot more credit in this regard even moreso than Bret whose only clean jobs during his main event WWF run were to his brother, however talented, and Shawn Michaels in an overrated match. Irrespective of 'getting wins back'(something smarks are too fixated on I feel) the clean losses to Styles last year at Summerslam, Daniel Bryan at the same event in '13, Wyatt this year, Kevin Owens on his debut, the one sided beating at the hands of Lesnar in '14 where even Orton got more offense in against Brock by comparison etc are unprecedented for someone who is the face of the company. Rock, prior to his returns since 2011, may have been more evidently willing than Austin or Trips to stare at the ceiling lights but his losses, Lesnar aside, weren't remotely clean and for all the praise he's getting Orton's loss to Mahal wasn't either. Wyatt, Owens, I'll bring up Rusev were all worse off after feuding with Cena. Rusev has really never been the same since that feud. Owens needed some time to get built up again. Wyatt lost all steam. When he feuded with AJ at the start of this year, Cena made AJ seem like he was nothing. Cena might have lost to them, but he almost never put them over. Also getting the wins back is important to note because that's the last thing the audience sees. Yeah, Kevin Owens beat Cena in his debut. And he lost twice in a row after that. It's not a good sign to be worse off after feuding with a top name. I'm just going to say this, when it comes to Daniel Bryan, Triple H, Randy Orton, and the Authority angle did more to put over Bryan than anything Cena did. Bryan overcoming the Authority was a better and bigger moment. Any time Cena and Bryan interacted, it felt like Cena was just trying to leech off Bryan's popularity.
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