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Post by baerrtt on Jun 6, 2017 4:07:55 GMT -5
I've said it before on here but Cena quite frankly deserves a lot more credit in this regard even moreso than Bret whose only clean jobs during his main event WWF run were to his brother, however talented, and Shawn Michaels in an overrated match. Irrespective of 'getting wins back'(something smarks are too fixated on I feel) the clean losses to Styles last year at Summerslam, Daniel Bryan at the same event in '13, Wyatt this year, Kevin Owens on his debut, the one sided beating at the hands of Lesnar in '14 where even Orton got more offense in against Brock by comparison etc are unprecedented for someone who is the face of the company. Rock, prior to his returns since 2011, may have been more evidently willing than Austin or Trips to stare at the ceiling lights but his losses, Lesnar aside, weren't remotely clean and for all the praise he's getting Orton's loss to Mahal wasn't either. Wyatt, Owens, I'll bring up Rusev were all worse off after feuding with Cena. Rusev has really never been the same since that feud. Owens needed some time to get built up again. Wyatt lost all steam. When he feuded with AJ at the start of this year, Cena made AJ seem like he was nothing. Cena might have lost to them, but he almost never put them over. Also getting the wins back is important to note because that's the last thing the audience sees. Yeah, Kevin Owens beat Cena in his debut. And he lost twice in a row after that. It's not a good sign to be worse off after feuding with a top name. I'm just going to say this, when it comes to Daniel Bryan, Triple H, Randy Orton, and the Authority angle did more to put over Bryan than anything Cena did. Bryan overcoming the Authority was a better and bigger moment. Any time Cena and Bryan interacted, it felt like Cena was just trying to leech off Bryan's popularity. The fact that Bryan put Cena down on his own for the WWE Title only to have the moment taken from him from by Trips/The Authority is what ignited that feud. If Cena had gone over the B+ player jibes would have, kayfabe, been legit and because of John's loss at his hands the casuals/marks watching knew it wasn't job done. As for Rusev etc that was up to the company and creative not Cena in booking mid card heels to lose to their TOP face which the in my 40 years of watching the company is pretty much a standard. It's the equivalent of Dr Who fans complaining about the Doctor always defeating the Daleks...after 50 years.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jun 6, 2017 17:43:56 GMT -5
The fact that Bryan put Cena down on his own for the WWE Title only to have the moment taken from him from by Trips/The Authority is what ignited that feud. If Cena had gone over the B+ player jibes would have, kayfabe, been legit and because of John's loss at his hands the casuals/marks watching knew it wasn't job done. Which would be great. If that was the plan. I know Orton at least has confirmed that the plan for this whole storyline was just to get Orton over there so that he could look conniving. Bryan was just a bit player in the Cena/Orton storyline, everything that happened afterwards was very, very much against WWE's will until an alarmingly late stage.
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Post by eJm on Jun 6, 2017 18:12:37 GMT -5
The fact that Bryan put Cena down on his own for the WWE Title only to have the moment taken from him from by Trips/The Authority is what ignited that feud. If Cena had gone over the B+ player jibes would have, kayfabe, been legit and because of John's loss at his hands the casuals/marks watching knew it wasn't job done. Which would be great. If that was the plan. I know Orton at least has confirmed that the plan for this whole storyline was just to get Orton over there so that he could look conniving. Bryan was just a bit player in the Cena/Orton storyline, everything that happened afterwards was very, very much against WWE's will until an alarmingly late stage. Yeah, Bryan getting a title shot was only supposed to be a reward for getting so over so quickly, to basically capitalise on his growing success, before being used for the next step in that storyline with Orton in the Authority and then eventually do Orton/Cena (this was pre Batista return) and HHH/Punk. And it still amuses me, still to this day, about how close to WrestleMania 30 it was before they went with Bryan. The shows leading up to it were like watching the televised embodiment of a 70 year old man keeping himself from mentally snapping.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jun 7, 2017 0:17:46 GMT -5
He has to be to out up with the crap they're making him say, which we know is only to make him look like the heel in India.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Jun 7, 2017 12:44:31 GMT -5
Bryan was already the most popular star since Austin when he feuded with Cena. If anything Cena benefited from Bryan and his momentum
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