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Post by evilone on Aug 15, 2017 13:10:03 GMT -5
Yknow...for as much as Cornette rags on the Omega/kid or Ibushi/doll stuff as exposing wrestling....this is far, far worse for me. As at least within the kayfabe world of those other matches, those are still presented as actual contests, so you can suspend disbelief that in-kayfabe this 9-yr-old kid is somehow an incredible wrestler, or in a wackier promotion that the doll is alive. This? This is straight up both guys breaking the immersion of wrestling as a competition, to do a Cool Flip And Pose for a cheap pop. They're not trying to present it as legit in the slightest. And it takes me entirely out of the match, because it's the same as 2 actors in a play breaking character to do a bow to the audience mid-scene, because they're so proud of their acting. It's just a different kind of wrestling to me. Yes you have your usual "I will now pretend this battle is not predetermined and try to mark out" WWE wrestling or you can accept the fact it's predetermined and just want the admire the choreography. That GIF above is pure ballet inside the ring. I absolutely have nothing against it, it's not my favorite but I appreciate for what it is, a nicely paced, high athletic wrestling moves that require precision, timing and practice to pull off put together in a choreographed performance package. Much like a play or a movie, less like competition.
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Post by Malcolm on Aug 15, 2017 13:48:25 GMT -5
This is quite possibly the spot monkiest thing I've ever seen. That stupid "run to the ropes, flip, and pose" thing really ruins it.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Aug 16, 2017 15:22:17 GMT -5
Generally, the Irish whip, but I found this particular example that makes the move look all-the-more unnecessary. LOL John Cena might be the most unathletic athlete in history. Everything looks so awkward. It's like his body is missing some joints.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Aug 16, 2017 15:49:50 GMT -5
Generally, the Irish whip, but I found this particular example that makes the move look all-the-more unnecessary. LOL John Cena might be the most unathletic athlete in history. Everything looks so awkward. It's like his body is missing some joints. A lot of the problems with the Irish whip involve selling. If the move isn't sold properly, then the very reason for doing the move stops making sense within the context of the match. Compare Cena's sell of Swagger's Irish whip to this. Rougeau sells the force of the pull he's placing on Bret's arm by using both arms to pull Hart across the ring. Then Hart runs into the momentum of the pull and spikes himself chest-first into the top turnbuckle. The move here looks believable and makes sense within the context of the match. The problem I have with the Ricochet/Ospreay gif that's been posted in this thread isn't the reversal, nor the reversal of the reversal, nor even the fact that both guys shoot off the ropes without being whipped into them per se. It's simply that both guys do the same thing. Handspring, backflip, land, and pose. Had one guy did that, but the other guy did, I don't know, a corkscrew, a roll, something else, then it would demonstrate how the wrestlers are different (in terms of character and style), in addition to being evenly matched (in the case of the reversal and the reversal of the reversal).
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 16, 2017 16:00:37 GMT -5
Ricochet's counter was awesome, and if the two wrestlers had looked at each other, then both did the bounce off the ropes, that'd look a bit more like a "your move" matching each other moment, but they just shoot off without looking at each other and decide to do the same thing for no real reason other than to pat themselves on the back. It doesn't anger me or anything, it just was something that could have been cooler had they shown a teensy bit more restraint. Actually that's simple. Ospreay was playing mind games with Ricochet, who does that spot basically every match. It was pretty much a "I know all your tricks bro, find new ones" spot. Like, if you've never seen a Ricochet match it looks stupid, but in context it's like Will is calling him predictable as hell Wanna see a really stupid spot? Here's why it's a good thing Dan Maff got blacklisted:
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Post by Jake, The Jake, Jake on Aug 16, 2017 21:58:37 GMT -5
Wanna see a really stupid spot? Here's why it's a good thing Dan Maff got blacklisted: At least it got the three count.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Aug 16, 2017 22:04:59 GMT -5
My first thought. This always makes me laugh so hard.
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Post by Starshine on Aug 16, 2017 22:19:27 GMT -5
Probably the ending to the Bucks vs. Ospreay/Scurll.I like the Meltzer Driver as a rule. I think the unnecessary flip into the spike is funny and fits with the Bucks wrestling excess gimmick. But despite this sequence being an incredible example of timing and athletics, I just find it a little too much. Also I'm obligated to post this in these threads.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 22:24:02 GMT -5
My first thought. I'll never, ever get tired of seeing that suplex GIF.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 17, 2017 10:00:49 GMT -5
My first thought. I'll never, ever get tired of seeing that suplex GIF. My favourite part is that Eddie (red tights) is the one who does the second suplex, but he still ends up being the one to eat shit from it.
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Post by Alice Syndrome on Aug 17, 2017 10:05:01 GMT -5
At least it got the three count. Yeah, at the expense of Trent Acid's neck. there's a reason Kenta Kobashi only did that move 7 times and this dillhole was doing it every week onto steel chairs for no money and 20 people in the crowd.
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Post by KobashiChop on Aug 17, 2017 12:18:48 GMT -5
Probably the ending to the Bucks vs. Ospreay/Scurll.I like the Meltzer Driver as a rule. I think the unnecessary flip into the spike is funny and fits with the Bucks wrestling excess gimmick. But despite this sequence being an incredible example of timing and athletics, I just find it a little too much. Also I'm obligated to post this in these threads. This for me gets a pass purely because its the Undertaker in a pre-Brock streak match.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 17, 2017 23:13:38 GMT -5
The problem I have with the Ricochet/Ospreay gif that's been posted in this thread isn't the reversal, nor the reversal of the reversal, nor even the fact that both guys shoot off the ropes without being whipped into them per se. It's simply that both guys do the same thing. Handspring, backflip, land, and pose. Had one guy did that, but the other guy did, I don't know, a corkscrew, a roll, something else, then it would demonstrate how the wrestlers are different (in terms of character and style), in addition to being evenly matched (in the case of the reversal and the reversal of the reversal). my understanding was they both have signature moves that start with that backflip hence why they both went for it.
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Post by MrElijah on Aug 17, 2017 23:14:29 GMT -5
Ricochet's counter was awesome, and if the two wrestlers had looked at each other, then both did the bounce off the ropes, that'd look a bit more like a "your move" matching each other moment, but they just shoot off without looking at each other and decide to do the same thing for no real reason other than to pat themselves on the back. It doesn't anger me or anything, it just was something that could have been cooler had they shown a teensy bit more restraint. Actually that's simple. Ospreay was playing mind games with Ricochet, who does that spot basically every match. It was pretty much a "I know all your tricks bro, find new ones" spot. Like, if you've never seen a Ricochet match it looks stupid, but in context it's like Will is calling him predictable as hell Wanna see a really stupid spot? Here's why it's a good thing Dan Maff got blacklisted: How the f*** he didn't break the others guy's neck?
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Post by hesgotabithycle on Aug 18, 2017 9:07:23 GMT -5
Always hated those spots whete 5-6 guys are outside the ring pretending to be dazed for an uncomfortably long time, and one guy goes to the turnbuckle to dive on the whole group as they try to catch him.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 19, 2017 18:36:03 GMT -5
Always hated those spots whete 5-6 guys are outside the ring pretending to be dazed for an uncomfortably long time, and one guy goes to the turnbuckle to dive on the whole group as they try to catch him. Best one for this is that episode of ECW where Kid Kash takes out like 40 guys.
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Post by hesgotabithycle on Aug 20, 2017 2:02:29 GMT -5
LOL John Cena might be the most unathletic athlete in history. Everything looks so awkward. It's like his body is missing some joints. A lot of the problems with the Irish whip involve selling. If the move isn't sold properly, then the very reason for doing the move stops making sense within the context of the match. Compare Cena's sell of Swagger's Irish whip to this. Rougeau sells the force of the pull he's placing on Bret's arm by using both arms to pull Hart across the ring. Then Hart runs into the momentum of the pull and spikes himself chest-first into the top turnbuckle. The move here looks believable and makes sense within the context of the match. The problem I have with the Ricochet/Ospreay gif that's been posted in this thread isn't the reversal, nor the reversal of the reversal, nor even the fact that both guys shoot off the ropes without being whipped into them per se. It's simply that both guys do the same thing. Handspring, backflip, land, and pose. Had one guy did that, but the other guy did, I don't know, a corkscrew, a roll, something else, then it would demonstrate how the wrestlers are different (in terms of character and style), in addition to being evenly matched (in the case of the reversal and the reversal of the reversal). This was insane btw. I always wondered just how badly it hurt when he ran into the buckle with that much force. And while it wasn't an every match spot...he did do it quite often.
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Post by hesgotabithycle on Aug 20, 2017 2:11:20 GMT -5
Another spot I absolutely hate (not sure if it is done anymore) is when a wrestler would come out and sit in the crowd while his rival is wrestling, and the announcer would inform us "Well so and so bought a ticket so he has a right to be here"
You could always just come down to ringside. Nope, gotta sit in the crowd for some reason for 30 seconds until the match ends and he calls me out. That was worth the ticket price!
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 20, 2017 2:32:44 GMT -5
A lot of the problems with the Irish whip involve selling. If the move isn't sold properly, then the very reason for doing the move stops making sense within the context of the match. Compare Cena's sell of Swagger's Irish whip to this. Rougeau sells the force of the pull he's placing on Bret's arm by using both arms to pull Hart across the ring. Then Hart runs into the momentum of the pull and spikes himself chest-first into the top turnbuckle. The move here looks believable and makes sense within the context of the match. The problem I have with the Ricochet/Ospreay gif that's been posted in this thread isn't the reversal, nor the reversal of the reversal, nor even the fact that both guys shoot off the ropes without being whipped into them per se. It's simply that both guys do the same thing. Handspring, backflip, land, and pose. Had one guy did that, but the other guy did, I don't know, a corkscrew, a roll, something else, then it would demonstrate how the wrestlers are different (in terms of character and style), in addition to being evenly matched (in the case of the reversal and the reversal of the reversal). This was insane btw. I always wondered just how badly it hurt when he ran into the buckle with that much force. And while it wasn't an every match spot...he did do it quite often. Probably hurt more than it was worth doing. You can call it the Mick Foley rule. If a sell looks great, but you don't see other guys doing it much, odds are, it hurt a lot, like Rock picking up the ring steps and dropping them from the ring onto a prone Foley, which he mentioned in one of his books as being quite painful, while having the steps placed over you and hit with the chair did not hurt but was pretty loud.
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