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Post by hesgotabithycle on Aug 20, 2017 2:41:26 GMT -5
This was insane btw. I always wondered just how badly it hurt when he ran into the buckle with that much force. And while it wasn't an every match spot...he did do it quite often. Probably hurt more than it was worth doing. You can call it the Mick Foley rule. If a sell looks great, but you don't see other guys doing it much, odds are, it hurt a lot, like Rock picking up the ring steps and dropping them from the ring onto a prone Foley, which he mentioned in one of his books as being quite painful, while having the steps placed over you and hit with the chair did not hurt but was pretty loud. Another piece of grizzled old vet advice was to never ever do that spot enough times to where the fans expect it as part of your match and are looking forward to it. Hogan specifically in one of his shoots talks about if he could do it all over again he would never drop a leg and just use a sleeper because of all the damage it did to his tailbone The Perfect Plex was a thing of beauty but Hennig ended up with terrible back issues eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 3:22:48 GMT -5
I get so tired of threads like this, and posts about "This takes me right out of the match" or "This makes it look so fake". Guys, wrestling IS fake. It is not a real fight. You know what it look fake? The fact that 2 guys can beat the holy hell out of each other for an hour and come out without a scratch. How many times have you ever seen a vertical suplex in a fight? Or an Irish whip? Or an arm wringer? Or a collar-and-elbow lock up? How many times in a real fight have you seen someone sit someone on a higher surface and then sit there waiting on another guy to climb up and do a move on them? It's entertainment. It's a Hollywood fight scene being performed in front of you. Wrestling hasn't been realistic since it left the carny sideshows and became entertainment. And you know why? Because without the showmanship, it's f***ing boring. Relax. Yeah, but you still want it to remain true to the genre and have a degree of realism to it. I know Dark Knight is fiction but it still would've taken me out of the movie if Batman suddenly beat Joker with heat vision at the end. Or a little less ridiculous, it's the issue with the fights in the movie adaptation of Watchmen. It's a dark, gritty story that's going for some level of realism with the whole superhero thing, at least in terms of its impact on society, except because it's Zack Snyder making it all the fights are suddenly these huge elaborate stop-and-go CGI fests that just look completely out of place and don't fit the tone at all.
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Post by 67 more on Aug 20, 2017 3:24:46 GMT -5
Another spot I absolutely hate (not sure if it is done anymore) is when a wrestler would come out and sit in the crowd while his rival is wrestling, and the announcer would inform us "Well so and so bought a ticket so he has a right to be here" You could always just come down to ringside. Nope, gotta sit in the crowd for some reason for 30 seconds until the match ends and he calls me out. That was worth the ticket price! Only time this really works is if someone is suspended or banned from ringside or any other valid reason he doesnt have access to ringside.
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 20, 2017 3:30:22 GMT -5
Probably hurt more than it was worth doing. You can call it the Mick Foley rule. If a sell looks great, but you don't see other guys doing it much, odds are, it hurt a lot, like Rock picking up the ring steps and dropping them from the ring onto a prone Foley, which he mentioned in one of his books as being quite painful, while having the steps placed over you and hit with the chair did not hurt but was pretty loud. Another piece of grizzled old vet advice was to never ever do that spot enough times to where the fans expect it as part of your match and are looking forward to it. Hogan specifically in one of his shoots talks about if he could do it all over again he would never drop a leg and just use a sleeper because of all the damage it did to his tailbone The Perfect Plex was a thing of beauty but Hennig ended up with terrible back issues eventually. I'm honestly kind of surprised he didn't do his Axe Bomber as more of a US thing, not just mostly Japan. After all, he was calling attention to his big-ass arms and all. A sleeper would have probably worked fine, it'd also go with the big arms, but the Axe Bomber seems like more of a face pop move.
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Post by 魔界5号 on Aug 20, 2017 3:57:34 GMT -5
EVIL's chairshot, on top of taking a long time to prepare for, doesn't look like it would hurt in the slightest
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Post by 67 more on Aug 20, 2017 8:53:29 GMT -5
EVIL's chairshot, on top of taking a long time to prepare for, doesn't look like it would hurt in the slightest In addition of the impact of the chair, the chair around the head twists the neck.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2017 9:20:43 GMT -5
Probably hurt more than it was worth doing. You can call it the Mick Foley rule. If a sell looks great, but you don't see other guys doing it much, odds are, it hurt a lot, like Rock picking up the ring steps and dropping them from the ring onto a prone Foley, which he mentioned in one of his books as being quite painful, while having the steps placed over you and hit with the chair did not hurt but was pretty loud. Another piece of grizzled old vet advice was to never ever do that spot enough times to where the fans expect it as part of your match and are looking forward to it. Hogan specifically in one of his shoots talks about if he could do it all over again he would never drop a leg and just use a sleeper because of all the damage it did to his tailbone The Perfect Plex was a thing of beauty but Hennig ended up with terrible back issues eventually. In my opinion, Hogan should've stuck with the Axe Bomber. Another piece of grizzled old vet advice was to never ever do that spot enough times to where the fans expect it as part of your match and are looking forward to it. Hogan specifically in one of his shoots talks about if he could do it all over again he would never drop a leg and just use a sleeper because of all the damage it did to his tailbone The Perfect Plex was a thing of beauty but Hennig ended up with terrible back issues eventually. I'm honestly kind of surprised he didn't do his Axe Bomber as more of a US thing, not just mostly Japan. After all, he was calling attention to his big-ass arms and all. A sleeper would have probably worked fine, it'd also go with the big arms, but the Axe Bomber seems like more of a face pop move. That's what I get for replying without reading the whole thread.
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Post by Citizen Snips Has Left on Aug 20, 2017 14:09:52 GMT -5
A lot of the problems with the Irish whip involve selling. If the move isn't sold properly, then the very reason for doing the move stops making sense within the context of the match. Compare Cena's sell of Swagger's Irish whip to this. Rougeau sells the force of the pull he's placing on Bret's arm by using both arms to pull Hart across the ring. Then Hart runs into the momentum of the pull and spikes himself chest-first into the top turnbuckle. The move here looks believable and makes sense within the context of the match. The problem I have with the Ricochet/Ospreay gif that's been posted in this thread isn't the reversal, nor the reversal of the reversal, nor even the fact that both guys shoot off the ropes without being whipped into them per se. It's simply that both guys do the same thing. Handspring, backflip, land, and pose. Had one guy did that, but the other guy did, I don't know, a corkscrew, a roll, something else, then it would demonstrate how the wrestlers are different (in terms of character and style), in addition to being evenly matched (in the case of the reversal and the reversal of the reversal). This was insane btw. I always wondered just how badly it hurt when he ran into the buckle with that much force. And while it wasn't an every match spot...he did do it quite often. Bret mentioned in his book that it hurt every time, but because of the sympathy he'd get from the crowd and his opponents loved it because it made them look like killers he kept doing it.
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Post by brody on Aug 22, 2017 13:00:33 GMT -5
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 22, 2017 14:35:39 GMT -5
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Aug 22, 2017 17:29:32 GMT -5
Anyone know who this is and how badly they were hurt after this?
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 22, 2017 17:35:26 GMT -5
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Post by 67 more on Aug 22, 2017 17:56:47 GMT -5
Anyone know who this is and how badly they were hurt after this? From what I've read, guy's luckiest person in the world and escaped with just a scraped elbow. Don't know who he is.
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Post by HisRoyalGreeness on Aug 22, 2017 20:48:26 GMT -5
Anyone know who this is and how badly they were hurt after this? From what I've read, guy's luckiest person in the world and escaped with just a scraped elbow. Don't know who he is. Yeah, that's extremely lucky. I thought his arm and hip had to be toast.
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