jagilki
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Post by jagilki on Sept 14, 2017 7:08:56 GMT -5
He murdered a 7-year-old child. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Regardless of anything else he did in his life, he murdered a 7-year-old child. Thus why I don't call when I watch his work "Celebration". Like anything else in history, it's a lesson. A lesson in the perils of the business, concussions, and mental health. I personally hate the "concussions, so he's innocent" attitude (not saying that's your attitude). I believe that yes. His mental state and the concussions can be pointed at as contributing factors, but ultimatly in the end he's still the one who made this decision. It still is on his hands.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 14, 2017 8:33:59 GMT -5
I still have my copy in a box somewhere with a bunch of my other DVDs including My Wrestlemania 20 DVD that probably still has my ticket in it. I can't watch either for pretty much the same reason that the end of the story is he then went on to kill his wife and child. Thus why I don't call when I watch his work "Celebration". Like anything else in history, it's a lesson. A lesson in the perils of the business, concussions, and mental health. I personally hate the "concussions, so he's innocent" attitude (not saying that's your attitude). I believe that yes. His mental state and the concussions can be pointed at as contributing factors, but ultimatly in the end he's still the one who made this decision. It still is on his hands. and he was still semi-cognizant about what he did with how he reacted afterwards.
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Allie Kitsune
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 14, 2017 8:44:24 GMT -5
Thus why I don't call when I watch his work "Celebration". Like anything else in history, it's a lesson. A lesson in the perils of the business, concussions, and mental health. I personally hate the "concussions, so he's innocent" attitude (not saying that's your attitude). I believe that yes. His mental state and the concussions can be pointed at as contributing factors, but ultimatly in the end he's still the one who made this decision. It still is on his hands. The message to Chavo (well, that he still had the mental clarity to compose and send it) pretty much confirms that it was a calculated, pre-meditated decision, and not a sudden psychotic break, either. If you suddenly fly into a homicidal rage, you typically don't take the time to tell somebody "Hey, could you take care of my dogs?".
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Sept 14, 2017 8:49:01 GMT -5
I personally hate the "concussions, so he's innocent" attitude (not saying that's your attitude). I believe that yes. His mental state and the concussions can be pointed at as contributing factors, but ultimatly in the end he's still the one who made this decision. It still is on his hands. The message to Chavo (well, that he still had the mental clarity to compose and send it) pretty much confirms that it was a calculated, pre-meditated decision, and not a sudden psychotic break, either. If you suddenly fly into a homicidal rage, you typically don't take the time to tell somebody "Hey, could you take care of my dogs?". I believe that was about him killing himself. Daniel and Nancy were dead at that point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 9:12:01 GMT -5
I remember my local Wal-Mart started selling older WWE DVDs at some point for something like 7 bucks apiece. It was pretty much all stuff from 2004, so Vengeance, Badd Blood, etc. and I bought pretty much all of them, but I forgot to get the Benoit DVD. This couldn't have been too long before the murder-suicide happened, but man was I ever thankful I forgot that DVD. There for a while it physically made me sick to even see pictures of the guy.
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Post by edgestar on Sept 14, 2017 9:24:41 GMT -5
I remember my local Wal-Mart started selling older WWE DVDs at some point for something like 7 bucks apiece. It was pretty much all stuff from 2004, so Vengeance, Badd Blood, etc. and I bought pretty much all of them, but I forgot to get the Benoit DVD. This couldn't have been too long before the murder-suicide happened, but man was I ever thankful I forgot that DVD. There for a while it physically made me sick to even see pictures of the guy. I usually buy their documentaries, but that one was hard to find, when it came out. When I did find it, there was only one copy, and the person next to me in the aisle, was saying he had been looking forward to that dvd for a while, so I figured he should get it. Now, I don't have interest in seeing it. I don't think I've watched any of his matches since then, but I'm not sure if that's because of what happened, or, just watching other matches.
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Sept 14, 2017 9:27:35 GMT -5
I'll never understand the urge some have to create "in praise of the murderer" threads "because he wuz a good rassler."
I'm sure there's some people who appreciate Hitler as a painter, too, and try to separate that from the genocide he perpetrated.
CB was a cold blooded murderer. He had the mental wherewithal to make up a lie for why he didn't attend the PPV. He bound his wife before murdering her. He drugged his own son before murdering him. He carried this out over the course of three days. None of that adds up to "he's innocent because he had the brain of a 90 year old Alzheimer's patient," because 90 year old Alzheimer's patients don't even recognize people they know when they see them. They don't make calculated decisions to lie about their actions because they aren't aware of their actions.
He did what he did. That some still want to praise him and got more upset about WWE "erasing" him (by not celebrating him, by not mentioning the murderer or showing his matches in vignettes about people he wrestled) than about the fact that he killed his own family. And I'll never, ever get that.
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Post by Stu on Sept 14, 2017 9:35:27 GMT -5
The only reason I don't watch it is because all my DVDs are alphabetized and I'm too lazy to dig through them to reach my WWE discs in the very back. Hell, I'm too lazy to grab the ones in the front and have to switch HDMI cables and plug in my DVD player.
I should just sell all my DVDs.
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thecrusherwi
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Post by thecrusherwi on Sept 14, 2017 9:43:13 GMT -5
I have the Hard Knocks DVD and will keep it because I'm a collector and value completeness in my collection. That being said, I am sure I'll never watch it again. I don't mind watching Benoit matches as much anymore. I don't seek them out, but if he's on a show I want to watch, I'll watch it. I don't think they should be removed either, because I believe history needs to be accurately documented as it really happened, even in something as trivial as wrestling. But I don't need to watch a documentary glorifying a murderer. Even if he had CTE or whatever, those murders are still 100% in him. Countless guys in the NFL have had the same issues and either got help or tragically just took their own life instead of harming others. Benoit could've done the same and it's on him that he didn't.
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 14, 2017 9:57:43 GMT -5
I used the dvd as a coaster for like a year.
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Post by Rudy Gobert Fadeaway on Sept 14, 2017 10:06:09 GMT -5
I used the dvd as a coaster for like a year. I used it as a platform for my Hard Crocs
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 10:08:20 GMT -5
He murdered a 7-year-old child. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Regardless of anything else he did in his life, he murdered a 7-year-old child. I don't mean to be a hard ass, but people who keep defending him just make me feel like they are glossing over what he did because they don't want their childhood memories soiled. It's very unhealthy & downright selfish.
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Post by thirteen3 on Sept 14, 2017 10:09:07 GMT -5
I still have my copy right next to me on a shelf. Along with a Crysis, The Orange Box, Fallout 3 (both pc versions) and a broken portable hard drive.
I remember a few back realizing I still had a copy thinking that it must be out of print and therefore rare. One ebay search later and a I was disappointed. Checked again just now and it's going for as cheap as £2.69 on DVD, not to mention all the cheap arse UMD's. ('member that?)
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Post by 1 Free Moon-Down with Burger on Sept 14, 2017 10:20:26 GMT -5
He murdered a 7-year-old child. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. Regardless of anything else he did in his life, he murdered a 7-year-old child. I don't mean to be a hard ass, but people who keep defending him just make me feel like they are glossing over what he did because they don't want their childhood memories soiled. It's very unhealthy & downright selfish. I know it's a hacky thing to say especially on a wrestling board but this is an honest question. Does anyone think we'd even have a third of the people saying "Well we have to separate the performer from the real person" if the wrestler that killed his family was someone who's a garbage wrestler or just an unpopular one?
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Jiren
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Post by Jiren on Sept 14, 2017 10:23:46 GMT -5
I watch the matches disc but I won't watch the documentary.
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Post by edgestar on Sept 14, 2017 10:23:50 GMT -5
I don't mean to be a hard ass, but people who keep defending him just make me feel like they are glossing over what he did because they don't want their childhood memories soiled. It's very unhealthy & downright selfish. I know it's a hacky thing to say especially on a wrestling board but this is an honest question. Does anyone think we'd even have a third of the people saying "Well we have to separate the performer from the real person" if the wrestler that killed his family was someone who's a garbage wrestler or just an unpopular one? There would probably be some that said that.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 14, 2017 10:30:08 GMT -5
The message to Chavo (well, that he still had the mental clarity to compose and send it) pretty much confirms that it was a calculated, pre-meditated decision, and not a sudden psychotic break, either. If you suddenly fly into a homicidal rage, you typically don't take the time to tell somebody "Hey, could you take care of my dogs?". I believe that was about him killing himself. Daniel and Nancy were dead at that point. Yea in addition I believe Nancy sister she light on some facts that people were not privy to when she went on Talk is Jericho. We knew about the Chavo text situation but she said the cops found out I believe somewhere around within a week before the murders he was searching on the internet the fastest ways to break your neck and if I remember correctly they found him hanged and his cause of death was a broken neck. This wasn't a "crime of passion" it was cold and calculated. We know his brain was essentially f***ed but everything that's been described tells a story of a premidated attack and how he calculated out his steps.
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Post by I'm Team Bayley and Indi on Sept 14, 2017 10:49:31 GMT -5
I've been able to watch his matches if I am watching old PPVs or Nitro on the Network but never set out to watch them (think the first match I watched post incident was is stinker with Eddie Guerrero at One Night Stand in 2010).
There is a group on Facebook called Chris Benoit fans, that occasionally pops up on my timeline when a friend of mine as shared something, they are obsessed with things like Benoit being in the HOF, Kevin Sullivan's involvement and just generally a lot denial.
I did use to own the Hard Knocks DVD autographed by him but got rid of it a few years back.
I recommend anybody gave a listen to Jericho's podcast with his Nancy's sister. it's well worth a listen
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Post by Pgarodactyl on Sept 14, 2017 10:50:59 GMT -5
I sold my DVD to a used shop that had it catalogued as "rare/out of print". Managed to get a full return on the initial cost I spent on the DVD when it came out.
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AlexaBliss4Life
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Sept 14, 2017 11:05:11 GMT -5
I don't get how something made and produced 3 years before the tragedy comes off as creepy now. Plus if WWE had gotten him the help he needed, these kinds of conversations wouldn't exist because at most he would've died from his heart issue. So in theory, I blame WWE for not getting him help in time.
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