saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Sept 14, 2017 17:07:05 GMT -5
I disagree with those who classify this as a tragedy.
A tragedy happens: someone is hit by a bus, someone dies in a hurricane, etc.
This was an atrocity. An atrocity is perpetrated. It is committed by someone. It doesn't just "happen."
There's a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 17:16:47 GMT -5
I can still watch Benoit matches with no problem, regardless of everything he was one of the absolute best technical wrestlers of all time.That said when I watch his matches now it's not like it used to be, before the murders I used to watch him in awe of how good that he was and how hard that he went in the ring, but after the murders there's always a cloud hanging around that causes me to not enjoy them as I once did.
I will never buy the CTE was the sole reason that the murders happened though. I'm sure that it was a contributing factor, but if his brain was as far gone as people make it out to be he wouldn't have been able to make all of his flights, hotels, car rentals, appointments, and still be able to have quality wrestling matches. Dude wasn't Verne Gagne thinking that he was wrestling someone and accidentally killing them, he was a guy that over a weekend brutally killed his wife, drugged and killed his seven year old son, and then killed himself. In between the murders and his suicide he lied to the WWE and his friends in the company. At the end of the day Chris Benoit was a coward.
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Post by AlexaBliss4Life on Sept 14, 2017 17:20:52 GMT -5
I don't get how something made and produced 3 years before the tragedy comes off as creepy now. Plus if WWE had gotten him the help he needed, these kinds of conversations wouldn't exist because at most he would've died from his heart issue. So in theory, I blame WWE for not getting him help in time. So if you kill your family, it's your employer's fault? Nice world you live in. They could've helped prevent it.
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Post by lionheart21 on Sept 14, 2017 17:29:35 GMT -5
So if you kill your family, it's your employer's fault? Nice world you live in. They could've helped prevent it. Dude, you are just continuing to dig yourself into a hole here. In what possible way can you stop the actions of a man whose actions shocked even his closest friends AKA those who were around him enough throughout the years to know whether or not something was wrong?
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Sept 14, 2017 17:32:57 GMT -5
So if you kill your family, it's your employer's fault? Nice world you live in. They could've helped prevent it. No. Flat out wrong
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Sept 14, 2017 17:38:32 GMT -5
So if you kill your family, it's your employer's fault? Nice world you live in. They could've helped prevent it. To prevent it they would have had to know exactly why he chose to do what he did and even then there's no guarantee it would've made any difference. Only one person, maybe two, truly know why he killed his family, and they both died that weekend. Everything said on the matter since it happened is pure speculation; some of it is more informed than the rest, but it's still speculation.
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saintpat
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Post by saintpat on Sept 14, 2017 17:47:32 GMT -5
So if you kill your family, it's your employer's fault? Nice world you live in. They could've helped prevent it. Please give us a list of things you've done that your employer could have prevented, keeping in mind that they have no idea that you were going to do them. It comes back to Benoit himself. Personal responsibility. You seem to hang on some kind of undefined "Eddie died so ... he killed his family." How do you know that had anything to do with his actions, that he wouldn't have killed them even if Eddie were still alive? And if he went into some kind of depression after Eddie died, why, in more than EIGHTEEN MONTHS after that, did he not seek professional help on his own? How is that his employer's fault? Does that extend to every murderer ever?
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 14, 2017 17:49:42 GMT -5
So if you kill your family, it's your employer's fault? Nice world you live in. They could've helped prevent it.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Sept 14, 2017 17:51:31 GMT -5
They could've helped prevent it. Please give us a list of things you've done that your employer could have prevented, keeping in mind that they have no idea that you were going to do them. It comes back to Benoit himself. Personal responsibility. You seem to hang on some kind of undefined "Eddie died so ... he killed his family." How do you know that had anything to do with his actions, that he wouldn't have killed them even if Eddie were still alive? And if he went into some kind of depression after Eddie died, why, in more than EIGHTEEN MONTHS after that, did he not seek professional help on his own? How is that his employer's fault? Does that extend to every murderer ever? Not to mention, if we're going to reduce things down to that level of oversimplification, Chavo didn't murder anybody. Neither did Rey. Neither did Hector. Nor Jericho. And they were all just as close, if not closer, to Eddie as Benoit was.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 18:25:54 GMT -5
Sorry I really hate the he lost a close friend and its the employers responsibility to talk before a homicide could happen. I lost a few friends and family members over the past few years, I cried, grieved, had to call work saying I'm not coming in, and they would do the general human comforting stuff afterwards.
Last week one of my co-workers mother went to the ER the night before and she was very distraught but insisted on working. Not me or her had any homicidal tendencies. People die, we all experience losses in some point, most people don't get homicidal tendencies and if they do and an employer knew about it chances are they wouldn't be working in said company.
If WWE knew Benoit was in a homicidal depression he wouldn't be working in the company or put in some kind of psychiatry leave or something.
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Post by lionheart21 on Sept 14, 2017 18:44:58 GMT -5
This thread really isn't going anywhere but badly, regardless of the original intentions of it. If I can make a request of the mods, this thread should probably be locked.
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