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Post by RadcapRadsley on May 9, 2018 12:36:19 GMT -5
I don't mind a Becky heel turn on the fans,I just hope she doesn't turn on Quiona
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Post by theironyuppie on May 9, 2018 12:46:48 GMT -5
At least she's not farting. VINCE: NATTIE, WE'RE BRINGING BACK YOUR FARTING GIMMICK. YOU'RE TEAMING WITH BECKY. Nattie: Why Becky? VINCE: *lights fart on fire, dies laughing* [Becky learns of this decision from an anonymous staffer and is affronted.] Becky: I don't get it, quinoa doesn't even make me that gassy, sure, a little, but not more than anyone, Becky Balboa has more fists than farts. Who's behind this? Dunn? Ace? Vince: [dramatic reveal] IT WAS ME, BECKY!
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Post by Aboutreika18 on May 9, 2018 12:53:37 GMT -5
I don't mind a Becky heel turn on the fans,I just hope she doesn't turn on Quiona Heel Becky blindsiding an opponent and then standing over them while eating a bowl of Quinoa in evil fashion needs to be done.
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Post by The Blue Nova on May 9, 2018 13:04:11 GMT -5
I highly doubt it’s anything personal, it’s just a consequence of how loaded the face side of the SmackDown women’s division actually is. You have Charlotte, the appointed ace of the division, then Asuka, who has taken one clean singles loss in nearly three years, then Naomi and Lynch. Unless they start using proper enhancement talents more regularly again (and no, Lynch doesn’t count, wisenheimers), she has ended up as the bottom face of the division seemingly by default. Her W/L record this year is about the same as most of the rest of the women in the company. Hell, it’s better than Alexa Bliss’s. But once again, the name of the game is presentation. You can go close to 50/50 and still be seen as 10/90 if that presentation goes against you. This. So much this. The big problem with Becky Lynch is less "Becky's getting berried" and more "The Smackdown face/heel divide is just too out of wack to be sustainable." The worst booking move Smackdown made last year- worse than even Jinder Mahal's title reign- was "Charlotte turns face in the Shakeup." Once that happened, the top three women on Smackdown were ALL babyfaces, and you had the problem: Yes, Becky Lynch is a good face who deserves the Women's Title. So is Naomi. So is Charlotte. BUT THERE'S ONLY ONE WOMEN'S TITLE! What- are the three of them supposed to share it? all of the heel women: Carmella, Natalya, Lana, and Tamina- varied from "good talkers who can't work" (Lana/Carmella), to "Local Woman" (Natalya), to "She is so hopeless that even calling her a Local Woman does not grasp the full Local Woman-ness of her Local Woman being. She is literally the worst person- male or female- on the roster. Even Randy Orton to Jinder Mahal wasn't "destroy the best man on the roster to prop up the worst man on the roster' was not as bad as her push was. She is so utterly worthless in the ring that daring to drop Charlotte Flair, one of the top stars in the women's division down a level, just to prop her up borderlines on WWE being sexist." (Tamina.) With levels on those, eventually Becky had to be on the backburner, because there were only three valid women, they all were faces, and they all had an equally viable case...and it was SO equal that if WWE went with Becky, then we would have gotten this post: t is really sad, how Naomi is booked on Smackdown. She is easily one of the most over females on the roster a great role model, amazing in the ring yet they never push her and always have her lose. It seems on smackdown the only females who get pushed are the good looking ones with sex appeal, Carmella, Iconics, Mandy Rose, or are members of the Four Horsewomen. I know we live in a world and society now where being good looking is more important then talent but it is crazy how they push her almost like a jobber. Naomi should be the face of smackdown. Her merchandise sells she is over with the crowd the younger kids look up to her. I guess we can thank road dogg and kevin dunn! I disagree becky is more over then Naomi
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Post by JoDaNa1281 on May 9, 2018 13:06:44 GMT -5
I think she's going to go heel this year or at least that's what they're building it up as in my eyes. Hell, Becky and Charlotte watching Becky win the SDL Women's Title the other day even further pushes the theory. Yeah, I can kinda see it...especially when she said that she felt like "the red headed stepchild" of the 4HW, plus the look on Charlotte's face while Becky was talking about it.
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Post by Reflecto on May 9, 2018 13:13:32 GMT -5
Its annoying. WWE seemingly gave Naomi a big push, even getting her to beat Alexa Bliss clean without losing in return, a feat so far only equaled by Charlotte, Asuka, and Nia. Then they pissed away what momentum they made by giving her nothing to do as champion, aside from a tedious feud with Lana. Like you, I do think this whole issue with Becky (who deserves better) is the product of such lopsided faces/heels, with a bunch of people better at talking than wrestling being opposed to the two aces of the women's division (across Raw and SDL) as well as Becky/Naomi. Assuming they don't want to turn Charlotte (interestingly--there's even a possibility that she could wind up being the face opposite Ronda if WWE decides to pursue that path). Becky's definitely a strong enough promo to make a turn work, and if they could do something later in the year like get Nikki Cross from NXT, then you'd have two strong workers on either side, and that'd easily be enough to sustain the division for a good while. The problem though is that Smackdown's women don't NEED strong workers on the heel side. We have over a year of proof for that. Again- Natalya? Even if she's fallen to Local Woman status, she's still a capable hand in the ring. The IIconics are capable in the ring. Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville are solid and have potential to be good. And before the Shakeup, Ruby Riott and Sarah Logan are incredibly solid workers. What Smackdown needed was heels who could talk. That's why Carmella, who's not good in the ring at all, exploded last year- because she's a very good promo and could make herself equal to the Smackdown faces. It's why the IIconics exploded since their debut- they're good promos. And it's why the Riott Squad failed miserably- none of them are that good a promo. I disagree becky is more over then Naomi And things like this are why I don't want Becky Lynch to get booked "well" for it- because when the response for "there's other reasons Becky couldn't get pushed, like Naomi deserved it just as much", and the response for Becky deserving it more than Naomi boils down to "Is not!", then it basically says that it goes past "Becky is underutilized" and into "nothing would ever be enough for Becky Lynch fans to accept she was pushed." The biggest problem I have with it is it feels like with Becky Lynch fans, Becky could be given the SD Women's Title for 28 years, one more than Fabulous Moolah, and Becky fans would just whine she didn't hold the title for 29 years.
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Post by Dub H on May 9, 2018 13:23:49 GMT -5
Its annoying. WWE seemingly gave Naomi a big push, even getting her to beat Alexa Bliss clean without losing in return, a feat so far only equaled by Charlotte, Asuka, and Nia. Then they pissed away what momentum they made by giving her nothing to do as champion, aside from a tedious feud with Lana. Like you, I do think this whole issue with Becky (who deserves better) is the product of such lopsided faces/heels, with a bunch of people better at talking than wrestling being opposed to the two aces of the women's division (across Raw and SDL) as well as Becky/Naomi. Assuming they don't want to turn Charlotte (interestingly--there's even a possibility that she could wind up being the face opposite Ronda if WWE decides to pursue that path). Becky's definitely a strong enough promo to make a turn work, and if they could do something later in the year like get Nikki Cross from NXT, then you'd have two strong workers on either side, and that'd easily be enough to sustain the division for a good while. The problem though is that Smackdown's women don't NEED strong workers on the heel side. We have over a year of proof for that. Again- Natalya? Even if she's fallen to Local Woman status, she's still a capable hand in the ring. The IIconics are capable in the ring. Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville are solid and have potential to be good. And before the Shakeup, Ruby Riott and Sarah Logan are incredibly solid workers. What Smackdown needed was heels who could talk. That's why Carmella, who's not good in the ring at all, exploded last year- because she's a very good promo and could make herself equal to the Smackdown faces. It's why the IIconics exploded since their debut- they're good promos. And it's why the Riott Squad failed miserably- none of them are that good a promo. I disagree becky is more over then Naomi And things like this are why I don't want Becky Lynch to get booked "well" for it- because when the response for "there's other reasons Becky couldn't get pushed, like Naomi deserved it just as much", and the response for Becky deserving it more than Naomi boils down to "Is not!", then it basically says that it goes past "Becky is underutilized" and into "nothing would ever be enough for Becky Lynch fans to accept she was pushed." The biggest problem I have with it is it feels like with Becky Lynch fans, Becky could be given the SD Women's Title for 28 years, one more than Fabulous Moolah, and Becky fans would just whine she didn't hold the title for 29 years. Stop being aggressive to Becky fans while we are trying to have a civil conversation.It is really annoying. And if anyone should be the heel is Charlotte, Naomi is not a good heel and Becky is much more relateble and cheerable as a face than Charlotte.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 13:32:40 GMT -5
Its annoying. WWE seemingly gave Naomi a big push, even getting her to beat Alexa Bliss clean without losing in return, a feat so far only equaled by Charlotte, Asuka, and Nia. Then they pissed away what momentum they made by giving her nothing to do as champion, aside from a tedious feud with Lana. Like you, I do think this whole issue with Becky (who deserves better) is the product of such lopsided faces/heels, with a bunch of people better at talking than wrestling being opposed to the two aces of the women's division (across Raw and SDL) as well as Becky/Naomi. Assuming they don't want to turn Charlotte (interestingly--there's even a possibility that she could wind up being the face opposite Ronda if WWE decides to pursue that path). Becky's definitely a strong enough promo to make a turn work, and if they could do something later in the year like get Nikki Cross from NXT, then you'd have two strong workers on either side, and that'd easily be enough to sustain the division for a good while. The problem though is that Smackdown's women don't NEED strong workers on the heel side. We have over a year of proof for that. Again- Natalya? Even if she's fallen to Local Woman status, she's still a capable hand in the ring. The IIconics are capable in the ring. Mandy Rose and Sonya Deville are solid and have potential to be good. And before the Shakeup, Ruby Riott and Sarah Logan are incredibly solid workers. What Smackdown needed was heels who could talk. That's why Carmella, who's not good in the ring at all, exploded last year- because she's a very good promo and could make herself equal to the Smackdown faces. It's why the IIconics exploded since their debut- they're good promos. And it's why the Riott Squad failed miserably- none of them are that good a promo. I disagree becky is more over then Naomi And things like this are why I don't want Becky Lynch to get booked "well" for it- because when the response for "there's other reasons Becky couldn't get pushed, like Naomi deserved it just as much", and the response for Becky deserving it more than Naomi boils down to "Is not!", then it basically says that it goes past "Becky is underutilized" and into "nothing would ever be enough for Becky Lynch fans to accept she was pushed." The biggest problem I have with it is it feels like with Becky Lynch fans, Becky could be given the SD Women's Title for 28 years, one more than Fabulous Moolah, and Becky fans would just whine she didn't hold the title for 29 years. So you disagree that Becky is more over than Naomi? Because I think Becky is more over than Naomi, has a more complete character, and is better in the ring. Boil that down any way you want to I suppose. Becky has held a woman's title once in her WWE career. I don't even understand where your last statements are coming from. I'm fairly sure the people saying "she is underutilized" mean simply that. Can you please explain where fans said a Moolah esque reign wouldn't be enough because as of right now this seems like one of the biggest cases of putting words into someone else's mouth I've ever seen on this forum.
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Post by schma on May 9, 2018 13:33:19 GMT -5
Becky really has been underutilized this past year. She went from the face of the division, first ever champ to Charlotte's friend. I think most agree that Becky is fantastic but one of the things that seems to hurt a lot of women in the Smackdown setting is the tendency they've developed to rely on multiperson matches. We need to get back to more one on one so that it isn't just a champ watching the rest of the women do stuff which happened more than it should this past year.
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Post by Pushed to the Moon on May 9, 2018 13:44:06 GMT -5
Of all the reasons Becky might not be getting pushed, her looks have to be the LAST reason. She's not even only hot in an "internet nerds might think she's attainable!" way. Surely everyone thinks she's really, really good looking. I'm more inclined to believe a weird "too Irish!" reason than her appearance.
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Post by Dave the Dave on May 9, 2018 13:45:09 GMT -5
Mandy Rose one a match. It’s not the end of the world.
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Post by hbkid718 on May 9, 2018 14:32:35 GMT -5
And they made a big deal that Becky was in a slump. She's not. She lost 1 match. She was on the winning side of the 6-Woman Tag last week.
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Post by TheDieselTrain on May 9, 2018 14:36:24 GMT -5
I may have to actually read the whole thread when i get some time but are people saying Becky DOESN'T have sex appeal??
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 17:54:16 GMT -5
All of this is just going to make the 8 year title reign even sweeter.
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Post by Prince Petty on May 9, 2018 18:35:06 GMT -5
It's crap, put simply. The WWE aren't interested in pushing her because she doesn't have a famous relative, and either Vince doesn't think she's attractive, or someone doesn't like that her voice is a little deeper than a lot of women. She comes out, gets cheered (no matter how the writers treat her) and loses. Or wins a tag match. Or loses. And none of it makes a difference. Any character work is done by her on social media, with the probably disinterested permission of the WWE.
Clearly, I'm a big fan of her. I think she's the most all-round talented woman on the roster, and she has that 'It' factor that fans respond to. She's one of the better in-ring workers, she has a strong personality, is a natural talker (even if she says lame stuff sometimes... but that's part of her character), she has a great look, and she is stunningly attractive. But it's not unusual for the WWE to be so blind to that. Look at Rusev, look at Bryan a few years ago, look at Wade Barrett when he was getting big pops. None of them were deemed to matter, so they were ignored or sabotaged.
She's probably going to turn heel, but not because there's a big plan for her, just because this is what the WWE does with most of its wrestlers after a while. 'Eh, we've got no ideas for this one... heel turn?' She'll still probably get more cheers than most of the women, and maybe she'll get to lose on on a few PPVs to Charlotte or Asuka, instead of losing on TV to the women who are going to then lose to Charlotte or Asuka on PPV.
The weird thing is, she was off TV for a while because she was filming the latest Marine movie, so someone in the company sees value in her. Not that making a WWE movie means much of anything, of course, but choosing her over Sasha or Alexa or Mandy Rose is odd, given the way they treat her on Smackdown.
It's just very frustrating, being a fan of her. Especially when you're also a fan of Rusev and Sami Zayn.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2018 18:42:04 GMT -5
I think it's mostly that WWE's womens divisions respectively have one title each, and WWE are really bad at giving wrestlers reasons to fight that don't revolve around the title, and since their title feuds always tend to have, like, a 3 month minimum, that leaves a lot of time for the women on the sidelines to wait their turn.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 9, 2018 19:03:51 GMT -5
Wasn't there a rumor that Kevin Dunn hated her accent? I know he hated Sheamus' accent so it wouldn't surprise me.
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Post by Cela on May 9, 2018 19:37:22 GMT -5
She has the unfortunate issue of not being related to anyone.
Becky should be the face of the division, but nepotism is a mighty beast. Maybe she should rip off a DC character to get the Alexa push.
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Post by Dub H on May 9, 2018 20:01:32 GMT -5
I think it's mostly that WWE's womens divisions respectively have one title each, and WWE are really bad at giving wrestlers reasons to fight that don't revolve around the title, and since their title feuds always tend to have, like, a 3 month minimum, that leaves a lot of time for the women on the sidelines to wait their turn. Except Alexa and Charlotte never have to wait.
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Post by SparkyPlugg on May 9, 2018 20:22:41 GMT -5
Becky vs Sasha at NXT Takeover Unstoppable was by far my favourite women’s match of all time. I’d love to see Becky get the run she deserves, against a heel Sasha.
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