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Post by Slingshot Suplay on May 10, 2018 16:34:22 GMT -5
They need to bring in her older sister, Claire, to manage her.
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Post by Reflecto on May 10, 2018 17:20:22 GMT -5
Okay, I do disagree for a few reasons to why I claim it's a push: 1- Becky is very over. So is Naomi. Becky has the Horsewomen overness, Naomi has the Total Divas overness, it's a push there. And in addition, this is also where demographics come into play as well: even if Becky is slightly more over, it's counteracted by Naomi being an African-American woman and giving a capable black woman at the top of the division as well. It's a push. 2- Becky has a complete character of "she wears steampunk and is a really nice person." Naomi has a complete character of "She likes dressing in glow in the dark things and is a really nice person." Again, it's a push. 3- Becky is better in the ring. Naomi is no slouch in the ring, but even if Becky is better on paper, Naomi is easier to WORK WITH which counteracts it. Becky Lynch's biggest weakness is that she can't wrestle down to her opponent and tries to make her opponents do the same super-advanced matches and spots that the Horsewomen can do...which makes great matches against women like the Horsewomen, but only makes embarrassingly bad matches against less-talented opponents. By contrast, Naomi isn't as good in the ring, which means she can have watchable matches against lesser talent and wrestle to their talent more. 4- Becky has held a woman's title once in her WWE career. For all intents and purposes, so did Naomi with only one sustained women's title reign (even if it was "technically" two reigns due to injury/booking problems for heel heat to Alexa Bliss...come on.) But the difference: Naomi debuted on WWE television in 2010 with NXT 3. It took Naomi SEVEN YEARS to get that sustained women's title reign. Becky Lynch just got promoted three years ago and won the title in her second year of WWE existence, PLUS unlike Naomi with the 'well, it's technically two title reigns' thing, Becky Lynch got to keep the title during her injury. Becky and Naomi is a push. They're both as deserving as each other, they were both as underutilized as each other, and they both are equally worthy of the Smackdown women's title. Ok that's fine those are your opinions and there's nothing wrong with that. Why did you feel the need to attack Lynch fans in your previous post instead of just stating your side like you did with this post? It felt really unnecessary. Because of the fact that: As you saw, I gave a number of reasons for why I claim Becky Lynch and Naomi were equally deserving of this big push. By contrast, the reasons for why Becky is more deserving than Naomi: I disagree becky is more over then Naomi By contrast, the person I was responding to couldn't even give an argument for why Becky was so much more deserving than Naomi, why she was so much more deserving of getting this big run than Naomi was. The entire argument boiled down to "Is not!". And that seems to happen far more than it seems, wherever I go with Becky Lynch fans. I like Becky Lynch's in-ring ability and charisma, but it's things like that that make me HATE Becky Lynch.
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 10, 2018 17:53:50 GMT -5
Ok that's fine those are your opinions and there's nothing wrong with that. Why did you feel the need to attack Lynch fans in your previous post instead of just stating your side like you did with this post? It felt really unnecessary. Because of the fact that: As you saw, I gave a number of reasons for why I claim Becky Lynch and Naomi were equally deserving of this big push. By contrast, the reasons for why Becky is more deserving than Naomi: I disagree becky is more over then Naomi By contrast, the person I was responding to couldn't even give an argument for why Becky was so much more deserving than Naomi, why she was so much more deserving of getting this big run than Naomi was. The entire argument boiled down to "Is not!". And that seems to happen far more than it seems, wherever I go with Becky Lynch fans. I like Becky Lynch's in-ring ability and charisma, but it's things like that that make me HATE Becky Lynch. Sounds like a personal problem because not evryone wants to write paragraphs about why they feel the way they feel, a problem that you then use to attack posters over because they disagree with you. Like, why care so much?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 18:04:17 GMT -5
Ok that's fine those are your opinions and there's nothing wrong with that. Why did you feel the need to attack Lynch fans in your previous post instead of just stating your side like you did with this post? It felt really unnecessary. Because of the fact that: As you saw, I gave a number of reasons for why I claim Becky Lynch and Naomi were equally deserving of this big push. By contrast, the reasons for why Becky is more deserving than Naomi: I disagree becky is more over then Naomi By contrast, the person I was responding to couldn't even give an argument for why Becky was so much more deserving than Naomi, why she was so much more deserving of getting this big run than Naomi was. The entire argument boiled down to "Is not!". And that seems to happen far more than it seems, wherever I go with Becky Lynch fans. I like Becky Lynch's in-ring ability and charisma, but it's things like that that make me HATE Becky Lynch. I'm still struggling to follow your logic. Someone stated that they didn't think Naomi was more over than Lynch and you decided that nothing would please Lynch fans. It seems really extreme. I honestly think you really like Naomi and it's clouding your judgment a bit. Naomi has had more opportunities than Lynch since both went to Smackdown and since some people believe Lynch is better they believe those opportunities should have gone to Lynch. You decided to infer that Lynch could have a Moolah type reign and fans would still be upset which, again, seems really extreme. Now you can believe Naomi is better. That is an opinion based thing and it is completely fine but you need to realize that other people will have different opinions and them having those opinions doesn't mean you can attack them or others who agree with them. Even if they don't give as long of an answer or reason as you do. I'm sorry if any of this comes off as condescending I really don't mean it to.
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Post by Reflecto on May 10, 2018 18:14:42 GMT -5
I'm still struggling to follow your logic. Someone stated that they didn't think Naomi was more over than Lynch and you decided that nothing would please Lynch fans. It seems really extreme. I honestly think you really like Naomi and it's clouding your judgment a bit. Naomi has had more opportunities than Lynch since both went to Smackdown and since some people believe Lynch is better they believe those opportunities should have gone to Lynch. You decided to infer that Lynch could have a Moolah type reign and fans would still be upset which, again, seems really extreme. Now you can believe Naomi is better. That is an opinion based thing and it is completely fine but you need to realize that other people will have different opinions and them having those opinions doesn't mean you can attack them or others who agree with them. Even if they don't give as long of an answer or reason as you do. I'm sorry if any of this comes off as condescending I really don't mean it to. Honestly, that's the thing: I'm not even that big a Naomi fan. I can take or leave her. Hell, I'd even consider myself to prefer Becky to Naomi myself- but I can at least admit that it's equal. But the point is that for most of this, and the reason it pisses me off so much that it wasn't as long of an answer- is that it's not about Becky Lynch. It's about how all of these big reasons that they deserve to be the star of the show, all these claims that this is conclusively the reason that they NEED to be the star of and the fact they're not the belle of the ball and that WWE booking isn't "ALL GLORY TO MY FAVORITE" boils down to "I just mark out for them. I just like them, I'm just a mark for them, and so I really don't care if it'd be best for business or even if anyone else in the whole wide world would like to see it happen- I just mark out for them and even if it's a terrible decision, at least it would make me happy and that's all I care about." I can GET THAT. That's perfectly acceptable. But at least just SAY IT and say I don't give a damn if it's a good decision, it'll make me happy and that's all I care about. Don't come with this "Well, this is clearly the best booking decision possible, if it happened it would be a new boom period instantly and you'd have 100% of fans ecstatic about it, and the very fact it didn't happen is proof that the only thing that overtakes Vince's hatred of money is his love of making the WWE Universe's lives just a little bit more miserable" stuff when it's basically your opinion. Maybe it IS my opinion Naomi deserves it more than Becky- which I never said, I said it was equal. But maybe it's your opinion Becky deserves it more than Naomi, or Charlotte, or hell, any woman on Smackdown for that matter. So what makes your opinion right and mine wrong?
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Post by Mister Pigwell on May 10, 2018 18:20:21 GMT -5
I'm still struggling to follow your logic. Someone stated that they didn't think Naomi was more over than Lynch and you decided that nothing would please Lynch fans. It seems really extreme. I honestly think you really like Naomi and it's clouding your judgment a bit. Naomi has had more opportunities than Lynch since both went to Smackdown and since some people believe Lynch is better they believe those opportunities should have gone to Lynch. You decided to infer that Lynch could have a Moolah type reign and fans would still be upset which, again, seems really extreme. Now you can believe Naomi is better. That is an opinion based thing and it is completely fine but you need to realize that other people will have different opinions and them having those opinions doesn't mean you can attack them or others who agree with them. Even if they don't give as long of an answer or reason as you do. I'm sorry if any of this comes off as condescending I really don't mean it to. Honestly, that's the thing: I'm not even that big a Naomi fan. I can take or leave her. Hell, I'd even consider myself to prefer Becky to Naomi myself- but I can at least admit that it's equal. But the point is that for most of this, and the reason it pisses me off so much that it wasn't as long of an answer- is that it's not about Becky Lynch. It's about how all of these big reasons that they deserve to be the star of the show, all these claims that this is conclusively the reason that they NEED to be the star of and the fact they're not the belle of the ball and that WWE booking isn't "ALL GLORY TO MY FAVORITE" boils down to "I just mark out for them. I just like them, I'm just a mark for them, and so I really don't care if it'd be best for business or even if anyone else in the whole wide world would like to see it happen- I just mark out for them and even if it's a terrible decision, at least it would make me happy and that's all I care about." I can GET THAT. That's perfectly acceptable. But at least just SAY IT and say I don't give a damn if it's a good decision, it'll make me happy and that's all I care about. Don't come with this "Well, this is clearly the best booking decision possible, if it happened it would be a new boom period instantly and you'd have 100% of fans ecstatic about it, and the very fact it didn't happen is proof that the only thing that overtakes Vince's hatred of money is his love of making the WWE Universe's lives just a little bit more miserable" stuff when it's basically your opinion. Maybe it IS my opinion Naomi deserves it more than Becky- which I never said, I said it was equal. But maybe it's your opinion Becky deserves it more than Naomi, or Charlotte, or hell, any woman on Smackdown for that matter. So what makes your opinion right and mine wrong? Nothing. That's why it's an opinion. Something you're freaking out over because people have a diffferent one than you. As one of the more negative forces on this board, there's a small handful of you known for it here, you complain an awful lot about being not being allowed your opinion and get up in arms when people get on you. That's fair. But here you are with the same thing on other people. So like, what the hell do you want out of this community? Just to never see anything that goes against your opinions ever?
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 18:29:02 GMT -5
I'm still struggling to follow your logic. Someone stated that they didn't think Naomi was more over than Lynch and you decided that nothing would please Lynch fans. It seems really extreme. I honestly think you really like Naomi and it's clouding your judgment a bit. Naomi has had more opportunities than Lynch since both went to Smackdown and since some people believe Lynch is better they believe those opportunities should have gone to Lynch. You decided to infer that Lynch could have a Moolah type reign and fans would still be upset which, again, seems really extreme. Now you can believe Naomi is better. That is an opinion based thing and it is completely fine but you need to realize that other people will have different opinions and them having those opinions doesn't mean you can attack them or others who agree with them. Even if they don't give as long of an answer or reason as you do. I'm sorry if any of this comes off as condescending I really don't mean it to. Honestly, that's the thing: I'm not even that big a Naomi fan. I can take or leave her. Hell, I'd even consider myself to prefer Becky to Naomi myself- but I can at least admit that it's equal. But the point is that for most of this, and the reason it pisses me off so much that it wasn't as long of an answer- is that it's not about Becky Lynch. It's about how all of these big reasons that they deserve to be the star of the show, all these claims that this is conclusively the reason that they NEED to be the star of and the fact they're not the belle of the ball and that WWE booking isn't "ALL GLORY TO MY FAVORITE" boils down to "I just mark out for them. I just like them, I'm just a mark for them, and so I really don't care if it'd be best for business or even if anyone else in the whole wide world would like to see it happen- I just mark out for them and even if it's a terrible decision, at least it would make me happy and that's all I care about." I can GET THAT. That's perfectly acceptable. But at least just SAY IT and say I don't give a damn if it's a good decision, it'll make me happy and that's all I care about. Don't come with this "Well, this is clearly the best booking decision possible, if it happened it would be a new boom period instantly and you'd have 100% of fans ecstatic about it, and the very fact it didn't happen is proof that the only thing that overtakes Vince's hatred of money is his love of making the WWE Universe's lives just a little bit more miserable" stuff when it's basically your opinion. Maybe it IS my opinion Naomi deserves it more than Becky- which I never said, I said it was equal. But maybe it's your opinion Becky deserves it more than Naomi, or Charlotte, or hell, any woman on Smackdown for that matter. So what makes your opinion right and mine wrong? So first of all, I'm still struggling to see the justification in attacking a fan base and belittling their opinions. Second of all people are free to use any justification for their opinions they want. You don't have to like it but you don't need to attack a fan base for one fan opinion/justification for that opinion. I also feel like you're being quite extreme (again) as I feel like giving Lynch more of a push would probably land somewhere between new boom period and terrible decision. I have never said you cannot have your opinion. You, on the other hand, have attacked people for theirs. If you know that their opinion is just their opinion then why do you dwell on their justification to the point that you feel justified to attack a fan base?
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Post by fw91 on May 10, 2018 20:38:03 GMT -5
In the end, aren't all the woman booked the same? To eventually lose to Charlotte.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2018 22:27:15 GMT -5
They probably should add some sex appeal to her act. Outside of what we see of her on TV, she seems to be a charming person with tons of sex appeal but for whatever reasons, we don't see that on TV. Maybe they want her to stick to her current character-less person whatever. She could come out dressed as Barney the Dinosaur and I'd find her attractive, but I think her current gear showing off the lass cheeks (wish I could take credit for it) is an attempt at reminding everyone "HEY, I'M HOT TOO!"
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Post by benstudd on May 11, 2018 9:27:32 GMT -5
They probably should add some sex appeal to her act. Outside of what we see of her on TV, she seems to be a charming person with tons of sex appeal but for whatever reasons, we don't see that on TV. Maybe they want her to stick to her current character-less person whatever. She could come out dressed as Barney the Dinosaur and I'd find her attractive, but I think her current gear showing off the lass cheeks (wish I could take credit for it) is an attempt at reminding everyone "HEY, I'M HOT TOO!"
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Post by prettynami on May 11, 2018 14:56:57 GMT -5
I don't know about other people, but in my opinion just having a story (assuming the Mandy Rose match goes anywhere, and it probably won't with the WWE's inability to pursue feuds outside of titles without getting distracted and forgetting about them) is better than what she was doing. I wish the prospects for a story involving Becky were better than losing streak garbage but for what seems like forever Becky has only been the backup to whoever is the current top face defending/pursuing the title and relegated to being in stuff like 6-woman tags. Maybe, just maybe, she can actually get an angle out of this and actually show more personality on the TV and claw her way back into main events for the women's title. They have to find a way to keep these women relevant when they aren't in the title matches/feud if they want people to care when they finally do challenge for titles, and it would help if they, the WWE, actually seemed to care what goes on lower down the card.
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Post by Aboutreika18 on May 11, 2018 20:39:51 GMT -5
They probably should add some sex appeal to her act. Outside of what we see of her on TV, she seems to be a charming person with tons of sex appeal but for whatever reasons, we don't see that on TV. Maybe they want her to stick to her current character-less person whatever. She could come out dressed as Barney the Dinosaur and I'd find her attractive, but I think her current gear showing off the lass cheeks (wish I could take credit for it) is an attempt at reminding everyone "HEY, I'M HOT TOO!" #FreeBeckysAbs But seriously, a lot of the time I've found her ring gear and overall presentation to be pretty lame. With someone like Charlotte they go well over the top in presenting her as something much bigger than she actually is, whereas the likes of Becky and Bayley are just seen as likeable goobers.
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Post by cabbageboy on May 11, 2018 22:43:08 GMT -5
If I was booking WWE I'd probably scale back the women's stuff a ton and Becky would be my champion of the division. She really could be this generation's Trish. She's hot, over with the fans, decent enough as a wrestler. She's good enough to not make a fool of herself but not so amazing as to take attention from the men's matches.
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Post by schma on May 12, 2018 0:13:22 GMT -5
If I was booking WWE I'd probably scale back the women's stuff a ton and Becky would be my champion of the division. She really could be this generation's Trish. She's hot, over with the fans, decent enough as a wrestler. She's good enough to not make a fool of herself but not so amazing as to take attention from the men's matches. If they're good enough to take attention from the men's matches I'd say that's a plus. It takes a lot for the women to truly get a fair shake in the wrestling business so them taking attention away would mean they're doing a damn good job.
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Post by Dave the Dave on May 16, 2018 12:00:41 GMT -5
Guess now that you can see her butt like most the other girls she gets to be in MITB huh?
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2018 13:26:03 GMT -5
BECKY'S GOING TO MONEY IN THE BANK BABY WOO!!!!!!!!!
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