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Post by hotshotalex on Aug 30, 2018 12:15:35 GMT -5
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 30, 2018 12:22:06 GMT -5
13 and up. Izzy's 12 for a start. Plus this is a training program, not a match. Not knowing much about it, Booker T has been around long enough to know the dangers, so I'd hope it'd mostly be fitness, a few amateur drills, if there is bumping it'd only be very limited and on big crash pads not the actual ring etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 13:10:09 GMT -5
I know for facts Bayley, Sasha, Charlotte, Becky and more are on a first name basis with the parents. I wonder if they will reach out to them and speak out against this? Maybe they support her. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 13:22:50 GMT -5
Someone also gave the stupid example off Terry Gordy and Rey Mysterio. Gordy died at forty and Rey is forty three and has suffered several knee surgeries. Yeah, such stupid examples. Two of the best in-ring performers of their generations, each with over 25 year long careers, wrestling around the globe. Gordy died because of drugs, which is rampant in pro wrestling whether the guys started young or started old. It's the lifestyle. But if we're being exact, Gordy screwed himself up because of overdosing on a lengthy flight to the other side of the world, where he made it a habit of knocking himself out rather than being awake for that long of a period of time, because he hated flying. It had nothing to do with when he did or didn't start wrestling. If anything, he was a better wrestler during his prime than he would have been had he not trained when he was 13 years old, and started regularly wrestling every night when he was 14. He had more experience at a young age, so he was working like a veteran would when he was 19. Rey Jr. has had knee surgeries because he chose to do a high impact, high risk style for 25 years. Not because he somehow screwed up his body by wrestling at a young age. He is one of the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) performers currently accepting independent wrestling dates around the world (making over $15,000 for each night's work lately, if not more when appearing on bigger shows for major companies in front of larger audiences), he's one of the headliners at All In this weekend, and is going to be doing more work for WWE coming up, because he's still a star. You can disagree with the idea of this girl training for and having one match on an indie show at age 12 all you want. It's your right to disagree on that subject. But to say Terry Gordy and Rey Jr. are somehow poor examples of guys who started young and became worldwide stars, with lengthy careers is absolutely incorrect. |
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Post by abjordans on Aug 30, 2018 15:32:52 GMT -5
13 and up. Izzy's 12 for a start. Plus this is a training program, not a match. Not knowing much about it, Booker T has been around long enough to know the dangers, so I'd hope it'd mostly be fitness, a few amateur drills, if there is bumping it'd only be very limited and on big crash pads not the actual ring etc. Izzy is 11 |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 30, 2018 15:48:49 GMT -5
Someone also gave the stupid example off Terry Gordy and Rey Mysterio. Gordy died at forty and Rey is forty three and has suffered several knee surgeries. Yeah, such stupid examples. Two of the best in-ring performers of their generations, each with over 25 year long careers, wrestling around the globe. Gordy died because of drugs, which is rampant in pro wrestling whether the guys started young or started old. It's the lifestyle. But if we're being exact, Gordy screwed himself up because of overdosing on a lengthy flight to the other side of the world, where he made it a habit of knocking himself out rather than being awake for that long of a period of time, because he hated flying. It had nothing to do with when he did or didn't start wrestling. If anything, he was a better wrestler during his prime than he would have been had he not trained when he was 13 years old, and started regularly wrestling every night when he was 14. He had more experience at a young age, so he was working like a veteran would when he was 19. Rey Jr. has had knee surgeries because he chose to do a high impact, high risk style for 25 years. Not because he somehow screwed up his body by wrestling at a young age. He is one of the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) performers currently accepting independent wrestling dates around the world (making over $15,000 for each night's work lately, if not more when appearing on bigger shows for major companies in front of larger audiences), he's one of the headliners at All In this weekend, and is going to be doing more work for WWE coming up, because he's still a star. You can disagree with the idea of this girl training for and having one match on an indie show at age 12 all you want. It's your right to disagree on that subject. But to say Terry Gordy and Rey Jr. are somehow poor examples of guys who started young and became worldwide stars, with lengthy careers is absolutely incorrect. Swing and a miss. |
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Aug 30, 2018 15:51:40 GMT -5
13 and up. Izzy's 12 for a start. Plus this is a training program, not a match. Not knowing much about it, Booker T has been around long enough to know the dangers, so I'd hope it'd mostly be fitness, a few amateur drills, if there is bumping it'd only be very limited and on big crash pads not the actual ring etc. Izzy is 11 Thanks for the correction.  |
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Post by OVO 40 hunched over like he 80 on Aug 30, 2018 19:09:48 GMT -5
Someone also gave the stupid example off Terry Gordy and Rey Mysterio. Gordy died at forty and Rey is forty three and has suffered several knee surgeries. Yeah, such stupid examples. Two of the best in-ring performers of their generations, each with over 25 year long careers, wrestling around the globe. Gordy died because of drugs, which is rampant in pro wrestling whether the guys started young or started old. It's the lifestyle. But if we're being exact, Gordy screwed himself up because of overdosing on a lengthy flight to the other side of the world, where he made it a habit of knocking himself out rather than being awake for that long of a period of time, because he hated flying. It had nothing to do with when he did or didn't start wrestling. If anything, he was a better wrestler during his prime than he would have been had he not trained when he was 13 years old, and started regularly wrestling every night when he was 14. He had more experience at a young age, so he was working like a veteran would when he was 19. Rey Jr. has had knee surgeries because he chose to do a high impact, high risk style for 25 years. Not because he somehow screwed up his body by wrestling at a young age. He is one of the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) performers currently accepting independent wrestling dates around the world (making over $15,000 for each night's work lately, if not more when appearing on bigger shows for major companies in front of larger audiences), he's one of the headliners at All In this weekend, and is going to be doing more work for WWE coming up, because he's still a star. You can disagree with the idea of this girl training for and having one match on an indie show at age 12 all you want. It's your right to disagree on that subject. But to say Terry Gordy and Rey Jr. are somehow poor examples of guys who started young and became worldwide stars, with lengthy careers is absolutely incorrect. Lengthy careers? Gordy croaked at forty. |
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Post by Starshine on Aug 30, 2018 19:21:39 GMT -5
Someone also gave the stupid example off Terry Gordy and Rey Mysterio. Gordy died at forty and Rey is forty three and has suffered several knee surgeries. Yeah, such stupid examples. Two of the best in-ring performers of their generations, each with over 25 year long careers, wrestling around the globe. Gordy died because of drugs, which is rampant in pro wrestling whether the guys started young or started old. It's the lifestyle. But if we're being exact, Gordy screwed himself up because of overdosing on a lengthy flight to the other side of the world, where he made it a habit of knocking himself out rather than being awake for that long of a period of time, because he hated flying. It had nothing to do with when he did or didn't start wrestling. If anything, he was a better wrestler during his prime than he would have been had he not trained when he was 13 years old, and started regularly wrestling every night when he was 14. He had more experience at a young age, so he was working like a veteran would when he was 19. Rey Jr. has had knee surgeries because he chose to do a high impact, high risk style for 25 years. Not because he somehow screwed up his body by wrestling at a young age. He is one of the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) performers currently accepting independent wrestling dates around the world (making over $15,000 for each night's work lately, if not more when appearing on bigger shows for major companies in front of larger audiences), he's one of the headliners at All In this weekend, and is going to be doing more work for WWE coming up, because he's still a star. You can disagree with the idea of this girl training for and having one match on an indie show at age 12 all you want. It's your right to disagree on that subject. But to say Terry Gordy and Rey Jr. are somehow poor examples of guys who started young and became worldwide stars, with lengthy careers is absolutely incorrect. But they aren't. These are people who went on into middle age with seriously physical issues... like being dead for instance. Gordy suffered brain damage from overdosing on pain meds. He wasn't just taking sleeping pills to knock himself out like most uneasy travelers. So you cannot say his issues had nothing to do with the job. As for Rey Mysterio, I'll let them an speak for himself. Remember, he's talking about back when he was 17. Should we ever really believe a 12 year old has the cognitive skill to understand what she might be risking by doing this sort of stuff to her body? www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2011/0714/541740/rey-mysterio/What really concerns me is there isn't a responsible adult in the room with Izzy to help guide her in a healthy direction. Everyone around is looking at her as some sort of cash cow. |
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Post by lildude8218 on Aug 30, 2018 21:00:37 GMT -5
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Post by xCompackx on Aug 30, 2018 21:20:42 GMT -5
Yeah so, everything about this is sleazy as f***. I mean, I'm not saying kids can't have a minor role similar to Nicholas, but holy f***ing shit do you ever cross the line into stupidity when you start allowing a 12 year old girl to take chokeslams. And it's not Izzy's fault; there's probably many people behind this who should understand the dangers involved and those people are the ones who are to blame here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 21:23:30 GMT -5
Yeah, such stupid examples. Two of the best in-ring performers of their generations, each with over 25 year long careers, wrestling around the globe. Gordy died because of drugs, which is rampant in pro wrestling whether the guys started young or started old. It's the lifestyle. But if we're being exact, Gordy screwed himself up because of overdosing on a lengthy flight to the other side of the world, where he made it a habit of knocking himself out rather than being awake for that long of a period of time, because he hated flying. It had nothing to do with when he did or didn't start wrestling. If anything, he was a better wrestler during his prime than he would have been had he not trained when he was 13 years old, and started regularly wrestling every night when he was 14. He had more experience at a young age, so he was working like a veteran would when he was 19. Rey Jr. has had knee surgeries because he chose to do a high impact, high risk style for 25 years. Not because he somehow screwed up his body by wrestling at a young age. He is one of the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) performers currently accepting independent wrestling dates around the world (making over $15,000 for each night's work lately, if not more when appearing on bigger shows for major companies in front of larger audiences), he's one of the headliners at All In this weekend, and is going to be doing more work for WWE coming up, because he's still a star. You can disagree with the idea of this girl training for and having one match on an indie show at age 12 all you want. It's your right to disagree on that subject. But to say Terry Gordy and Rey Jr. are somehow poor examples of guys who started young and became worldwide stars, with lengthy careers is absolutely incorrect. Swing and a miss. Yeah. Terry Gordy and Rey Jr. had no careers. Weren't good workers. Never made money in the wrestling business. Were ruined due to wrestling at a young age. Sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 21:24:44 GMT -5
Yeah, such stupid examples. Two of the best in-ring performers of their generations, each with over 25 year long careers, wrestling around the globe. Gordy died because of drugs, which is rampant in pro wrestling whether the guys started young or started old. It's the lifestyle. But if we're being exact, Gordy screwed himself up because of overdosing on a lengthy flight to the other side of the world, where he made it a habit of knocking himself out rather than being awake for that long of a period of time, because he hated flying. It had nothing to do with when he did or didn't start wrestling. If anything, he was a better wrestler during his prime than he would have been had he not trained when he was 13 years old, and started regularly wrestling every night when he was 14. He had more experience at a young age, so he was working like a veteran would when he was 19. Rey Jr. has had knee surgeries because he chose to do a high impact, high risk style for 25 years. Not because he somehow screwed up his body by wrestling at a young age. He is one of the highest paid (if not THE highest paid) performers currently accepting independent wrestling dates around the world (making over $15,000 for each night's work lately, if not more when appearing on bigger shows for major companies in front of larger audiences), he's one of the headliners at All In this weekend, and is going to be doing more work for WWE coming up, because he's still a star. You can disagree with the idea of this girl training for and having one match on an indie show at age 12 all you want. It's your right to disagree on that subject. But to say Terry Gordy and Rey Jr. are somehow poor examples of guys who started young and became worldwide stars, with lengthy careers is absolutely incorrect. Lengthy careers? Gordy croaked at forty. Yes, 25 years is a lengthy career for a professional wrestler. |
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Post by Natural Born Farmer on Aug 30, 2018 21:39:09 GMT -5
Yeah. Terry Gordy and Rey Jr. had no careers. Weren't good workers. Never made money in the wrestling business. Were ruined due to wrestling at a young age. Sure. 3 out of 4. Unfortunately that’s the most salient point. |
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Post by Captain & Diet on Aug 30, 2018 22:31:59 GMT -5
Cuts a better promo than at least half the WWE roster and almost everyone in developmental.
Nice work!
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Aug 31, 2018 2:56:58 GMT -5
I was ok with this until I saw her parents act like total f***heads on twitter.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Aug 31, 2018 11:30:46 GMT -5
My view on it is, my friends and I used to do stupid stunts when we were even younger than her. It’s not new. But adults portraying it as entertainment is another thing entirely.
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Post by Captain Stud Muffin (BLM) on Aug 31, 2018 11:34:51 GMT -5
People are def taking advantage of this which is a shame
She's a little girl and shouldn't be taking bumps in the ring especially before she is able to develop into an adult body
If people want to train her and all that sure that's great it will come in great use at age 16-18 if she wants to do some things outside of school but even then that's still young
Just feels like they are exploiting the girl
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 31, 2018 13:29:03 GMT -5
If Izzy was doing wrestling moves with her friends on a trampoline and putting it on Youtube the tenor of this thread would be very different but there's fundamentally no way to divorce what's happening here, whether you think it's okay or not, from the fact that some kid's being exploited because WWE acknowledged her a few times and people in wrestling are like f***ing vultures.
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Post by thetower52 on Aug 31, 2018 15:11:40 GMT -5
If Izzy was doing wrestling moves with her friends on a trampoline and putting it on Youtube the tenor of this thread would be very different but there's fundamentally no way to divorce what's happening here, whether you think it's okay or not, from the fact that some kid's being exploited because WWE acknowledged her a few times and people in wrestling are like f***ing vultures. I mean of course if it was her friends and on a trampoline it be different. They would be her size and a trampoline feels nothing like the hard wood and steel of a wrestling ring. God for bid they are in a shitty ring to because that can f*** someone up even more |
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