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Post by Tea & Crumpets on Aug 28, 2018 1:28:59 GMT -5
Roman's "over" is the modern version of a Conway Pop or X-Pac Heat. Is this the part where we make up terms because Roman isn't what you think a top guy should be? The highest merch seller in the company is not "X-Pac Heat." Theres a severe level of delusion concerning Roman here. While I agree the merch sales give WWE a solid out, it's easier to sell merchandise when your merchandise is the most heavily promoted and has a wider variety than other guys. Because that's kind of how merch works. You have somebody's stuff better promoted, more easily available and with a wider choice of items, it'll probably sell better. The same happened to a degree with Cena (who was still more popular generally), he has shitloads more merch that's promoted more so more people are gonna buy it. But when someone like Punk briefly eclipsed him in sales, did their booking change much? Not really. If an actually popular guy got the promotion and backing Reigns has, I'd expect them to sell more. Because they're yknow. Popular. And I don't hate Roman as a performer. It's just painfully apparent he shouldn't be even close to the #1 guy.
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Post by Fade on Aug 28, 2018 1:29:20 GMT -5
Tidbit: romans favorite TNA ppv was "Sacrifice" And based how he's pushing Roman, Vince's must be, "Against All Odds." One might say Vince has balls that are great and also perhaps engulfed in flames.
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Post by Rave on Aug 28, 2018 1:29:53 GMT -5
There's no question he sells merch. Everyone sells merch. The question is the ranking. If there's some side item on wweshop like keychains, dog collars and stuff like that and there's only 8 or so wrestlers you can get...Roman will be one of them. You can get a Roman shirt, hat, vest, keychain, dog leash...then after using the bathroom wipe your ass with Roman Reigns toilet paper. If it's that time of the month, I'm sure you can get some Big Dog tampons too. Lets say Roman kept all that, but then Dean Ambrose, AJ Styles, and Daniel Bryan also had all of those same items. Would he still be #1? I highly doubt it. What helps Reigns’s merch sales more than anything is that his stuff would almost certainly always be at the merch table at the actual shows. That’s likely what gives the top sellers that boost over those who primarily get their sales from the website. This too. I'm sure his merch outnumbers anyone else's at the table. It's something else they used to do with Cena.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 28, 2018 1:36:49 GMT -5
Another big issue with the merch numbers is that the dude has main evented four back-to-back Manias, is a three time world champion, and has had the machine behind him every waking moment aside from a few short injury periods. And now he gets the #1 spot? Are you kidding me? That's not a success story. That's not proof they made the right choice in making everything about Roman. Imagine trying to apply that to John Cena and him finally outselling The Rock in merchandise in the year 2009. That's bad.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 28, 2018 1:42:40 GMT -5
Another big issue with the merch numbers is that the dude has main evented four back-to-back Manias, is a three time world champion, and has had the machine behind him every waking moment aside from a few short injury periods. And now he gets the #1 spot? Are you kidding me? That's not a success story. That's not proof they made the right choice in making everything about Roman. Imagine trying to apply that to John Cena and him finally outselling The Rock in merchandise in the year 2009. That's bad. YEah... he finally beat Cena after he hasn't been around in like 5 months... and really he hasn't been full time in over like a year... and he hasn't been THE MAN in like 4.... not exactly a rousing success... not to mention since he hasn't been around Cena hasn't had any new merch in a while so they probably aren't stocking or advertising it. Especially as the original ROman was the #2 merch seller pointed out... Cena Dwarfed him... but 3+ were all right behind Roman so it wasn't some overwhelming majority...
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Aug 28, 2018 1:51:05 GMT -5
Problem is that at this point, not many people are going to agree. A lot of the rest are going to be calling for the writers to be thrown into the streets and for Roman to be instantly future endeavored, blackballed from the entire industry, and eternally Benoited from the history books. And they won't get what they want, obviously, but it won't stop them from demanding it. But at the same time you're taking the most hyperbolic voice in the argument--a minority even in the "Call it a failure and give up, he sucks" camp of criticizing Roman--and it might be 'a lot' by sheer number of people involved across a fandom of millioons, but saying "not many people are going to agree" is a pretty big leap. The majority opinion is not that Roman should be thrown out into the street and I don't think it's really helping anyone's case to talk about it like it is. Also this... no one is saying Roman should be fired, beaten and forced to live on the street for the rest of his life.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 28, 2018 1:52:37 GMT -5
But at the same time you're taking the most hyperbolic voice in the argument--a minority even in the "Call it a failure and give up, he sucks" camp of criticizing Roman--and it might be 'a lot' by sheer number of people involved across a fandom of millioons, but saying "not many people are going to agree" is a pretty big leap. The majority opinion is not that Roman should be thrown out into the street and I don't think it's really helping anyone's case to talk about it like it is. Also this... no one is saying Roman should be fired, beaten and forced to live on the street for the rest of his life. Like I'm sure there's a Youtube commenter somewhere saying he is, but that's definitely not the majority of things.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Aug 28, 2018 2:08:38 GMT -5
One weird thing I just realised about Roman - he obviously does have fans in every city, but I don't think the people that want to cheer him are as passionate as the people that want to boo him. I do wonder how that effects his reactions.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Aug 28, 2018 2:24:51 GMT -5
Another big issue with the merch numbers is that the dude has main evented four back-to-back Manias, is a three time world champion, and has had the machine behind him every waking moment aside from a few short injury periods. And now he gets the #1 spot? Are you kidding me? That's not a success story. That's not proof they made the right choice in making everything about Roman. Imagine trying to apply that to John Cena and him finally outselling The Rock in merchandise in the year 2009. That's bad. Wasn't Rusev the number one merch seller at one point too? Maybe that was just on Smackdown, but I remember seeing at one point his shirts were outselling just about everyone And WWE rewarded Rusev by basically making him an undercard joke So Sales don't make a star in WWE's eyes, nepotism does, and blanket statements.
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Post by CubsFan71 on Aug 28, 2018 2:28:45 GMT -5
Not really no. His reactions vary, he has fans but it's apparent he isn't a top guy and hasn't been for years. He can be a fine competitor and on the mic, issue is, what they feed him is garbage, his matches are all the same, and he's literally won EVERYTHING, so there is nothing more for him to do, and he's developed absolutely zero off of that. He's not really over, he's a failed project Vince won't admit has failed, and other talents have suffered because of it and will continue to. Its the opposite. He is the top guy, and has clearly been for years now. You are making up things that aren't there because you don't like him. He is very obviously over and that shows week to week. Exactly how delusional are you? I mean have you been paying attention the last four years? Like AT ALL?? That heat he gets? That’s not good heat. That’s “we hate you, now go the f*** away” heat. That’s X-Pac heat on steroids. He is not over. Not at all. People have literally left a PPV arena early just so they didn’t have to watch his match. The WWE mutes the crowd at a Raw or a ppv so the audience at home doesn’t hear how hated Roman is. If Vince could find a way, he’d mute the home viewing audience as well. I’ve been watching wrestling since I was in grade school and cannot recall a wrestler who was more legit universally hated than Roman reigns. Not even John Cena. Even at his most hated, Cena still had a divided crowd. No. Roman Reigns is not over and we don’t have to make shit up to prove it. But you go ahead and have your delusion.
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Post by rocnsoc88 on Aug 28, 2018 2:57:37 GMT -5
Roman is over in terms of getting a response which is all they want at this point Dude.....with respect, you’re drinking the corporate Kool-aid. WWE clearly is NOT happy with the hostile crowd reactions since they are so consistently and desperately trying to get him cheered. There’s simply no other way to interpret the ways that they mute the crowd mics, zoom in on only the fans with the pro-Roman signs in the crowd, the ways that they have even the heel announcers fall all over themselves to shower him with praise, and the ways that the booking constantly associates him with babyface acts who ARE actually over as a transparent way to get him cheered in any context. “Any reaction is a good reaction” is a bullshit narrative that WWE has been pushing because they're too stubborn and embarrassed to admit that Roman isn’t over like they want him to be, and anyone who says otherwise is easily duped and not paying attention.
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Post by spagett on Aug 28, 2018 3:08:50 GMT -5
When they eventually do the big Roman Reigns vs Daniel Bryan feud, I know they had a one off match a few years ago but I'm talking about a proper rivalry, do you think the WWE are so incredibly dense that they'd try and turn Daniel Bryan heel for it?
I think if Cena wasn't injured in 2013 and the Cena/Bryan feud continued after Summerslam they'd have turned Bryan heel so I could see them trying that with Reigns/Bryan.
That would be hilarious to watch.
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Post by Final Countdown Jones on Aug 28, 2018 3:12:43 GMT -5
Another big issue with the merch numbers is that the dude has main evented four back-to-back Manias, is a three time world champion, and has had the machine behind him every waking moment aside from a few short injury periods. And now he gets the #1 spot? Are you kidding me? That's not a success story. That's not proof they made the right choice in making everything about Roman. Imagine trying to apply that to John Cena and him finally outselling The Rock in merchandise in the year 2009. That's bad. Wasn't Rusev the number one merch seller at one point too? Maybe that was just on Smackdown, but I remember seeing at one point his shirts were outselling just about everyone And WWE rewarded Rusev by basically making him an undercard joke So Sales don't make a star in WWE's eyes, nepotism does, and blanket statements. No, that was a blatant misreporting from f***ing wrestlingnews.co, which isn't even allowed on here anymore because it's just a new site for the Sportskeeda dipshit to make stuff up on. The real story was first that a Rusev Day shirt was the top selling shirt on the site for a brief period, and then after, that the Rusev Day calendar was one of the top selling items and sold out like immediately, so WWE ordered a restock of twice the initial inventory to keep up with the demand. Rusev was never the #1 seller by actual total sales volume, he just had the highest selling individual item for all of like a week maybe. Still don't think that deserved him getting added to the Mania match just to take the f***ing fall for Jinder, it doesn't feel like they've capitalized on him very much at all, and his strong merch sales with no push certainly indicated there was f***ing something there, but he was never in as high a place as was reported by some.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Aug 28, 2018 3:18:36 GMT -5
Roman's dominance at the top is actually longer than Triple H's Reign of Terror. Roman's also 33 years old too. He'll be doing this for at least 10 more years if he stays healthy. It just makes you wonder how many people will be sacrificed before Romey Rome sits the boots down. It's not even Roman's fault in this case, hell not even the writers either. It's all Vince and the officials. I've seen what the writers say about the company, some current writers even make comments towards things. One writer I always hear on a podcast and every once in a while he makes comments towards things. They know what fans want. They're just deadlocked as to what they can do and what they can't do. Some shit's just stupid though. Becky's turn is obviously stupid. Strowman's turn is dumb too. Vince and these officials don't get it. Like, this man didn't even face Reigns in a match before he decided to turn. He basically bitched out and decided he needed 2 friends before testing himself. Shield's too strong. It makes you wonder how long he's been planning this because the guy was acting dumb at Summerslam, he was acting dumb on Raw and now he realized he did this. That's Strowman after that triple powerbomb last week. Dude was having nightmares of seeing those Ryback videos after 1 attack. They shook this man's soul. This man was screaming at night like he had dreams of seeing Biggie without his glasses lmao. I say Ro-Man's in Da hooouuse I say Ro-Man's in Da hooouuse I say Ro-Man's in Da how-oh-ow-oh-ow-oh-ooouse Watch ya mooouuff! This should have been his first promo after he won. That's all I have add.
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Post by Ryushinku on Aug 28, 2018 3:54:18 GMT -5
The sun is indeed hot and water wet.
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Post by MAD TITAN on Aug 28, 2018 3:54:40 GMT -5
We're in the John Cena paradigm again, except with an even worse John Cena.
At least both eras are comparable to me, they both made me turn the product off completely.
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Post by mcstoklasa on Aug 28, 2018 4:41:02 GMT -5
Round peg square hole
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on Aug 28, 2018 5:00:33 GMT -5
Another big issue with the merch numbers is that the dude has main evented four back-to-back Manias, is a three time world champion, and has had the machine behind him every waking moment aside from a few short injury periods. And now he gets the #1 spot? Are you kidding me? That's not a success story. That's not proof they made the right choice in making everything about Roman. Imagine trying to apply that to John Cena and him finally outselling The Rock in merchandise in the year 2009. That's bad. YEah... he finally beat Cena after he hasn't been around in like 5 months... and really he hasn't been full time in over like a year... and he hasn't been THE MAN in like 4.... not exactly a rousing success... not to mention since he hasn't been around Cena hasn't had any new merch in a while so they probably aren't stocking or advertising it. Especially as the original ROman was the #2 merch seller pointed out... Cena Dwarfed him... but 3+ were all right behind Roman so it wasn't some overwhelming majority... And during Cena's rise, he was moving merchandise left and right. Cena was chosen by fans to the be the WWE Champion, it's only when WWE took away the rap character, had him say insults like Y2Cheap, and gave him Superman booking did fans revolt. Cena merch was selling out when WWE didn't have plans to make him the top guy. It's just ridiculous that they refuse to turn Roman heel, or give anybody else the spot as top guy. You've got Braun, Seth, Dean, Finn, New Day, Rusev, Bryan, and AJ, all over enough to be the top guy as faces, and fans would be more than cool with it. Hell, they listened to the fans on New Day. They were heels, fans loved them, they became one of the most popular acts, so the WWE turned them face, and have been thankful for it due to all the merchandise they move.
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Post by benstudd on Aug 28, 2018 5:11:46 GMT -5
Just watched the turn on You Tube. Dean just returned and already is a big goof sacrificed for Roman.
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Post by thirteen3 on Aug 28, 2018 5:31:35 GMT -5
STOP. WATCHING.
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