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Post by Perd on Sept 10, 2018 14:18:14 GMT -5
This show should just be three hours of Becky beating the shit out of Charlotte. No “dream matches”. Just an extended, cathartic ass whoopin’.
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Post by "Magic" Mark Hurr on Sept 10, 2018 14:51:05 GMT -5
6ix9ine vs. Offset in a "Treyway STOOPID Street Fight" match for Survivor Series. Quavo and Takeoff in the background about to pounce like The Shield when Joe Budden runs from the back with a stapplegun Fixed for muchdankedness
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Post by ryanjoste on Sept 10, 2018 14:54:22 GMT -5
I swear I just saw a report that tickets where selling fast ALways take what Meltz says awith a grain of salt because he throws as much BS at the wall in the hopes of it sticking as he actually reports facts.
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Post by ryanjoste on Sept 10, 2018 14:55:28 GMT -5
If you must involve the Bellas, throw them in a tag match with someone. And they have an opponent that people have been talking about them facing for a couple of years. Bellas vs Iconic Duo is right there. Since the Iconic Duo debut in WWE, people always said "We're going to get them vs Bellas." Just do that damn match. Actually, I would put the IIconics up against LayCool. The storyline writes itself.
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Post by ryanjoste on Sept 10, 2018 14:56:34 GMT -5
It's almost as if women's wrestling isn't a draw... You are so wrong. It's just the card, the weather, a weak market, holiday weekend, oversaturation, sexism, white after Labor Day, bad arena, etc, etc, etc. NYC Metro is a weak market?
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Post by ryanjoste on Sept 10, 2018 14:58:53 GMT -5
Want to know what the problem is? Aside from the weak card, let's take a look shall we: September 16th - Hell in a Cell October 6th - Super Show-Down October 28th - WWE Evolution November 18th - Survivor Series Yeah, your "historic event" doesn't have any breathing room for the rest of your shows, WWE. Oversaturating your PPVs like this does nothing but hurt overall ticket sales in the long run. Super Showdown is in Australia. That isn't going to stop people here in the US from buying tickets to go to Evolution because they certainly aren't going to fly all the away to Australia to see that. So, you basically still have the once a month show.
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Post by Mid-Carder on Sept 10, 2018 15:12:20 GMT -5
Obviously not enough Stephanie.
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Post by Tenshigure on Sept 10, 2018 15:14:37 GMT -5
Super Showdown is in Australia. That isn't going to stop people here in the US from buying tickets to go to Evolution because they certainly aren't going to fly all the away to Australia to see that. So, you basically still have the once a month show. Counterpoint: WWE is still having a "WWE Supershow" in Asheville, NC with the male talent on the same day as WWE Evolution. While it may not be a PPV, it would still affect viewers and potential tickets for those who would've flown to NY to see the show. They're stacking the deck against their own talent no matter how you cut it, whether it's ticket sales or WWE network views. I wouldn't be surprised if they did this intentionally to try to make this a 'one-time thing' to appease those who voiced their concerns about the first KSA show (and also the reason why the KSA show isn't being aired on the network).
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Post by SCCB Was Told To Do Steroids on Sept 10, 2018 15:27:07 GMT -5
Wanna sell tickets faster? "Be careful with me."
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Post by MrElijah on Sept 10, 2018 15:56:06 GMT -5
Quavo and Takeoff in the background about to pounce like The Shield when Joe Budden runs from the back with a chair Then that leads to 6ix9ine and DJ Akademiks vs. Quavo and Takeoff at Royal Rumble for the tag belts. 50 Cent guest refs. Charlemagne Tha God: Y'know, Cole, I was talking to Cardi earlier and she told me she wasn't here to make friends but to put hands and feet on Nicki's ass.
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Post by chazraps on Sept 10, 2018 16:00:05 GMT -5
Meltzer needs to stop talking about women. Or, maybe this forum needs to quit whining about everything Meltzer says. If ticket sales are weak, then ticket sales are weak. Meltzer has a history of poorly formulating words about women in his coverage. He needs to not do it at all. Obligation is on him.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 16:15:32 GMT -5
Or, maybe this forum needs to quit whining about everything Meltzer says. If ticket sales are weak, then ticket sales are weak. Meltzer has a history of poorly formulating words about women in his coverage. While that's true, it's completely irrelevant to this topic. Meltzer in this instance didn't say anything insulting or awkward. This is the same type of reporting he's done countless times about upcoming wrestling shows. He didn't say ticket sales are a disaster or cite it as evidence that women can't draw. He just said it's not a hot ticket, which it isn't because if it was the show would be sold out by now. Let's be honest, if this was a typical PPV and Meltzer reported the same exact thing, this thread would be 20 pages long and full of people tripping over themselves to call Vince an out of touch old man who needs to retire because WWE is now struggling to sell tickets for a PPV in their #1 market.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Sept 10, 2018 16:25:48 GMT -5
I don't think Meltzer has the power to make ticket sales not happen just by saying that sales are slower than the average PPV. They're not going to sell any faster if he doesn't say it. I doubt anybody who was planning on attending is going to change their mind just because "Meltzer Said". Disregarding stories to fit a narrative, how is that beneficial for equality? This isn't Dave Meltzer picking on the women, if this were Summerslam, Wrestlemania, any show of any significance, Dave is going to talk about the ticket sales. Slow ticket sales aren't even indicative of the women failing as much as it is WWE not promoting them properly or putting together better matches. I imagine business will probably pick up when a Ronda match is announced and maybe some more impressive matches get booked, but I don't see how Dave is in the wrong simply pointing out the reality of the situation right now. I don't think it's helpful to women in wrestling to move goal posts for them. This post is incredible. First you appeal to authority (yourself), then completely undermine your own credibility by saying you can't be trusted to report things accurately because, in your own words, your political biases are so strong you'd sacrifice your own ethics to them.You even said you'd intentionally not report on slow ticket sales, even if it's accurate information, because the show's public image is more important. That is quite the admission. It seems like everyone wants to crucify Meltz as quickly as possible even if he didn't do anything to warrant it. Too much aggressive posturing. It is perfectly fine to report on accurate information, even if it's detrimental to the event. This happens all the time with gimicks and storylines and even matches themselves not going over well and we hear about how it blew up in WWE's face and Vince is now pissed because of insert reason here. Nothing par from the course here. To suggest however, that we ignore these things, or outright not report on them, well , that isn't equality at all. That's preferential treatment. Okay, let's try to address all three of these at once, because particularly this last reply is in response to me actually trying to walk this shit back. If it's worth anything - bearing in mind this isn't a view I'm standing by - my initial impulse wasn't a 'f*** Dave, he hates women'; he's shown recently that he often has quite problematic views about women, but that wasn't what this was about. Wrestling is a show; more than any other show is. It's so much about front. WCW actually sued the WWF during the Monday Night War for digitally altering footage of a sign outside a sold out show saying tickets are still available. Now obviously Meltz isn't bullshitting about sales being slow like the WWF was in the 90s, but I felt like if the right other news outlet catches this being reported, it could have had a knock-on effect on the sales. 'If other people don't want to go to this show, why should I?' Obviously Meltz's sphere of influence isn't big enough to make this even remotely likely. As far as equality for the women - I am absolutely in favour of giving them an extra push when we're still as far from equal respect in wrestling for men and women as we are. The first post following either my initial reply, or my second, I forget which, was someone saying 'it's almost as if women can't draw.' This was the other thing that I thought Meltz could have an influence on. Wrestling newz is very, very slippery even by news standards, even someone as generally reliable as Dave Meltzer is. This one article saying Evolution hasn't sold as quickly as expected now could be used to support the 'women can't draw' attitude. Shit, now they have some facts to back it up. Again, not necessarily very likely (or even if it's likely, almost certainly wouldn't have much of an influence) but given how often women are made to start from behind in every level of society in Westernised nations at least, I've got a bit of a short fuse when it comes to anything like this, so I jumped to expecting bullshit almost immediately, which wasn't anything to do with Meltzer himself. And as far as inequality giving way to equality, that's the one part of what I was saying that I absolutely stand by. We're only half a decade removed from women getting a three-minute piss break match, built around high-school standard, Mean Girls-esque angles with a roster that's mostly models that can barely work. The fact that there is an existing viewpoint that women can't draw is an indication of how much women have been second-class in this industry for as long as they have. Men got to own 95% of every card for the past what, forty, fifty years? I know Mae and Moolah drew among others but I don't know if they'd be main eventers over men, so it's at least since then, if not going further back. Men have had that unfair advantage this entire time. I'm not saying give women five decades of being pushed more than men, but hell, given that every single other PPV this entire year is still 75-80% men's matches, given that they're booking shows in Saudi Arabia where women can't perform at all, I think Women's Evolution deserves every extra bit of help it can get to change the minds of the people who still think women's wrestling is bullshit. Plenty of people on here, including at least some of those rolling their eyes at me, clearly appreciate women's wrestling and would pay to see it. But unfortunately, you guys aren't the problem in that regard. I hope I've walked my earlier posts back enough to not have irreparably made an asshole out of myself to half the damn forum. Anyway, this is straying way off topic and I've no desire to derail this thread any further. Regardless of ticket sales, I am hyped as f*** for this show, and I hope it sells out and manages to be a new dawn for women's wrestling in WWE.
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Post by Widow's Peak on Sept 10, 2018 16:34:16 GMT -5
The show doesn't seem to be an instant sell-out, but it will probably do fine. I think there are a lot of people using "slow ticket sales" to justify their own narratives about WWE or women's wrestling in general or finding some way to blame it all on Charlotte. I think its hard to judge the card at this point since WWE is spending more time promoting other things and we probably won't get an earnest push until October.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 10, 2018 16:41:05 GMT -5
Gotta be honest, that’s way more than I assumed they’d sell.
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Post by Hit Girl on Sept 10, 2018 16:44:23 GMT -5
It's because the poster sucks. If it had more butterflies on it, more tickets would be sold.
This should be the logo...
🦋🦋🦋evolution🦋🦋🦋
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Post by Perd on Sept 10, 2018 16:45:19 GMT -5
I don’t have an issue with Meltzer reporting about this. It’s wrestling news and that’s how he makes his living. When the Peyton Royce thing happened, my thought was “Dave, stick to news/rumors and match reviews. No one wants to hear your thoughts on the appearance of anyone, no matter their sex or gender.” Here, he simply stating that ticket sales aren’t as strong as the usually are. Never does he say that sales are slow because it’s a show built exclusively around women.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2018 17:32:10 GMT -5
Need more Roman Reigns on that PPV. Everyone know he the greatest draw ever in Sport Entertainment history!
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Post by bearned on Sept 10, 2018 17:46:31 GMT -5
This is in no way a criticism of the female wrestlers themselves but the way this has been booked so far hasn’t exactly been great. Also it’s asking a lot to sell out an arena when there are maybe a half a dozen ‘big’ names on the card and the rest struggle to get tv time most weeks.
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Post by Toilet Paper Roll on Sept 10, 2018 18:22:22 GMT -5
Women’s wrestling isn’t as popular as men’s wrestling. It’s not shocking anybody.
If it were they’d have their own TV show twice a week.
That being said they’re not jello wrestling and fighting for the right to be naked, so WWE is going in the right direction.
If you have disposable income and are going to travel to a PPV this fall it’s probably not going to be Evolution.
They’re trying to put together a good card, but you can only drag so many legends out of the mothballs so often.
I think they’d be happy at the sales. 7k is pretty good since a quick glance at The ticket sites they’re not selling the much cheaper than HIAC
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