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Post by schma on Nov 13, 2018 23:46:56 GMT -5
I'm down with Bryan as champion but they're putting him vs Brock Lesnar? That's disconcerting. He's no Nia Jax but should they really be trusting him with someone like Daniel Bryan?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:46:59 GMT -5
Felt to me like Bryan was still living off 2013-14. It was definitely a special time, but now he has something to sink his teeth into and I'm really interested.
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Post by EoE: Well There's Your Problem on Nov 13, 2018 23:47:11 GMT -5
Bryan, Becky, Ambrose, Nakamura, Orton. Funny how these popular stars from 2016 (Nakamura was in NXT) all end up as heels in 2018 lol. Although to be fair, only Nakamura and maybe Orton have definitively stalled out because of that. Jury is still out on Bryan since that JUST happened, Ambrose is a bit shaky after one promo but once the feud starts in earnest things could pick up and Lynch... well, we all saw what happened there. With Nakamura, people generally liked the schtick, but he couldn’t win the big one so he settled back to the less big one and the part-time schedule that comes with. Orton... the body mutilation stuff bought him some time, but he’s clearly settled back into the regular heel Orton routine now.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 13, 2018 23:48:15 GMT -5
God I am so freaking sick of every single WWE heel turn's immediate followup being, "I don't owe you an explanation!" It's so goddamn lazy and repetitive. I don't think that's the case. Bryan looked DIRECTLY at the belt. And the belt is all the explanation he needs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2018 23:49:11 GMT -5
Bryan, Becky, Ambrose, Nakamura, Orton. Funny how these popular stars from 2016 (Nakamura was in NXT) all end up as heels in 2018 lol. Although to be fair, only Nakamura and maybe Orton have definitively stalled out because of that. Jury is still out on Bryan since that JUST happened, Ambrose is a bit shaky after one promo but once the feud starts in earnest things could pick up and Lynch... well, we all saw what happened there. With Nakamura, people generally liked the schtick, but he couldn’t win the big one so he settled back to the less big one and the part-time schedule that comes with. Orton... the body mutilation stuff bought him some time, but he’s clearly settled back into the regular heel Orton routine now. Yeah Orton needs to do something else now. I expect him to pull some of AJ's hair out near WM season. Also I just remembered that Vince could be setting the stage for SDL next yeah so this is pretty interesting.
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Post by TheMediocreWarrior on Nov 13, 2018 23:52:43 GMT -5
I like the idea of Daniel Bryan being a heel for a while. They already did the Bryan/Miz feud to death these last few months, and it's a pretty neat twist given that a title change before Survivor Series was unexpected.
With that said, Daniel Bryan either needs to cheat to beat Brock or get himself disqualified. Having him get squashed by Lesnar will kill his momentum dead after only five days. Given WWE's decision making, that's probably what will happen.
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Post by Allie Kitsune on Nov 13, 2018 23:54:36 GMT -5
I will say this.
When Bryan grabbed AJ's arms, I'm EXTREMELY surprised he didn't do the Kamigoye.
And then he grabbed AJ's arms again, and STILL didn't do the Kamigoye.
That's some pretty amazing self-control.
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Post by Sparkybob on Nov 13, 2018 23:55:38 GMT -5
I'm down with Bryan as champion but they're putting him vs Brock Lesnar? That's disconcerting. He's no Nia Jax but should they really be trusting him with someone like Daniel Bryan? They need something to sell the PPV
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Post by Tiger Millionaire on Nov 14, 2018 0:00:06 GMT -5
He could cut a Can Dewey type promo except with his wife.
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Post by The Kevstaaa on Nov 14, 2018 0:02:05 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan needed to be willing to do whatever it takes to win the big one. Even if it was something he wouldn't have previously considered.
Miz was right. Miz is God.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Nov 14, 2018 0:03:15 GMT -5
Another thing, and I know two rights don't make a wrong, but two weeks ago didn't AJ tell Bryan to his face that he intentionally attacked him during their tag match?
AJ, you're a jerk.
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Post by thetower52 on Nov 14, 2018 0:04:19 GMT -5
AJs poor balls
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 14, 2018 0:06:06 GMT -5
I hate it. It's a f*** you. To whom? His fans? Giving the guy the belt is an odd way to say f*** you to his fans. It's a f*** you from Vince McMahon to anyone who thinks the good guys should win. To anyone who wanted the catharsis of seeing Bryan climb the mountaintop again without going against his convictions.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:06:35 GMT -5
Trust this f***ing company to turn their most over, most likeable wrestler heel.This is the same company that wouldn’t turn Cena and Reigns despite everyone booing them week in, week out. I’m all for Bryan being Champion but come on. If you’re gonna turn one of them, turn AJ. He was the one who was way better as a heel. I hope this means Bryan goes back to his old 2011 look. Not sure how Bryan was the most over likeable wrestler they had when his cheers have decreased and you had people literally booing him in the middle of that match. Yall really gotta explain why you think Bryan is still their most over guy because from what I'm hearing Rollins, AJ, Ronda, Becky and Strowman get more cheers than he does. Considering how his return has went, you can’t really blame him. For starters, he was lumped into a heatless feud with a chump that nobody cared about in Big Cass. This dragged on for months. Then they reformed Team Hell No for no reason WHATSOEVER. The crowd just don’t care about Kane anymore. Thankfully this ended quickly but it was probably scheduled to go on for months until Kane got injured suddenly. Then we finally got The Miz feud we’ve all been wanting.. granted it wasn’t at Wrestlemania but still. It had potential...... until they added their f***ing wives into it. As soon as that happened, nobody gave a damn about The Miz feud anymore. This should have been the Wrestlemania WWE Title feud. They blew it. I still think he’s easily the most likable wrestler on the roster. The fans will refuse to boo him once again. And you know what’s annoying about this? Bryan’s cheers May have reduced a little but he isn’t getting booed out of the damn building week after week like Cena and Roman were. The fans were demanding those two to turn heel and Vince turned a blind eye to it. Instead he turns Daniel f***ing Bryan and I’m gonna go out on a limb and say nobody was begging for a Daniel Bryan heel turn. He is probably near the bottom of the list of guys who needed to turn heel infact.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 14, 2018 0:07:16 GMT -5
To whom? His fans? Giving the guy the belt is an odd way to say f*** you to his fans. Yea, what fan says don't give my guy the top title The title by itself is meaningless. It's the story that matters.
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Post by mistery on Nov 14, 2018 0:08:43 GMT -5
So it was posted elsewhere online, but here are the top male babyfaces and top male heels on Smackdown after tonight:
Faces:
- AJ Styles - Jeff Hardy - Rey Mysterio - Jeff Hardy
Heels:
- Daniel Bryan - Randy Orton - The Miz - Samoa Joe - The Big Show - Shinsuke Nakamura
So yeah, its a pretty bad balance. And just for reference, the female side isn't much better, except with the opposite problem (and more pronounced).
Faces:
- Becky - Charlotte - Asuka - Carmella - Naomi - Lana - Sonya (although one could argue she's a tweener)
Heels:
- Mandy Rose - Peyton Royce - Billie Kay
Basically what I'm saying is Smackdown DESPERATELY needs new blood. If I were WWE, I would call up Alister Black to fill a babyface slot on the men's side of things, since he's likely done in NXT after War Games. As for the females, they just need an actual credible female heel. And out of all the names I listed above, Asuka fits the bill and could use it as well. Have her take Team Smackdown to victory at Survivor Series, and then get a title shot as a reward. Then have her beat Becky through nefarious means at TLC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:10:08 GMT -5
Not sure how Bryan was the most over likeable wrestler they had when his cheers have decreased and you had people literally booing him in the middle of that match. Yall really gotta explain why you think Bryan is still their most over guy because from what I'm hearing Rollins, AJ, Ronda, Becky and Strowman get more cheers than he does. Considering how his return has went, you can’tt really blame him. Let’s just take a look at it... For starters, he was lumped into a heatless feud with a chump that nobody cared about in Big Cass. This dragged on for months. Then they reformed Team Hell No for no reason WHATSOEVER. The crowd just don’t care about Kane anymore. Thankfully this ended quickly but it was probably scheduled to go on for months until Kane got injured suddenly. Then we finally got The Miz feud we’ve all been wanting.. granted it wasn’t at Wrestlemania but still. It had potential...... until they added their f***ing wives into it. As soon as that happened, nobody gave a damn about The Miz feud anymore. This should have been the Wrestlemania WWE Title feud. They blew it. I still think he’s easily the most likable wrestler on the roster. The fans will refuse to boo him once again. And you know what’s annoying about this? Bryan’s cheers May have reduced a little but he isn’t getting booed out of the damn building week after week like Cena and Roman were. The fans were demanding those two to turn heel and Vince turned a blind eye to it. Instead he turns Daniel f***ing Bryan and I’m gonna go out on a limb and say nobody was begging for a Daniel Bryan heel turn. He is probably near the bottom of the list. Hey man, I'm not saying I don't get it. I get why his cheers decreased lol. They definitely didn't do him any favors with his booking but it happened. Also yeah I agree with the Cena and Reigns thing, absolutely. Personally if there's 1 person who was begging for a heel turn it was Bryan himself. He loves being a heel way more than being a face. Heels also get way more freedom which is a plus for him. I say do this for a year and see what happens but at the end of the day he got over by being a heel. Doing this will just continue to get him over to the level he needs to be at once more.
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Post by Old Jack Burton on Nov 14, 2018 0:10:17 GMT -5
The timing was weird and yes, there have been a lot of these turns lately. However, I like this one. Bryan returned and couldn't get big wins. He struggled against Cass, lost to Miz (only beat him in lucky fashion) and couldn't beat AJ. It was getting to him. Things changed around him. He had to do something different. This was it. The story shouldn't have been shit to begin with. If anything the better story here would be that even turning heel doesn't work and Bryan would have to dig to to find something deeper within himself to win. He'd have to win for something other than his own personal desire.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2018 0:13:10 GMT -5
The timing was weird and yes, there have been a lot of these turns lately. However, I like this one. Bryan returned and couldn't get big wins. He struggled against Cass, lost to Miz (only beat him in lucky fashion) and couldn't beat AJ. It was getting to him. Things changed around him. He had to do something different. This was it. The story shouldn't have been shit to begin with. If anything the better story here would be that even turning heel doesn't work and Bryan would have to dig to to find something deeper within himself to win. He'd have to win for something other than his own personal desire. You're just describing Bryan being an underdog again which we've constantly seen since he came to the main roster.
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Post by HMARK Center on Nov 14, 2018 0:14:20 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't get why people watch this company.
Not to just parrot Alvarez, but the simple reality with WWE is that you'll next to never get a satisfying ending to anything, especially not if the ending you're expecting is a heroic one. Fans are expected to leave just about every show either upset, disappointed, swerved, basically anything that isn't "content and satisfied". Not even Wrestlemania accomplishes that, outside of WM 30.
It's nice if this turn has at least been built up a little better than all the others, but it's pretty clear just based on WWE's track record that it isn't leading to something that will ultimately deliver a more satisfying payoff, because WWE doesn't do satisfying and isn't focused on pay offs.
Doesn't mean it'll be awful television or won't produce good material (Bryan is too damn great at what he does not to make some gold out of whatever he's given), but that catharsis and satisfaction ain't likely showing up any time soon.
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